Boye Mafe is in his second year and had 9 sacks this past season. He was a second round pick. Nick Bonito had 8 sacks in his second season this year, also a second round pick. I wouldn't be surprised if Sam Williams gets close to 10 with an expanded role this season with the Cowboys. From the 2021 draft, Dayo Odeyingbo had 8 sacks this past season. So not quite 10, but pretty good production nonetheless.
Jalen Carter isn't included in the list I gave. Just defensive ends. And they weren't exceptions...this is what was expected of them.
There will be around $10 mill after paying rookie contracts, not $12 mill. Who else you cutting after Borom? He'll only save you $3 mill. You've got to come up with another $10 mill somewhere so that the team has cap space to operate during the season while taking on Hendricksons deal. Unless your plan is to go into the season with the cap space at $0.
Yes, they are exceptions. That’s why they were top-2 for Defensive Rookie of the Year. The other 3 DEs in 2023 first round had 8 sacks combined. I am trading a SECOND round pick for Hendrickson to get a DE who is Super Bowl ready in 2025. The odds are slim to none that a second round DE is Super Bowl ready in 2025. I am cutting Borom, V. Jones, Robinson, Homer, and maybe one or two more. Poles could work it out.
Incidentally, a capologist on the Seahawks forum claims you can gain cap space by converting part of a player’s salary to a prorated signing bonus. True?
If you cut Jones you need another kick returned and Jones may excel in that role with the new rules, so you have to sign a guy to replace Jones so at best you're saving $400K if you can sign a guy for the vet minimum. There are only 4 half backs on the roster right now...so Homer probably isn't going anywhere. Beyond that...we are still 18 players short of the 90 we need for camp. In order to sign those 18 players we'll need cap space.
As for converting a players salary to a prorated signing bonus, yes, that is a method you can use to create cap space. It comes at a cost however, and thats how teams, like us under Pace can get themselves in cap trouble. But, if we were to go down that road this year, we could save $14.9 mill restructuring Sweats contract and $12.5 mill restructuring Tremaine Edmunds contract. Beyond that the only one that would give decent savings would be Cole Kmets contract, creating $6.6 mill worth of space.
Yes, they are exceptions. That’s why they were top-2 for Defensive Rookie of the Year. The other 3 DEs in 2023 first round had 8 sacks combined. I am trading a SECOND round pick for Hendrickson to get a DE who is Super Bowl ready in 2025. The odds are slim to none that a second round DE is Super Bowl ready in 2025. I am cutting Borom, V. Jones, Robinson, Homer, and maybe one or two more. Poles could work it out.
Incidentally, a capologist on the Seahawks forum claims you can gain cap space by converting part of a player’s salary to a prorated signing bonus. True?
If you cut Jones you need another kick returned and Jones may excel in that role with the new rules, so you have to sign a guy to replace Jones so at best you're saving $400K if you can sign a guy for the vet minimum. There are only 4 half backs on the roster right now...so Homer probably isn't going anywhere. Beyond that...we are still 18 players short of the 90 we need for camp. In order to sign those 18 players we'll need cap space.
As for converting a players salary to a prorated signing bonus, yes, that is a method you can use to create cap space. It comes at a cost however, and thats how teams, like us under Pace can get themselves in cap trouble. But, if we were to go down that road this year, we could save $14.9 mill restructuring Sweats contract and $12.5 mill restructuring Tremaine Edmunds contract. Beyond that the only one that would give decent savings would be Cole Kmets contract, creating $6.6 mill worth of space.
Scott can run back kicks without fumbling them. Homer is another guy who will be on special teams, if not cut. All these guys could be easily cut. You can always find “camp bodies” to replace them. Add a modest restructuring and you’d have enough to pay Hendrickson.
If you cut Jones you need another kick returned and Jones may excel in that role with the new rules, so you have to sign a guy to replace Jones so at best you're saving $400K if you can sign a guy for the vet minimum. There are only 4 half backs on the roster right now...so Homer probably isn't going anywhere. Beyond that...we are still 18 players short of the 90 we need for camp. In order to sign those 18 players we'll need cap space.
As for converting a players salary to a prorated signing bonus, yes, that is a method you can use to create cap space. It comes at a cost however, and thats how teams, like us under Pace can get themselves in cap trouble. But, if we were to go down that road this year, we could save $14.9 mill restructuring Sweats contract and $12.5 mill restructuring Tremaine Edmunds contract. Beyond that the only one that would give decent savings would be Cole Kmets contract, creating $6.6 mill worth of space.
Scott can run back kicks without fumbling them. Homer is another guy who will be on special teams, if not cut. All these guys could be easily cut. You can always find “camp bodies” to replace them. Add a modest restructuring and you’d have enough to pay Hendrickson.
With the new rules you need two guys back to return kicks. You don't just want someone who "won't fumble"...you want someone who will be dangerous and impact the way the other team approaches the play. But ok...you cut Homer and Jones...you cleared another $2.7 mill...only $10 mill more before you have Hendricksons contract for this year covered without impacting our ability to do anything else. Don't forget a lot of these guys will need to play special teams...unless you want Hendrickson to do that too...
Scott can run back kicks without fumbling them. Homer is another guy who will be on special teams, if not cut. All these guys could be easily cut. You can always find “camp bodies” to replace them. Add a modest restructuring and you’d have enough to pay Hendrickson.
With the new rules you need two guys back to return kicks. You don't just want someone who "won't fumble"...you want someone who will be dangerous and impact the way the other team approaches the play. But ok...you cut Homer and Jones...you cleared another $2.7 mill...only $10 mill more before you have Hendricksons contract for this year covered without impacting our ability to do anything else. Don't forget a lot of these guys will need to play special teams...unless you want Hendrickson to do that too...
Gale Sayers ran back kicks. If you really want to capitalize on new rules, why not have better players do it? There is risk of injury on every play in football, but I thought the idea of the new rules is to have kick returns without as much injury risk. I would not be too surprised if some teams try it.
According to spotrac Hendrickson has a cap charge of $20mil this season and $18m next season. Bears would need to be able to deal with both those years. I don't know if Cinny can be persuaded to take some of those hits or even if that is possible. I'm not a cap guy. riczaj01 might know, he knows more about the cap than most others.
I might change my mind here (flip-flop) and say....maybe. It all depends on cap issues.
According to spotrac Hendrickson has a cap charge of $20mil this season and $18m next season. Bears would need to be able to deal with both those years. I don't know if Cinny can be persuaded to take some of those hits or even if that is possible. I'm not a cap guy. riczaj01 might know, he knows more about the cap than most others.
I might change my mind here (flip-flop) and say....maybe. It all depends on cap issues.
Yeah, the more I think of it, this doesn't sound like a good deal for where the Bears are at right now in their rebuild. That's close to $40-million dollars there for 3rd round pick Hendrickson - I'd rather the Bears drafted their own guy next year and have an ascending young player on a rookie contract instead of a guy who will be 30 years old this year, with a $40-million dollar cap hit. We have all been talking about how the team would not be able to get everything this year, and some needs have to be pushed to 2025. I'm thinking this is one.
According to spotrac Hendrickson has a cap charge of $20mil this season and $18m next season. Bears would need to be able to deal with both those years. I don't know if Cinny can be persuaded to take some of those hits or even if that is possible. I'm not a cap guy. riczaj01 might know, he knows more about the cap than most others.
I might change my mind here (flip-flop) and say....maybe. It all depends on cap issues.
Yeah, the more I think of it, this doesn't sound like a good deal for where the Bears are at right now in their rebuild. That's close to $40-million dollars there for 3rd round pick Hendrickson - I'd rather the Bears drafted their own guy next year and have an ascending young player on a rookie contract instead of a guy who will be 30 years old this year, with a $40-million dollar cap hit. We have all been talking about how the team would not be able to get everything this year, and some needs have to be pushed to 2025. I'm thinking this is one.
I'm curious how the round he was picked in is relevant? He is not just drafted. Wouldn't you use his production in the league as the measure?
Yeah, the more I think of it, this doesn't sound like a good deal for where the Bears are at right now in their rebuild. That's close to $40-million dollars there for 3rd round pick Hendrickson - I'd rather the Bears drafted their own guy next year and have an ascending young player on a rookie contract instead of a guy who will be 30 years old this year, with a $40-million dollar cap hit. We have all been talking about how the team would not be able to get everything this year, and some needs have to be pushed to 2025. I'm thinking this is one.
I'm curious how the round he was picked in is relevant? He is not just drafted. Wouldn't you use his production in the league as the measure?
It is not relevant to his play. But gotta admit that it's a trigger thing with me when I read about investing a lot of money in a guy on the wrong side of 30yrs of age - who often is a guy drafted in the mid to late rounds of the draft. Why? Because I think that in most of these cases (not all by any means but many) we should use our draft picks and draft our own guys. We went into this rebuild with most, if not all of us here, talking about how 2025 would be needed to complete the rebuild. Not every need would be filled in 2024. I'm thinking we are probably done (or should be done) for 2024 before we add a $40-million dollar burden on our cap. My point is that we can draft a young ascending talent next year. We have 8 draft picks with 4 of those in the top three rounds. This is a 3rd round guy... we can do this too. If we can't then we have deeper problems than just signing another vet for 2024. Let's just draft our own guy. LOL, I'm grumpy today :-)
According to spotrac Hendrickson has a cap charge of $20mil this season and $18m next season. Bears would need to be able to deal with both those years. I don't know if Cinny can be persuaded to take some of those hits or even if that is possible. I'm not a cap guy. riczaj01 might know, he knows more about the cap than most others.
I might change my mind here (flip-flop) and say....maybe. It all depends on cap issues.
I know what spotrac and other sites tell me. I'm no expert by any means =).
I wouldn't give up any future trade capital this year. Don't believe anyone that says the Bears window is open now, it's not. Might be next year based on how CWill and Odunze and the OL perform, but that window is firmly shut and locked until next offseason.