I'm not fine w/any of that unless Hoyer is there until the bye week. All that is doing is delaying the inevitable. If we are going to suck, suck w/the future getting experience w/the knowledge it should get better. Don't go into the season knowing you are going to suck and doing it w/the same suck you did it w/last year.
Problem is that with QB, I don't think I can recall a single instance of a QB that took a beating and played badly for a year or two that came out of it and played well. These guys typically don't do well when thrown in, but that's JMO
I've often wondered if some busts would have been solid quarterbacks if they had been developed properly in the NFL. Some kids can be thrown to the wolves and be okay. Others can't.
The thing is we know what Cutler can do. He is no Bret Favre. What would our Rookie learn from him?
And what exactly has AR learned from Favre? Certainly not throwing into double and triple coverage. ^^ In fact when you look at the numbers, Cutty and the King of INT are really not that different.
Cutler
Favre
Games
139
298
Yards
32,467
71,838
YPG
233.6
241
Compl. PCT
61.9
62.0
TD
208
508
INT
146
336
TDPG
1.5
1.7
INTPG
1.05
1.13
TDPS
18.9
25.4
INTPS
13.3
16.8
So basically AR learned from a guy that is in many aspects like Cutler and how did that turn out? I'm sure a highly talented rookie like Watson could learn a thing or two from Cutty. If the rookie is capable and the coaches are good enough, it doesn't really matter who the mentor is.
It's not the burden of the new QB, it's his right. Why should we burden Hoyer or Barkley who have proven incapable, or burden Cutler who'll be looking over his shoulder now knowing he's really only hear until the new guy is up to speed.
His right to be a human pinata while he learns the ropes? na... not buying.
It's unfortunate but most teams don't have the luxury of drafting a player early and then allowing him to sit and learn. That's one of the drawbacks of the win now mentality, roster limits, and salary caps. We thought Floyd might get that opportunity - nah. He was taking the bulk of the snaps in the first game of the season DESPITE Lamarr Houston being healthy.
There might be a handful of teams who have a fanbase and ownership patient enough for that - Chicago is not one such place.
Why can't day 1 be when he's ready? Again, and maybe i'm wrong, but I have faith this Pace and this staff to get the job done if only b/c I have no reason to believe they cannot.
it could be, but I bet the number of actual day 1 ready QBs is not very encouraging compared to the number that were picked to be day 1 ready. And I don't want to be hoping for another #3 pick to do this again. I want to start winning.
I've even wondered if a guy like Aaron Rodgers could have turned out more like Rex Grossman if he'd come to the Bears instead of Green Bay.
The thing is we know what Cutler can do. He is no Bret Favre. What would our Rookie learn from him?
If we were to get a guy like Watson, you really telling me you rather have him sit behind a backup QB rather than get some experience that can help him grow as a NFL QB? Not to mention we will have a cheap QB for 4 years.
In today's NFL the days of sitting a QB behind is over:
Andrew Luck Cam Newton Carson Wentz James Winston Marcus Mariota Derek Carr Russell Wilson
I rather Cutler's 14 million go to another player to give us a better chance at winning. Heck we can use that money to overpay for AJ.
And that is a seriously valid point. I do think he can mentor. Not sure he wants to. That's why I'd be ok with McCown.
His right to be a human pinata while he learns the ropes? na... not buying.
It's unfortunate but most teams don't have the luxury of drafting a player early and then allowing him to sit and learn. That's one of the drawbacks of the win now mentality, roster limits, and salary caps. We thought Floyd might get that opportunity - nah. He was taking the bulk of the snaps in the first game of the season DESPITE Lamarr Houston being healthy.
There might be a handful of teams who have a fanbase and ownership patient enough for that - Chicago is not one such place.
I agree. But it's managements job to look for long term success of the team. Not instant gratification.
it could be, but I bet the number of actual day 1 ready QBs is not very encouraging compared to the number that were picked to be day 1 ready. And I don't want to be hoping for another #3 pick to do this again. I want to start winning.
I've even wondered if a guy like Aaron Rodgers could have turned out more like Rex Grossman if he'd come to the Bears instead of Green Bay.
It's not the burden of the new QB, it's his right. Why should we burden Hoyer or Barkley who have proven incapable, or burden Cutler who'll be looking over his shoulder now knowing he's really only hear until the new guy is up to speed.
His right to be a human pinata while he learns the ropes? na... not buying.
Why is he going to be a human pinata? You keep acting like the OL is bad or gave up a ton of sacks, they were pretty damn good last year, and dealt w/a lot of injuries.
His right to be a human pinata while he learns the ropes? na... not buying.
Why is he going to be a human pinata? You keep acting like the OL is bad or gave up a ton of sacks, they were pretty damn good last year, and dealt w/a lot of injuries.
Not every rookie gets beat up.
I agree the OL is not bad. But you still need to be able to avoid pressure and no OL is going to keep some of these guys off you. I still think the QBs need a ton of reps. It's not only the plays. It's knowing each WR and their tendencies. Their timing. I's knowing the defenses. It's all going through your mind and you are trying to get it. You are not playing instinctive for a while. You are hesitating, etc until you really get comfortable. All of that adds up to probably holding the ball too long. Which means probably getting hit more than you would when you are doing it second nature. Once you keep getting hit you just start to play different back there. I just think a young QB needs more time than a new guy at the other positions.