That's why Burton and Cohen and Shaheen are there. Thats is already covered
Yep. That's exactly why they are thete. And from my perspective, they can add Cam to that list.
So 6mil for 20-30 catches is a good financial investment for you? B/c that's what he's going to get; and that's if Trubs can throw as accurately as Alex Smith and is allowed to throw 500-540 attempts(not completions).
26mil in wr cap space(this year), 31 in cap space(this year) in reciever/Burton cap. Add Cam at 6 mil and that's 37mil. To put this in perspective no other positions touches 20mil currently except the DB's, but that takes all 9 players, and the OL and that's 8 players not 3 WR's and a TE. The DL gets close(currently at 16mil, and if Goldmans new deal is over 6mil it would be 20mil. DB's, OL, DL are all far more important then pass catchers, but we should put more money into WRs; for an extra 20-30 catches; something a rookie could do?
I'll take the 5mil less cap hit for a rookie like Chark, Cobbs, Cain, or Moore, etc etc. There are about 10-15 WR's that will go in rounds 2-5 that could do what Cam will be asked to do in this O for a fraction of a cost; and then be ready to step in when Allen Robinsons contract is up if it's going to cost to much to re sign him.
Come on now. Let's not go picking numbers out of mid air as a guesstimate for how many catches he might have just to back your point. We also have no idea what he may cost yet beyond the $1.9 mil he tendered for.
We have no idea how many he'll get but I'll bet you $20 it's more than 20-30. Care to put up some cash to back your post?
For the record even Bellamy had 24 last year in that Godforsaken offense.
We want Cam, We want Cam, We want Cam, .....but let's not overpay.
Buck Fitty sound about right all you cheapskates?
Who ever wants to over pay? Hey is that 3 piece suit going to cost me $500, but I can get it down the street at tree fifty? nah i'll just pay the 500.
Well for the moment his Market Value is $1.9 mil and it won't go above that until someone else makes an offer he signs. Then we can decide what his new MV to us is. Until then he's still on the books for $1.9 mil and I'm not gonna try to figure out what someone else or we may be willing to pay him 'til I actually have numbers to work from. That's how it's done.
Come on now. Let's not go picking numbers out of mid air as a guesstimate for how many catches he might have just to back your point. We also have no idea what he may cost yet beyond the $1.9 mil he tendered for.
We have no idea how many he'll get but I'll bet you $20 it's more than 20-30. Care to put up some cash to back your post?
For the record even Bellamy had 24 last year in that Godforsaken offense.
I'm not picking them out of mid air, 2 years of KC Cheifs stats and 2 years of Philly Eagles stats(both run similar systems) and even looked at a pass happy team like Alt for 2 years. You see the same thing, posted this earlier:
"If you assume that KC O from last year are good #s to go off of: 500 pass attempts, 340 completions(68% is probably asking a lot from Trubs btw), 80-90 for Arob, got to think that Burton will get 70-80(the TE in the KC offense gets a lot of looks), Gabriel and Cohen are going to each get 40+ b/c they are the speed/home run hitters on the field. After the top 4 guys in the comps on the Chiefs last year, the next 2 highest were in the 20's. So you are talking about paying someone 6mil-9mil for 20-30 catches when 20-30 catches could be done by a rookie, or a guy already on the roster(Bellamy/White if healthy).
2016 similar, but 20 more completions on 40 more attempts(I'm not positive Nagy will give Trubs 540 attempts and I'm not sure Trubs hits at 67% either), which gavve the 5th and 6th options just over 30 rec's, for 450 and 230 yards. 6mil for 30 rec's and 450 yards(and no td's). If the Bears were to sign Cam for 6mil, and the roles are reversed and Gabriel becomes the 5th option(doubtfull considering his speed which is something Nagy wants) then he would also have been to much money. Cam and Gabriel w/the same money on the team, one isn't going to earn his pay.
You see a similar story in Philly btw, but it's the first 3 targets, then the 4th and the rest are the 20-30's. Just for fun, checked the Falcons, again same thing as Philly checked both over the last 2 years."
So I guess you have to ask yourself, do you think Trubs is going to get 500-540(in philly w/Wentz 600+) and complete at 67-68% and that the plays are going to be called more for Meredith instead of Gabriel and Cohen. When the 2 WR's that match him(6'2" 200+ lbs) only 1x got more then 20-30 catches except for once(540 attempts) in the equivelent of 4 years that what Cams role will be.
Soul you know I don't bet unless I have some control in the outcome. me vs someone sure, poker, golf, basketball etc. putting money on 2 things I have no say in, nope that's a suckers bet. Besides, we are talking about SF and the Bears, it takes 1 injury to change all the #'s. That still doens't mean you should put 35-40mil into pass catchers. At 2-4 mil I'm all for bringing Cam back, wouldn't even blink. 6-9 it just doesn't make financial sense.
So.....you're pretty sure he'll have more than 20-30 then right but won't bet on it so you're not so sure after all. Neither of us really knows do we? So it's a fair bet. If we did know there's be no use in betting right? We'd already know the outcome. You only bet when you don't know.
Don't gimme this "I won't bet unless I can control the outcome". You can't ever control any unknown outcome unless you know the result ahead of time or cheat. Do you cheat? You picked the number of catches not me. You controlled that. So don't use that excuse. That dog won't hunt with me and you know that.
You can yank out historical numbers or make them up 'til next December but in reality that's when we'll actually know. Now they mean next to nothing. They're just guesses your using to back your opinion. Here, I'll give you an out. If Pace feels all Cam or any other #2 or #3 (your choice) will have is 20-30 receptions then my guess is he'll just play White and Bellamy and save the cash. Nuff said.
No i think the 3rd wr is the bears 5th target and will likely get somewhere in the 20-30 rec range tops, b/c the O Nagy runs that's all they ever got based on 4 years in Philly/KC except for 1 year. And again, I don't bet on anything I don't have a direct say in; never have, not sure how you don't get that.
Well, it doesn't look like former teammate Allen Robinson is the only one in Chicago trying to recruit now free agent wide receiver Allen Hurns.
Many were hoping the Bears would reach out to the free agent so Robinson and Hurns could be reunited in Chicago.
Well it looks like they'll at least try and reunite them.
Brandon George of the Dallas Morning News has confirmed that the Chicago Bears have reached out to the WR along with the Dallas Cowboys.
George spoke to Hurns himself and Hurns mentioned that at least 10 teams have reached out to him.
Hurns visited with the Cowboys on Wednesday so we'll see if he makes the rounds and visits any of those other 10 teams.
Would you like to see Ryan Pace sign Hurns?
My guess is the market is growing stronger for Cam then the Bears might have thought and will look into the market for Hurns just in case. Not a fan of this either, again a Rookie could get the catches these 2 will likely get in this O at a fraction of the cost. No one, unless a lot of injuries happen again, is getting a lot of looks outside of the top 4, AR15, TBurt, TGab and TCoh, there just aren't enough catches to go around.
No i think the 3rd wr is the bears 5th target and will likely get somewhere in the 20-30 rec range tops, b/c the O Nagy runs that's all they ever got based on 4 years in Philly/KC except for 1 year. And again, I don't bet on anything I don't have a direct say in; never have, not sure how you don't get that.
Well, it doesn't look like former teammate Allen Robinson is the only one in Chicago trying to recruit now free agent wide receiver Allen Hurns.
Many were hoping the Bears would reach out to the free agent so Robinson and Hurns could be reunited in Chicago.
Well it looks like they'll at least try and reunite them.
Brandon George of the Dallas Morning News has confirmed that the Chicago Bears have reached out to the WR along with the Dallas Cowboys.
George spoke to Hurns himself and Hurns mentioned that at least 10 teams have reached out to him.
Hurns visited with the Cowboys on Wednesday so we'll see if he makes the rounds and visits any of those other 10 teams.
Would you like to see Ryan Pace sign Hurns?
My guess is the market is growing stronger for Cam then the Bears might have thought and will look into the market for Hurns just in case. Not a fan of this either, again a Rookie could get the catches these 2 will likely get in this O at a fraction of the cost. No one, unless a lot of injuries happen again, is getting a lot of looks outside of the top 4, AR15, TBurt, TGab and TCoh, there just aren't enough catches to go around.
I'd be fine with a drafted guy as long as they get a guy who can catch (not another stone hand guy) and the guy can run routes (we don't always get one that can). Meredith has shown that he can do both, and well (the guy has made amazing catches and uses his size well too). The other issue is that if we draft a WR, then that is one position less that we can draft an other area of need. Re-signing Meredith does 2 things. You get a proven player. And you can keep that draft slot open for another player of need. Cam is a young guy just entering his prime. He could be a long-term asset for Trubisky. Granted he's not a #1 wr, but he'd be a valuable asset all the same.
I think the reason you are seeing interest from other teams is that they also see the value in Cam. A draftee, no matter how high you draft him, is still a bit of a gamble. Even 1st round WRs can be busts.
No i think the 3rd wr is the bears 5th target and will likely get somewhere in the 20-30 rec range tops, b/c the O Nagy runs that's all they ever got based on 4 years in Philly/KC except for 1 year. And again, I don't bet on anything I don't have a direct say in; never have, not sure how you don't get that.
Well, it doesn't look like former teammate Allen Robinson is the only one in Chicago trying to recruit now free agent wide receiver Allen Hurns.
Many were hoping the Bears would reach out to the free agent so Robinson and Hurns could be reunited in Chicago.
Well it looks like they'll at least try and reunite them.
Brandon George of the Dallas Morning News has confirmed that the Chicago Bears have reached out to the WR along with the Dallas Cowboys.
George spoke to Hurns himself and Hurns mentioned that at least 10 teams have reached out to him.
Hurns visited with the Cowboys on Wednesday so we'll see if he makes the rounds and visits any of those other 10 teams.
Would you like to see Ryan Pace sign Hurns?
My guess is the market is growing stronger for Cam then the Bears might have thought and will look into the market for Hurns just in case. Not a fan of this either, again a Rookie could get the catches these 2 will likely get in this O at a fraction of the cost. No one, unless a lot of injuries happen again, is getting a lot of looks outside of the top 4, AR15, TBurt, TGab and TCoh, there just aren't enough catches to go around.
I'd be fine with a drafted guy as long as they get a guy who can catch (not another stone hand guy) and the guy can run routes (we don't always get one that can). Meredith has shown that he can do both, and well (the guy has made amazing catches and uses his size well too). The other issue is that if we draft a WR, then that is one position less that we can draft an other area of need. Re-signing Meredith does 2 things. You get a proven player. And you can keep that draft slot open for another player of need. Cam is a young guy just entering his prime. He could be a long-term asset for Trubisky. Granted he's not a #1 wr, but he'd be a valuable asset all the same.
I think the reason you are seeing interest from other teams is that they also see the value in Cam. A draftee, no matter how high you draft him, is still a bit of a gamble. Even 1st round WRs can be busts.
Again I have nothing against Cam, I want/wanteded him back(until the 6mil # popped up), and you are right, other teams are showing interest b/c he is has good upside. But I don't think the Bears were expecting this kind of interest and weren't planning on paying another wr 6+ mil; if they were they wouldn't have went after Gabriel for that price. I think the tender was meant to temper the offers but it hasn't, the lack of WR talent in FA; and how hard the Bears went on day one seems to have encouraged teams to go after Cam.
I think there are a lot of really good WR's in this draft, I think if you've done the mocks and have researched the names you'll know who they are. For a guy that will be the 5th option I think it makes more sense to get a guy in the 2nd-4th rounds.
I'd be fine with a drafted guy as long as they get a guy who can catch (not another stone hand guy) and the guy can run routes (we don't always get one that can). Meredith has shown that he can do both, and well (the guy has made amazing catches and uses his size well too). The other issue is that if we draft a WR, then that is one position less that we can draft an other area of need. Re-signing Meredith does 2 things. You get a proven player. And you can keep that draft slot open for another player of need. Cam is a young guy just entering his prime. He could be a long-term asset for Trubisky. Granted he's not a #1 wr, but he'd be a valuable asset all the same.
I think the reason you are seeing interest from other teams is that they also see the value in Cam. A draftee, no matter how high you draft him, is still a bit of a gamble. Even 1st round WRs can be busts.
Again I have nothing against Cam, I want/wanteded him back(until the 6mil # popped up), and you are right, other teams are showing interest b/c he is has good upside. But I don't think the Bears were expecting this kind of interest and weren't planning on paying another wr 6+ mil; if they were they wouldn't have went after Gabriel for that price. I think the tender was meant to temper the offers but it hasn't, the lack of WR talent in FA; and how hard the Bears went on day one seems to have encouraged teams to go after Cam.
I think there are a lot of really good WR's in this draft, I think if you've done the mocks and have researched the names you'll know who they are. For a guy that will be the 5th option I think it makes more sense to get a guy in the 2nd-4th rounds.
Those are all good points. If they go the draft route I just hope they get a good guy. Meredith is a UDFA so it's not like he was a 1st round pick guy himself. The guys ARE in the draft. We just gotta get the right one, even if it is a mid-round pick. Whomever we end up with (Meredith or someone else) I just want a guy who can step up to a bigger role if injuries catapult the guy into being a key receiver during a season. Meredith is no Bellamy type guy. Meredith can actually get open and catch a football. And I know those guys will be in this draft... Pace just needs to draft the right one.