If you're reading mocks with Brian Thomas Jr going in the second or third round that explains a lot.
I think I said #6 to #8 drafted at #9. Thomas will go first round but not #9.
You said like 3 different things in 3 different posts. I have said that I would try to trade down from 9 if the big 3 receivers are not there. I still believe it is important to draft a receiver, especially in this very loaded receiver draft.
Your second comment said that basically after the big 3 these guys are all the same, to which I responded "that is not true". There are differences. I never said anything about taking a lower ranked receiver at 9. Not once.
I still question what mocks you're looking at that have the 8th ranked receiver available in the 3rd round. Just for an example, The Athletics latest mock draft has 8 receivers going in the first 44 picks. Field Yates latest mock draft on ESPN has FOURTEEN receivers going in the first 2 rounds!! PFF's latest 1 round mock has 7 receivers going in the first round, Brad Spielberger's latest 1 round mock has 8 receivers going in the first round, and Trevor Siekama's lastest 3 round mock on PFF has 21 receivers going in the first 3 rounds!!!
So please tell me which mocks you are reading that actually have the 8th ranked receiver available in the 3rd round??!!!
I think I said #6 to #8 drafted at #9. Thomas will go first round but not #9.
You said like 3 different things in 3 different posts. I have said that I would try to trade down from 9 if the big 3 receivers are not there. I still believe it is important to draft a receiver, especially in this very loaded receiver draft.
Your second comment said that basically after the big 3 these guys are all the same, to which I responded "that is not true". There are differences. I never said anything about taking a lower ranked receiver at 9. Not once.
I still question what mocks you're looking at that have the 8th ranked receiver available in the 3rd round. Just for an example, The Athletics latest mock draft has 8 receivers going in the first 44 picks. Field Yates latest mock draft on ESPN has FOURTEEN receivers going in the first 2 rounds!! PFF's latest 1 round mock has 7 receivers going in the first round, Brad Spielberger's latest 1 round mock has 8 receivers going in the first round, and Trevor Siekama's lastest 3 round mock on PFF has 21 receivers going in the first 3 rounds!!!
So please tell me which mocks you are reading that actually have the 8th ranked receiver available in the 3rd round??!!!
Okay, you can’t get #8 in 3rd round. The first time you mentioned that, I said I am not drafting a WR at #9 who is mocked in the second or third round. That is the same reason I don’t draft JPJ at #9 if I can trade down lower in the first round and probably still get him. Same applies to Thomas.
incidentally, I looked up #8 on the consensus big board. It is Coleman, and he goes #49. Poles would have to be crazy to draft him #9.
Sometimes, you just have to over reach, criticisms be damned. JPJ may value at around 22-26, but if Poles WANTS a pro-bowl Center and the only pick he can burn is #9... so be it.
If he puts it on the floor and teams like Pittsburgh see it, they're going to look to move up knowing who Poles is after (they're high on JPJ).
You need to get ahead of Steelers and Cowboys, but I figure you’d have a very good chance of getting JPJ with a trade down to 16-19. That’s a reasonable overpay that probably would not cause butkus a heart attack.
And thank you for that, David. Let Halas Hall know about this so we don't lose a good poster here. We don't have an unlimited supply of good posters... butkus3595 is one
So you’d rather trade down for the #6 WR than Powers-Johnson?
Powers Johnson is not going top 10, nor should he. I can more easily find a center than I can a game changing receiver. They simply don't make it to free agency, you either have to draft them, or trade for them...as we've seen.
Agree 100%
JPJ may be a great player but he's in a non-premium position. Keep in mind he's only a one-year starter in college and there's a bunch of good iOL prospects available later.
I'll be really pissed if Poles drafts him in the 1st. But I doubt he will. Poles has been a smart GM who understands positional value.
With the way these quarterbacks are ascending in this draft (with a small army of QB hungry teams this year) I'm feeling fairly confident now that one of the "Big 3" wide receivers will be there for us at #9. Teams are going to trade up to get one of these top QBs in a draft class that seems to be a very very special year for quarterbacks. Poles (hopefully) will get us a great WR at #9.
Odunze will probably be there at #9, but Poles may go DE anyway. That would not surprise me at all.
If so, its a complete no-brainer decision. Run to the podium. I'd hang up on anyone calling to trade. Bye-Bye
Keenan Allen is probably here for 2 years max and he's not durable. He is almost certainly going to miss 3-6 games every season. Bears have nothing at WR3 unless you magically believe Tyler Scott is going to grow new hands or Velus isn't going to suck yet again for a 3rd season.
I think you add Caleb and Rome to what we already have and the Bears finally have a 4000 yard passer. Only team in entire league to never have had one.
You need to get ahead of Steelers and Cowboys, but I figure you’d have a very good chance of getting JPJ with a trade down to 16-19. That’s a reasonable overpay that probably would not cause butkus a heart attack.
And thank you for that, David. Let Halas Hall know about this so we don't lose a good poster here. We don't have an unlimited supply of good posters... butkus3595 is one
Yeah, I wouldn’t want to lose my sparring partner!
Odunze will probably be there at #9, but Poles may go DE anyway. That would not surprise me at all.
If so, its a complete no-brainer decision. Run to the podium. I'd hang up on anyone calling to trade. Bye-Bye
Keenan Allen is probably here for 2 years max and he's not durable. He is almost certainly going to miss 3-6 games every season. Bears have nothing at WR3 unless you magically believe Tyler Scott is going to grow new hands or Velus isn't going to suck yet again for a 3rd season.
I think you add Caleb and Rome to what we already have and the Bears finally have a 4000 yard passer. Only team in entire league to never have had one.
I am taking Odunze at #9, but Poles might be persuaded by the “draft DE” group in their little Halas Hall debating club to prioritize DE over WR.
On the other hand, you don’t draft positions — you draft players. So if Odunze rates higher than all DE’s on the Bears big board, Poles might override the DE group and just draft BPA.
if we get Odunze and Williams doesn’t throw 3500+, we drafted the wrong guy.
If these guys were all equal, they would be randomly distributed in the draft. I’m not spending #9 pick ona WR that NO mock draft has going before second or third round. That is a stupid waste of the pick just to get a WR at any cost.
If you're reading mocks with Brian Thomas Jr going in the second or third round that explains a lot.
LOL, BTJr will probably be the 4th WR off the board and gone by #20.
If so, its a complete no-brainer decision. Run to the podium. I'd hang up on anyone calling to trade. Bye-Bye
Keenan Allen is probably here for 2 years max and he's not durable. He is almost certainly going to miss 3-6 games every season. Bears have nothing at WR3 unless you magically believe Tyler Scott is going to grow new hands or Velus isn't going to suck yet again for a 3rd season.
I think you add Caleb and Rome to what we already have and the Bears finally have a 4000 yard passer. Only team in entire league to never have had one.
I am taking Odunze at #9, but Poles might be persuaded by the “draft DE” group in their little Halas Hall debating club to prioritize DE over WR.
On the other hand, you don’t draft positions — you draft players. So if Odunze rates higher than all DE’s on the Bears big board, Poles might override the DE group and just draft BPA.
if we get Odunze and Williams doesn’t throw 3500+, we drafted the wrong guy.
I would agree. In fact, I'd say he should throw for 3500 even if we don't draft RO. My only hesitancy is that Keenan Allen misses time every season and we have nothing behind him thanks to missing on Claypool, Velus, and (probably) Scott.
Oh and if Waldron can squeeze 3700 yards out of Geno Smith, he better be able to do that with Williams too. Bears already have 4 legit pass catchers. Its indulgent I admit, but I want a 5th.
I am taking Odunze at #9, but Poles might be persuaded by the “draft DE” group in their little Halas Hall debating club to prioritize DE over WR.
On the other hand, you don’t draft positions — you draft players. So if Odunze rates higher than all DE’s on the Bears big board, Poles might override the DE group and just draft BPA.
if we get Odunze and Williams doesn’t throw 3500+, we drafted the wrong guy.
I would agree. In fact, I'd say he should throw for 3500 even if we don't draft RO. My only hesitancy is that Keenan Allen misses time every season and we have nothing behind him thanks to missing on Claypool, Velus, and (probably) Scott.
Oh and if Waldron can squeeze 3700 yards out of Geno Smith, he better be able to do that with Williams too. Bears already have 4 legit pass catchers. Its indulgent I admit, but I want a 5th.
Just a guess, but my gut says there is about 50/50 chance Odunze is gone before #9. The interesting discussion is what to do in that case? Take a DE or trade down for JPJ or Thomas. That is where I am at.