If they've set their sights on moving on from Cutler then hell yes. I don't know what other options they might have in a younger vet QB unless they want to try to sign a guy like Cousins as a UFA who says he wants $23 mil a year. LOL
Cousins is no more a franchise QB than Cutler. Just a lot more expensive even if he only gets $20 mil a year.
I'm 100% convinced John Fox will not risk what could be his final year here on a rookie QB so anyone we draft will play behind whoever his vet flavor of the month is. If it's not Cutler then who? Can he go even 8-8 with Hoyer or Barkley? I dunno but of the two I'd take my chances with Barkley because he might get a little better. Hoyer is worthless for anything other than a CPD flag football team.
If Pace believes he can get a top shelf prospect with his 2nd round pick then I'd say keep Cutler for another year and see what we have in that kid and whatever we get out of Barkley and Shaw. But if not then at least try to make the trade for Garoppolo and then trade Cutler because we can start Jimmy G but not the rookie.
I would not spend the #3 overall pick on a QB period but especially not on one who Fox will resist playing him.
I could stomach the move if we didn't sacrifice the franchise for him in terms of draft picks and a contract but I don't think that will happen. As jamaisvu points out, in addition to sacrificing draft picks we'd (probably) have to sign him to a new contract. For someone who's only played 1.5 games in the NFL, that seems crazy.
Still, Pace has to make his QB move. If he has confidence in Jimmy, pull the trigger.
Post by GrizzlyBear on Dec 29, 2016 10:08:34 GMT -6
I'd do it for a 2nd rd pick in a heartbeat. Maybe I'd consider it for a first rd pick. But since they're gonna ask for multiple picks, my answer is going to be thanks but no thanks.
So no. At this point I'd rather trade a 4th or 5th for Brissett. lol
I voted yes, but it is a qualified "yes". With that said, let me make a few points:
1. I am an admitted fan of Garoppolo, so I openly share that, but I would NEVER advocate for someone on the Bears that I did not think would be in the teams interest. I am partially a fan because I live 30 miles from where he played college ball, so I got a lot of local news. By all accounts, he is not just a very damn good QB (at least at that level), but he is an outstanding person and a real leader. The "outstanding person" part doesn't win ball games, but after years of Jay Cutler, it's a nice bonus.
2. As I stated in another thread, I would never give up our top 1st round pick for the guy, no how, no way. However, I would be in favor of any number of other options that could be put together without giving up the farm. Cleveland has two high 1st round picks; if they are in the mix, don't even bother because we can't compete with that. I am in favor of a trade for him if the trade is reasonable and fair, but I AM NOT in favor of giving up too much as the potential is just not a sure thing.
3. I think Garoppolo gives us a much better option than drafting ANY QB in the 2017 draft. If he was coming out this year based on his performance, I think it's very likely he wouldn't even make it to us with the 3rd pick, and if he did, he would likely be a Chicago Bear. Many of you forget how well he did in college and why he was so well thought of coming out. The only reason he lasted to the second round was due to the size of the school he played. You might remember that he played very well in the East-West Shrine game (Offensive MVP) and was then given the opportunity to play in the Senior Bowl when AJ McCarren bowed out. One of the biggest knocks was obviously the spread system that he led at Eastern Illinois, but after his time in the NFL, I think he's learned the pace of the game and playing under Center, which is ANOTHER benefit he has over some of the college kids coming out this year.
4. Stop with the comparisons of Matt Cassel. I get it, I understand. Ya'll think these guys are machines so if one guy is this way or that way, the next guy with certain similar characteristics or backgrounds will be the same or similar. That's just ignorant. They and we are human beings and most of the QB talent is between the ears. I understand and agree with the lack of starts argument, but for the love o God, please don't start with the Matt Cassel comparisons, the only comparison they have is that they both started out in NE and that's it. You wanna compare the two? OK, Cassel was a 7th round pick out of USC and he never started a single game in college. The guy was a career college backup behind Palmer and Leinart. He threw a total of 33 passes in all 4 years at USC. Garoppolo played at Eastern Illinois University (about as far removed from the University of Southern California as one can get) and became the starter where he also thew for over 5,000 yards in a single season (only one other player in FCS history has done that).
Bottom line is that none of us know how he or these kids coming out of the draft will play. It is damned difficult to judge QB talent, mostly because, as I stated above, so much of it is between the ears and you just never know if it's gonna click at this level. There are myriad examples of bust after bust after bust and Jimmy G may be another in a long line of such examples. However, if he's available and we have an opportunity without selling out completely, I think we could do w helluva lot worse and he may just turn out to be pretty damn good. Hell even Matt Cassel went to the Pro-Bowl after he was traded to Kansas City (2010) so he wasn't all bad.
No, something tells me that Jimmy G would be a bust..
I just have that bad feeling he won't be what fans want to think he will be here. Fox isn't Belichick. We don't have the offense that the New England Patriots surrounded him with. And frankly, we ain't the Patriots.
Belichick seems to be able to plug in anyone with a pulse at QB and get results.
I don't want to mortgage the farm in draft picks to bring this guy in. If Pace can draft well, then let's watch and see if he can get us a QB in the draft.
I could stomach the move if we didn't sacrifice the franchise for him in terms of draft picks and a contract but I don't think that will happen. As jamaisvu points out, in addition to sacrificing draft picks we'd (probably) have to sign him to a new contract. For someone who's only played 1.5 games in the NFL, that seems crazy.
Still, Pace has to make his QB move. If he has confidence in Jimmy, pull the trigger.
He's under contract for 2017 dirt cheap so the new money would come in 2018 after having started in 2017. So we do get to sample the product before committing major dollars to it and we'd have traded Cutler so his contract won't be on the books.
I have no problem trading one pick we'd need to use on a young QB anyway. The only question then would be what's the "to boot" gonna cost us? If it's not rational then no we pass but you can't fish without bait so we should explore it as at least one option that could make a lot of sense.
Great post and info 4d. I think we share a similar view of Jimmy G. I think he is the "real deal" and if he was in this draft he'd be this years Carson Wentz and the first QB off the board in one of the first two picks.
I'm amazed by some of you nervous nellys looking for excuses ranging from not wanting to spend a draft pick and some "too boot" in a later round or future pick for a guy who is maybe the only QB I can see who could come in and best Cutler. Do you want Cutler gone or not is what you should be asking yourselves?
If the price is too high well then obviously we have to pass but we have no idea what that may be and already we have posters waffling looking for reasons not to do it rather than reasons to do it. I don't get the negativity.
Yes, we can draft a QB but with the exception of Trubisky I don't see a fit and he won't start or be there for the price of a 2nd round pick whereas Garoppolo may and can start. Furthermore some of you are putting down Jimmy G who has a tremendous college record and pro game tape (maybe you all should watch that first) but you'd spend a first round pick on a QB whose had only one years starting experience at the college level.
