The motion is different, but in the end, you are still pushing the blocker. I am not talking about times Watt lined up outside and used speed to power. Physics says F=MA. so naturally you hit with more force if you are accelerating into him rather than slugging it out toe-to-toe.
You and Butkus are so funny with these arguments. LOL. But regarding the bench press, I'm not sold on it being some end-all measurement that maps to the NFL. Nobody will argue that strength is important. But functional strength is a different thing than benching 225 pounds in a gym setting. It just is. It would be like saying your QB had a strong arm due to his bench stats at the Combine. Obviously, you don't draft a QB based on him benching 225 pounds in shorts in a gym. There is more to a strong passing arm than a bench press stat. I don't know... the Combine drills seem limited in usefulness to me. Game film of these guys showcasing functional strength (in real games against real opponents) means infinitely more than doing some drills in a gym in shorts.
As I said before, tape and interviews are most important.
I didn’t say bench press is “end-all” measure of upper body strength, but it is practical indicator that can be used at the combine. If it were totally worthless, the coaches wouldn’t consider it. They do. Other things being equal (which they never are), I’d rather have a tackle who does 36 rather than 26.
JJ Watt lined up wide A LOT! So yeah, he was a DE using speed to power.
Either way, even for the example you provided...again, upper body strength is one small portion of it. The bigger portion in that scenario is the power and force one can develop with their lower body to "launch" themselves into the offensive lineman. Upper body punch isn't doing the job alone. Furthermore, speed is paramount, because if the offensive lineman gets to me first, I most likely lose. It’s why bench press is kind of a poor exercise because in this motion, I'm not cocking my arms back and bringing them forward, as you would in a bench press. I'm exploding out of my stance with my hand going right from the ground and working towards extension with my arms. Next, my projection and my "punch" need to be upwards into the offensive lineman, which along with my speed beating him to a spot, will help cause that imbalance. If I come out of my stance too high, I'm most likely beat. Interestingly, studies have shown a significant positive associations between force production coming out of a 3 point stance, and 10 yard sprint time, and minimal to no association with 1 rep max bench strength.
The motion is different, but in the end, you are still pushing the blocker. I am not talking about times Watt lined up outside and used speed to power. Physics says F=MA. so naturally you hit with more force if you are accelerating into him rather than slugging it out toe-to-toe.
And where do accelerate from? Defensive lineman generally have lower 10 yard sprint times, meaning they can accelerate and generate force and power in shorter amounts of time than and Offensive lineman can. So even when you're "slugging it out toe to toe"...one's ability to generate force and power quickly is what is largely a determining factor in winning.
The motion is different, but in the end, you are still pushing the blocker. I am not talking about times Watt lined up outside and used speed to power. Physics says F=MA. so naturally you hit with more force if you are accelerating into him rather than slugging it out toe-to-toe.
You and Butkus are so funny with these arguments. LOL. But regarding the bench press, I'm not sold on it being some end-all measurement that maps to the NFL. Nobody will argue that strength is important. But functional strength is a different thing than benching 225 pounds in a gym setting. It just is. It would be like saying your QB had a strong arm due to his bench stats at the Combine. Obviously, you don't draft a QB based on him benching 225 pounds in shorts in a gym. There is more to a strong passing arm than a bench press stat. I don't know... the Combine drills seem limited in usefulness to me. Game film of these guys showcasing functional strength (in real games against real opponents) means infinitely more than doing some drills in a gym in shorts.
LOL...what else are we gonna do? Argue about the QB for the 1100th time? LMAO!
You and Butkus are so funny with these arguments. LOL. But regarding the bench press, I'm not sold on it being some end-all measurement that maps to the NFL. Nobody will argue that strength is important. But functional strength is a different thing than benching 225 pounds in a gym setting. It just is. It would be like saying your QB had a strong arm due to his bench stats at the Combine. Obviously, you don't draft a QB based on him benching 225 pounds in shorts in a gym. There is more to a strong passing arm than a bench press stat. I don't know... the Combine drills seem limited in usefulness to me. Game film of these guys showcasing functional strength (in real games against real opponents) means infinitely more than doing some drills in a gym in shorts.
LOL...what else are we gonna do? Argue about the QB for the 1100th time? LMAO!
The motion is different, but in the end, you are still pushing the blocker. I am not talking about times Watt lined up outside and used speed to power. Physics says F=MA. so naturally you hit with more force if you are accelerating into him rather than slugging it out toe-to-toe.
And where do accelerate from? Defensive lineman generally have lower 10 yard sprint times, meaning they can accelerate and generate force and power in shorter amounts of time than and Offensive lineman can. So even when you're "slugging it out toe to toe"...one's ability to generate force and power quickly is what is largely a determining factor in winning.
That gets us off into other variables besides force and power. For example, reaction time. The reason these offensive linemen get called for so many false starts (not caused by crowd noise) is they want to get into a strong position to absorb that first big shot from Watt. I think it was Swift who was commenting on Brax and the bull rushers, and said Brax needs to work more on not letting them get into his chest quickly.
And where do accelerate from? Defensive lineman generally have lower 10 yard sprint times, meaning they can accelerate and generate force and power in shorter amounts of time than and Offensive lineman can. So even when you're "slugging it out toe to toe"...one's ability to generate force and power quickly is what is largely a determining factor in winning.
That gets us off into other variables besides force and power. For example, reaction time. The reason these offensive linemen get called for so many false starts (not caused by crowd noise) is they want to get into a strong position to absorb that first big shot from Watt. I think it was Swift who was commenting on Brax and the bull rushers, and said Brax needs to work more on not letting them get into his chest quickly.
It doesn't really. Reaction time is less important if my ability to generate force and power is quick. Gervon Dexter is a great example of that. By the way...Dexter only got 22 reps on the bench at the combine. But when you watch the film, that dude can generate force and power QUICKLY. The part I bolded actually proves my point. The person who is quickest to a point of advantage usually wins. If the tackle beats Watt to a spot they can anchor themselves and not be off balance. When Watt beats them there, they are already off balance...all he has to do is finish it off. Speed to power. Glad we finally got there.
That gets us off into other variables besides force and power. For example, reaction time. The reason these offensive linemen get called for so many false starts (not caused by crowd noise) is they want to get into a strong position to absorb that first big shot from Watt. I think it was Swift who was commenting on Brax and the bull rushers, and said Brax needs to work more on not letting them get into his chest quickly.
It doesn't really. Reaction time is less important if my ability to generate force and power is quick. Gervon Dexter is a great example of that. By the way...Dexter only got 22 reps on the bench at the combine. But when you watch the film, that dude can generate force and power QUICKLY. The part I bolded actually proves my point. The person who is quickest to a point of advantage usually wins. If the tackle beats Watt to a spot they can anchor themselves and not be off balance. When Watt beats them there, they are already off balance...all he has to do is finish it off. Speed to power. Glad we finally got there.
It doesn't really. Reaction time is less important if my ability to generate force and power is quick. Gervon Dexter is a great example of that. By the way...Dexter only got 22 reps on the bench at the combine. But when you watch the film, that dude can generate force and power QUICKLY. The part I bolded actually proves my point. The person who is quickest to a point of advantage usually wins. If the tackle beats Watt to a spot they can anchor themselves and not be off balance. When Watt beats them there, they are already off balance...all he has to do is finish it off. Speed to power. Glad we finally got there.
Reaction time applies to both players. Whoever wins the quickness race gains an advantage, but it’s not always decisive. Once the two guys are locked onto each other, strength is one of the factors that comes into play in determining the final outcome.
Reaction time applies to both players. Whoever wins the quickness race gains an advantage, but it’s not always decisive. Once the two guys are locked onto each other, strength is one of the factors that comes into play in determining the final outcome.
One of MANY factors...yes. Technique, leverage, tactical superiority, etc. And Remember...strength is only useful if I can express it quickly enough when I need it. If I can't do that, it doesn't really matter much how strong I am.
Reaction time applies to both players. Whoever wins the quickness race gains an advantage, but it’s not always decisive. Once the two guys are locked onto each other, strength is one of the factors that comes into play in determining the final outcome.
One of MANY factors...yes. Technique, leverage, tactical superiority, etc. And Remember...strength is only useful if I can express it quickly enough when I need it. If I can't do that, it doesn't really matter much how strong I am.
Yeah, strength doesn’t matter if the guy is already past you.