LOL...well seeing as how I'm not the one who had trouble with the rule of the play...yeah, I can read English. As I said...he never specified WHICH bigger guys they would be. You said you'd put o-lineman out there. Did he say there were going to be o-lineman out there? Again...I said there would be defensive ends/edges who will take the place of corner types on coverage units. I also said if you put offensive lineman out there I would destroy them with my speed guys.
I understand the rules. This is just a red herring that you keep injecting.
He didn’t specify OL, but I don’t doubt that is what he’s talking about. You want big guys on the front7 at the 35 to be offensive linemen, not defensive linemen. Offensive linemen are trained and paid to BLOCK. It would be stupid as hell to ask DL or LB to do much blocking. I am sure you know that, and now you’re just grasping at straws to keep arguing.
How many offensive lineman are on the punt return team? Do they not block people on punt return? And those guys line up closer than they will on this kick off! I'm grasping at zero straws...you're just desperate to try to prove your point...so desperate that you're assuming and claiming a coach who made an ambiguous statement is saying the exact thing you're saying.
I understand the rules. This is just a red herring that you keep injecting.
He didn’t specify OL, but I don’t doubt that is what he’s talking about. You want big guys on the front7 at the 35 to be offensive linemen, not defensive linemen. Offensive linemen are trained and paid to BLOCK. It would be stupid as hell to ask DL or LB to do much blocking. I am sure you know that, and now you’re just grasping at straws to keep arguing.
How many offensive lineman are on the punt return team? Do they not block people on punt return? And those guys line up closer than they will on this kick off! I'm grasping at zero straws...you're just desperate to try to prove your point...so desperate that you're assuming and claiming a coach who made an ambiguous statement is saying the exact thing you're saying.
More deflecting. That is a completely different situation. You have defensive linemen on punt team. Yes, they block, but that is secondary to making sure the opponent doesn’t run for first down (if offensive linemen are there trying to stop them). Also, the onside kick is no longer a viable threat under the new rules.
Do you seriously think Payton intends to use defensive linemen to block on his kickoff return team? That is a rhetorical question. We both know it’s an absurd idea.
How many offensive lineman are on the punt return team? Do they not block people on punt return? And those guys line up closer than they will on this kick off! I'm grasping at zero straws...you're just desperate to try to prove your point...so desperate that you're assuming and claiming a coach who made an ambiguous statement is saying the exact thing you're saying.
More deflecting. That is a completely different situation. You have defensive linemen on punt team. Yes, they block, but that is secondary to making sure the opponent doesn’t run for first down (if offensive linemen are there trying to stop them). Also, the onside kick is no longer a viable threat under the new rules.
Do you seriously think Payton intends to use defensive linemen to block on his kickoff return team? That is a rhetorical question. We both know it’s an absurd idea.
LMAO...I'm deflecting??? Stop projecting dude. Have you ever played special teams in your life? I played linebacker basically my whole career. Didn't play offense since I was a sophomore in HS, and it wasn't the o-line when I did. I was on all the return teams in both HS and college. How could I have done that if I didn't know how to block?!!!! If its so absurd...why are defensive lineman on the kick return team NOW? It's ok to admit you may be wrong.
Post by bearsinhouston on May 14, 2024 20:27:35 GMT -6
ok, so we need a scorecard here. I am not able to understand any of it. As soon as I try, I get deflected. But I am not sure who or what is causing it. It has to be the kicks. Maybe they are being deflected.
More deflecting. That is a completely different situation. You have defensive linemen on punt team. Yes, they block, but that is secondary to making sure the opponent doesn’t run for first down (if offensive linemen are there trying to stop them). Also, the onside kick is no longer a viable threat under the new rules.
Do you seriously think Payton intends to use defensive linemen to block on his kickoff return team? That is a rhetorical question. We both know it’s an absurd idea.
LMAO...I'm deflecting??? Stop projecting dude. Have you ever played special teams in your life? I played linebacker basically my whole career. Didn't play offense since I was a sophomore in HS, and it wasn't the o-line when I did. I was on all the return teams in both HS and college. How could I have done that if I didn't know how to block?!!!! If its so absurd...why are defensive lineman on the kick return team NOW? It's ok to admit you may be wrong.
LMAO, indeed. You think what you did in your amateur career has any relevance? You should know that your namesake played center at Illinois.
Defensive linemen play on punt return team for the reason I stated. It makes no sense to play them on a kickoff return team except to add bodies. Offensive linemen are better blockers (duh).
LMAO...I'm deflecting??? Stop projecting dude. Have you ever played special teams in your life? I played linebacker basically my whole career. Didn't play offense since I was a sophomore in HS, and it wasn't the o-line when I did. I was on all the return teams in both HS and college. How could I have done that if I didn't know how to block?!!!! If its so absurd...why are defensive lineman on the kick return team NOW? It's ok to admit you may be wrong.
LMAO, indeed. You think what you did in your amateur career has any relevance? You should know that your namesake played center at Illinois.
Defensive linemen play on punt return team for the reason I stated. It makes no sense to play them on a kickoff return team except to add bodies. Offensive linemen are better blockers (duh).
How many college linebackers are also playing offensive line today? The answer is ZERO. Really? Offensive lineman are better blockers? Huh. Are they always better blockers? Or are there times where a different body type would be better suited to do the job? I'm going to guess you never played special teams in your life. Do you think strategy in the NFL on kick returns varies so greatly from college? I got news for you...it doesn't. Blocking for a kick return, just like a punt return requires a certain skill set. You have to be able to flip your hips, drop back or in some instances sprint back quickly, change direction quickly and then make contact with a player who is at close to max speed. It's NIGHT AND DAY different than blocking on the line.
Here is NFL special teams coach Darren Rizzi...who also graduated from my HS alma mater, talking about the new rules and what it might mean for personnel: "When you watch the XFL, there are different kinds of body types out there," Rizzi said. "I don't know how much the body types are going to change, some teams may choose to go a little bit bigger and some teams may choose to go a little bit faster."
I guess you better tell the 32 NFL special teams coaches as well as the XFL coaches that they've been doing it wrong all these years, and that it makes no sense to play defensive lineman on the kick return team! Go look at some pictures or video of Devin Hester returning kicks...you'll see plenty of defensive lineman, linebackers, safeties, corners, running backs, fullbacks and tight ends...you won't see any offensive lineman.
LMAO, indeed. You think what you did in your amateur career has any relevance? You should know that your namesake played center at Illinois.
Defensive linemen play on punt return team for the reason I stated. It makes no sense to play them on a kickoff return team except to add bodies. Offensive linemen are better blockers (duh).
How many college linebackers are also playing offensive line today? The answer is ZERO. Really? Offensive lineman are better blockers? Huh. Are they always better blockers? Or are there times where a different body type would be better suited to do the job? I'm going to guess you never played special teams in your life. Do you think strategy in the NFL on kick returns varies so greatly from college? I got news for you...it doesn't. Blocking for a kick return, just like a punt return requires a certain skill set. You have to be able to flip your hips, drop back or in some instances sprint back quickly, change direction quickly and then make contact with a player who is at close to max speed. It's NIGHT AND DAY different than blocking on the line.
Here is NFL special teams coach Darren Rizzi...who also graduated from my HS alma mater, talking about the new rules and what it might mean for personnel: "When you watch the XFL, there are different kinds of body types out there," Rizzi said. "I don't know how much the body types are going to change, some teams may choose to go a little bit bigger and some teams may choose to go a little bit faster."
I guess you better tell the 32 NFL special teams coaches as well as the XFL coaches that they've been doing it wrong all these years, and that it makes no sense to play defensive lineman on the kick return team! Go look at some pictures or video of Devin Hester returning kicks...you'll see plenty of defensive lineman, linebackers, safeties, corners, running backs, fullbacks and tight ends...you won't see any offensive lineman.
I did some more reading and predictions. Belichick agrees with Sean Payton that size is more important than speed under the new rules. But not all offensive linemen are going to have the movement skills, etc. to do this kind of blocking. We agree on that. It’s going to be difficult to execute for the reasons you mention.
The requirements for kickers and returners will be different, too. Strategic kicking is important. They will kick it low to get the ball bouncing around in the landing zone and maybe rolling into end zone. V. Jones has the speed, but he also has stone hands. He’s going to muff some of these kicks.