Why not just draft a WR then do either? Plenty of good WR's that could handle the #2 role in the 2nd-4th. It's the elephant in the room no one seems to wan to talk about.
Maybe, but a Cam in the hand is worth a #2 in the bush. A draftee would be a rookie no?
My position remains unchanged.
I'm not sure a cam is worth even 1, let alone 2 rookies, especially if he's costing 6-9mil, even for 1 year. I think people are over valueing Cams actual prodcution on the field compared to the rest of the league b/c of hte trash that was around him. He's had 1 almost 900 yard year.
I want him back, I think the kid could be a good boarderline #2 and good #3/slot, but not at any cost, and I'm not sure that he cannot be released by a quality rookie.
Maybe, but a Cam in the hand is worth a #2 in the bush. A draftee would be a rookie no?
My position remains unchanged.
I'm not sure a cam is worth even 1, let alone 2 rookies, especially if he's costing 6-9mil, even for 1 year. I think people are over valueing Cams actual prodcution on the field compared to the rest of the league b/c of hte trash that was around him. He's had 1 almost 900 yard year.
I want him back, I think the kid could be a good boarderline #2 and good #3/slot, but not at any cost, and I'm not sure that he cannot be released by a quality rookie.
To each there own though.
I think you're undervaluing Cam by a lot. This is a guy who got an almost 900 yard season while not being started until a bit before midway season and had a crappy QB throwing to him the whole time.
But has Cam proven anything? He's essentially played 1 year. I'm w/you sign your guys, but that thought is normally b/c your guys should be at a cheaper price.
I'm not saying he's a great WR, or a #1. But when you watch him work in games he is amazing. He runs good routes. He makes amazing catches. The guy also blocks well too (no small thing in my book). I'm just going by what I see the guy do in games. And, admittedly, I've liked the guy since he came here from ISU (the local university here in town). I'm biased, wanting the guy to be a Bear :-)
I'm not saying he's not good, but is he worth 6mil; that's .500k off the average salary of Taylor Gabriel(6.5 mil), who's ceiling is far higher as a #2 b/c of his speed/route running combo. Stat's don't show it, but that's b/c in Alt you had Julio and Sanu and other players getting the ball spread around. It's why I wouldn't want Hurns either.
In this O, is the 3rd WR going to get the touches needed to justify that kind of contract? The 3rd WR is likely going to struggle to get touches from Shaheen and Cohen. I wanted Cam back when he was going to be 2-3 maybe 4 mil, but 6 or even 9 on a 1yr deal? Give me a rookie on a low rookie contract(ie not 1st, probalby not 2nd now that I think about it). A rookie can easily replace the production that either Hurns or Cam can produce.
I'm not sure a cam is worth even 1, let alone 2 rookies, especially if he's costing 6-9mil, even for 1 year. I think people are over valueing Cams actual prodcution on the field compared to the rest of the league b/c of hte trash that was around him. He's had 1 almost 900 yard year.
I want him back, I think the kid could be a good boarderline #2 and good #3/slot, but not at any cost, and I'm not sure that he cannot be released by a quality rookie.
To each there own though.
I think you're undervaluing Cam by a lot. This is a guy who got an almost 900 yard season while not being started until a bit before midway season and had a crappy QB throwing to him the whole time.
As opposed to Blake Bortles? Again, 6mil for the 3rd wr who will be fighting for looks w/the #2 TE(shaheen) and Cohen. 6.5 mil is what we paid for Gabriel.
I think you're undervaluing Cam by a lot. This is a guy who got an almost 900 yard season while not being started until a bit before midway season and had a crappy QB throwing to him the whole time.
As opposed to Blake Bortles? Again, 6mil for the 3rd wr who will be fighting for looks w/the #2 TE(shaheen) and Cohen. 6.5 mil is what we paid for Gabriel.
6 million for a true #2 who has the size to play at the outside with his great route running ability and hands.
Again, that's a bargain for what he will get next year.
As opposed to Blake Bortles? Again, 6mil for the 3rd wr who will be fighting for looks w/the #2 TE(shaheen) and Cohen. 6.5 mil is what we paid for Gabriel.
6 million for a true #2 who has the size to play at the outside with his great route running ability and hands.
Again, that's a bargain for what he will get next year.
Taylor is the #2 on the team and is being paid for it. Again the next wr, cam or otherwise is going to compete for touches with shaheen and cohen. AR15 will get the most TGab and TreyB will get the next amount of looks. Then WR3 Cohen and Shaheen, and I would venture that Cohen will get the most of the 3 as he is the teams home run threat.
Taylor is the #2 on the team and is being paid for it. Again the next wr, cam or otherwise is going to compete for touches with shaheen and cohen. AR15 will get the most TGab and TreyB will get the next amount of looks. Then WR3 Cohen and Shaheen, and I would venture that Cohen will get the most of the 3 as he is the teams home run threat.
Is he? Is there a official roster depth chart released already?
Oh so you can assume the roster depth chart/position but I can't? Did you just say paying Cam 6mil is what you pay for the #2 spot? Who has a 6mil(i'm rounding up 5.5 and the next 2 years are 6.5) multi year contract on this team and who is trying to find his value via other teams?
Size isn't everything, plenty of good WR's out there over the years that weren't tall; and it's highly assumptive to say that Cam after 2 years has better route running then Gabriel.
Listen I wanted Cam back as much as the next person, I was looking forward to him lining up around other talent so that he wouldn't have to take on the best DB's. But 6mil for a 3rd wr when you already have 16mil on 2(Robinson/Gabriel) that's 22mil for the position, it's a large sum of money to be throwing at it and it would by far the most money compared to any other position on the roster and it's for WR's, likely the 2nd least important position to RB for winning SB's. And that's not taking into account the 5mil in KWhite whether he's cut or not; so it would be 27mil in the WR position.
My mind changed on Cam when the #'s shot from 2-4 to 4-6, and possibly a 1yr 9mil. The kid has all sorts of talent, and no doubt he's going to be good, but market could be pricing the Bears out of it(same w/Hurns) when the # of looks he is going to get could be had by someone much less expensive. If you assume that KC O from last year are good #s to go off of: 500 pass attempts, 340 completions(68% is probably asking a lot from Trubs btw), 80-90 for Arob, got to think that Burton will get 70-80(the TE in the KC offense gets a lot of looks), Gabriel and Cohen are going to each get 40+ b/c they are the speed/home run hitters on the field. After the top 4 guys in the comps on the Chiefs last year, the next 2 highest were in the 20's. So you are talking about paying someone 6mil-9mil for 20-30 catches when 20-30 catches could be done by a rookie, or a guy already on the roster(Bellamy/White if healthy).
1) He has good size. So does Kevin White but Meredith knows how to use his.
2) He's a former college QB and knows how to run a route. Kevin White can even spell route.
3) Cam can and does contribute to downfield blocking like Marshall. Gabriel at 170 lbs can't and White doesn't.
4) Cam's historical best is better than Gabriel's best and White doesn't even have a best.
5) Cam earned a #2 WR spot. Kevin White inherited one by draft status and can't assume the role.
Based on the above I'd be willing to role the dice with Cam for a couple of years provided his contract can be justified by his projected production and we do have some evidence of what that might potentially be especially now that we have ARob and Gabriel to assure he can't be singled out for double coverage.
Is Cam Meredith worth 35% to 40% of that? $5-$6 mil APY
It may or may not take that much but if it does and we can avoid having to spend a high draft pick on another WR because once again we let one of our own productive WRs go what have we accomplished other than have to keep re-drafting the same position or use a more expensive UFA to fill a need?
WR are in demand this offseason and scoring some huge deals based on moderate production so let's not get all hung up on cost. As a whole the MV of even 2nd tier WRs has gone up significantly. For those who don't feel Cam is worth 35%-40% of what ARob is getting fine. Let's see how it works out with White and Tanner Gentry. They're much cheaper.