Would I like for the Bears to have Garappolo, yes. Do I want the Bears to trade for him, no. Maybe if all they had to do is give up a second round pick and that's it but other wise no. If they would have to give up multiple picks for an unknown it makes zero sense. I'd rather use only one pick on a rookie QB.
He's under contract for 2017 dirt cheap so the new money would come in 2018 after having started in 2017. So we do get to sample the product before committing major dollars to it and we'd have traded Cutler so his contract won't be on the books.
I piped on this is another thread, but one more time. Unless Jimmy has the worst agent in the NFL, any trade is going to involve a new contract before the 2017 season starts. He is not going to be uprooted and thrust in a starting quarterback in a new system for 700K and still staring down free agency when its done.
I would bet money on it. Same with Jay Cutler being untradeable.
All I'm saying is that Garappolo hasn't proven shit and I don't want the Bears to pay for an unproven guy just because he's a good guy.
I'm not gun-ho for getting JG but I'm certainly interested and think it's an option worth exploring.
With all due respect, I've read many arguments to the contrary like the above that seem to ignore the fact that a rookie draftee will be:
A) even more "unproven" by far having zero experience in a pro system much less in any actual games and
B) the Bears will have to "pay" heavily for that guy too in terms of a draft pick plus development time.
If the market for Garappolo spirals out of control and the price becomes prohibitive, then by all means walk away but I think Pace would be stupid to not at least make a sincere run at working out a deal.
All I'm saying is that Garappolo hasn't proven shit and I don't want the Bears to pay for an unproven guy just because he's a good guy.
I'm not gun-ho for getting JG but I'm certainly interested and think it's an option worth exploring.
With all due respect, I've read many arguments to the contrary like the above that seem to ignore the fact that a rookie draftee will be:
A) even more "unproven" by far having zero experience in a pro system much less in any actual games and
B) the Bears will have to "pay" heavily for that guy too in terms of a draft pick plus development time.
If the market for Garappolo spirals out of control and the price becomes prohibitive, then by all means walk away but I think Pace would be stupid to not at least make a sincere run at working out a deal.
That does make a lot of sense. And if the guy truly is a solid QB then of course he would be good to have here. One positive is that he will have experience behind a Hall of Fame quarterback, and will have played in a top-tier system. That is an incredible experience for a young guy. We wouldn't be starting from scratch with a draftee who has never played in a pro system.
There are pros and cons. I can see both sides. Still, you wonder if Belichick would let him go if he really is that good.
Here is his original draft profile from NFL.com:
OVERVIEW The Illinois prep started the final eight games of his true freshman season in 2010, completing 124 of 211 passes (58.8 percent) for 1,639 yards with 14 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. Made all 11 starts in 2011, going 217-of-349 for 2,644 with 20 TDs and 14 INTs. Went 331-of-540 (61.3 percent)for 3,823 yards with 31 TDs and 15 INTs in 12 starts in 2012. Named the Walter Payton Award winner, given to top player in FCS, in 2013 after going 375-of-568 (66.0 percent) for 5,050 yards with 53 TDs and nine INTs in 14 contests. Threw for 450 yards and six touchdowns in the Panthers' only regular-season loss, to Northern Illinois. Is one of only two quarterbacks to throw for more than 5,000 yards in a season (Taylor Heinicke, 2012) in FCS history. Was named the Offensive MVP of the East-West Shrine Game. Had eight career rushing touchdowns and a 23-22 record in 45 starts.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Has a very quick trigger and good wrist snap that translates to a smooth throwing motion and clean, compact delivery (no windup). Lightning release quickness. Urgent decision maker. Sells play-action. Athletic enough to slide in the pocket and buy time with his feet while keeping his eyes downfield. Good anticipation -- throws his receivers open. Can change ball speeds and drop it in a bucket. Does not take unnecessary sacks and will dump the ball. Will deliver the ball looking down the barrel of a gun. Tough-minded and poised in the pocket -- can withstand a hit and pop back up. Highly competitive. Smart, respected, vocal team leader. Very durable, experienced, four-year starter. Good football intelligence.
WEAKNESSES Is a tad undersized with small hands and short arms. Uses a three-quarters delivery that could lead to batted balls. Works heavily out of the shotgun in a spread offense, and footwork could require adjustment to working from under center. Does not always feel pressure in the pocket. Does not rip the deep out or drive the ball with high RPMs. Undershoots and often hangs the deep ball. Makes receivers work for the ball downfield, and deep accuracy could stand to improve. Makes a lot of simple, one-look reads and was not heavily challenged by consistent pressure or complex looks in the Ohio Valley Conference.
DRAFT PROJECTION Round 2
BOTTOM LINE A decorated FCS passer, Garoppolo could excite quarterback coaches with his quick delivery, mental make-up and work habits, yet he still needs to prove he can fit the ball into tight windows and do more than carve up soft shells the way he regularly did on his way to a record-breaking performance in college. Possesses the physical tools to eventually earn an NFL starting job in a rhythm passing game with continued refinement but is more of a caretaker than a game changer and will require some patience adapting to the NFL game.
But we should spend a high draft pick on one with this offensive coaching staff (who Fox just announced will all return intact) and a HC who disdains rookie QBs, has never developed one, and resisted drafting Cam Newton when he was HC at Carolina in favor of trying to make Jimmy Clausen better?
That stance got him fired and also gives us some idea of Fox ability to judge QB talent. Hell we'd be better off just keeping Cutler then.
But we should spend a high draft pick on one with this offensive coaching staff (who Fox just announced will all return intact) and a HC who disdains rookie QBs, has never developed one, and resisted drafting Cam Newton when he was HC at Carolina in favor of trying to make Jimmy Clausen better?
That stance got him fired and also gives us some idea of Fox ability to judge QB talent. Hell we'd be better off just keeping Cutler then.
I voted yes, but it is a qualified "yes". With that said, let me make a few points:
1. I am an admitted fan of Garoppolo, so I openly share that, but I would NEVER advocate for someone on the Bears that I did not think would be in the teams interest. I am partially a fan because I live 30 miles from where he played college ball, so I got a lot of local news. By all accounts, he is not just a very damn good QB (at least at that level), but he is an outstanding person and a real leader. The "outstanding person" part doesn't win ball games, but after years of Jay Cutler, it's a nice bonus.
2. As I stated in another thread, I would never give up our top 1st round pick for the guy, no how, no way. However, I would be in favor of any number of other options that could be put together without giving up the farm. Cleveland has two high 1st round picks; if they are in the mix, don't even bother because we can't compete with that. I am in favor of a trade for him if the trade is reasonable and fair, but I AM NOT in favor of giving up too much as the potential is just not a sure thing.
3. I think Garoppolo gives us a much better option than drafting ANY QB in the 2017 draft. If he was coming out this year based on his performance, I think it's very likely he wouldn't even make it to us with the 3rd pick, and if he did, he would likely be a Chicago Bear. Many of you forget how well he did in college and why he was so well thought of coming out. The only reason he lasted to the second round was due to the size of the school he played. You might remember that he played very well in the East-West Shrine game (Offensive MVP) and was then given the opportunity to play in the Senior Bowl when AJ McCarren bowed out. One of the biggest knocks was obviously the spread system that he led at Eastern Illinois, but after his time in the NFL, I think he's learned the pace of the game and playing under Center, which is ANOTHER benefit he has over some of the college kids coming out this year.
4. Stop with the comparisons of Matt Cassel. I get it, I understand. Ya'll think these guys are machines so if one guy is this way or that way, the next guy with certain similar characteristics or backgrounds will be the same or similar. That's just ignorant. They and we are human beings and most of the QB talent is between the ears. I understand and agree with the lack of starts argument, but for the love o God, please don't start with the Matt Cassel comparisons, the only comparison they have is that they both started out in NE and that's it. You wanna compare the two? OK, Cassel was a 7th round pick out of USC and he never started a single game in college. The guy was a career college backup behind Palmer and Leinart. He threw a total of 33 passes in all 4 years at USC. Garoppolo played at Eastern Illinois University (about as far removed from the University of Southern California as one can get) and became the starter where he also thew for over 5,000 yards in a single season (only one other player in FCS history has done that).
Bottom line is that none of us know how he or these kids coming out of the draft will play. It is damned difficult to judge QB talent, mostly because, as I stated above, so much of it is between the ears and you just never know if it's gonna click at this level. There are myriad examples of bust after bust after bust and Jimmy G may be another in a long line of such examples. However, if he's available and we have an opportunity without selling out completely, I think we could do w helluva lot worse and he may just turn out to be pretty damn good. Hell even Matt Cassel went to the Pro-Bowl after he was traded to Kansas City (2010) so he wasn't all bad.
Craig Krenzel is also a great person, a good leader, and in top of that the man is very smart. How did that translate to wins for us or even average QB play?
Oh good Christ I can't believe you even thought to make that comparison let alone put it in print. Go watch Garoppolo's game tapes and then tell me you think he can't play. This is just a ridiculous excuse. It doesn't even come close to a rational thought or reason and feel dumber for having even read it.
All I'm saying is that Garappolo hasn't proven shit and I don't want the Bears to pay for an unproven guy just because he's a good guy.
I'm not gun-ho for getting JG but I'm certainly interested and think it's an option worth exploring.
With all due respect, I've read many arguments to the contrary like the above that seem to ignore the fact that a rookie draftee will be:
A) even more "unproven" by far having zero experience in a pro system much less in any actual games and
B) the Bears will have to "pay" heavily for that guy too in terms of a draft pick plus development time.
If the market for Garappolo spirals out of control and the price becomes prohibitive, then by all means walk away but I think Pace would be stupid to not at least make a sincere run at working out a deal.
I'm not gun-ho for getting JG but I'm certainly interested and think it's an option worth exploring.
With all due respect, I've read many arguments to the contrary like the above that seem to ignore the fact that a rookie draftee will be:
A) even more "unproven" by far having zero experience in a pro system much less in any actual games and
B) the Bears will have to "pay" heavily for that guy too in terms of a draft pick plus development time.
If the market for Garappolo spirals out of control and the price becomes prohibitive, then by all means walk away but I think Pace would be stupid to not at least make a sincere run at working out a deal.
Thank you for some intelligent sober thoughts. I was beginning to think I was back in rehab again listening to drunks rationalize why they drink.
The very idea of trading for Garoppolo only works if the price isn't too steep which is why I posted an entire thread that showed what the #1 and #4 Minny paid for Bradford were actually worth in draft capital points = 812. That's roughly equivalent to a later (20th or lower) 1st round pick or a 2nd and 3rd with maybe a 5th in return or a current 2nd and a future 2nd. Who really knows and we won't until it actually happens....if it happens.
It's not our 1st (2200 points) or even Cleveland's #10 pick (1300 points). It's far less than that if that's NE's asking price and because it came from the mouth of Adam Schefter we don't even know how accurate that is. So for those of you who still believe it means our #3 overall pick and our 4th round pick or anything even close to that thank you for NOT taking time to read and understand the base line info a already gave to base intelligent debate on.
So what I get from this poll is that roughly 80% might actually favor spending the same or far more draft capital on an unproven college QB than a QB whose had some decent development in one of the best offenses in the NFL, who actually has significant pro game tape that can be evaluated, who has been part of a winning tradition both in college and the pros, and who has all or most of the traits we're looking for at QB many of which some say Cutler does not. And you still don't want him huh? Hoo boy.
Well then just who do you want because you're all beginning to sound like my ex with this "don't confuse me with facts my mind's made up" shit. I stopped trying to deal with no win deal years ago so I'll let you all decide.
STRENGTHS Has a very quick trigger and good wrist snap that translates to a smooth throwing motion and clean, compact delivery (no windup). Lightning release quickness. Urgent decision maker. Sells play-action. Athletic enough to slide in the pocket and buy time with his feet while keeping his eyes downfield. Good anticipation -- throws his receivers open. Can change ball speeds and drop it in a bucket. Does not take unnecessary sacks and will dump the ball. Will deliver the ball looking down the barrel of a gun. Tough-minded and poised in the pocket -- can withstand a hit and pop back up. Highly competitive. Smart, respected, vocal team leader. Very durable, experienced, four-year starter. Good football intelligence.