My opinion? No. Love is a better QB than Fields is right now. Maybe forever. He certainly has the confidence. And it's kind of an unfair question to begin with because Love is the only guy that that the timing down with those players. But I'll venture this. Put Fields behind that OL, and we would score a LOT more.
We'd score a lot more with a QB with a rating over 85 too.
We need several upgrades on offense.
I know. His rating would be over 85 behind that line.
My opinion? No. Love is a better QB than Fields is right now. Maybe forever. He certainly has the confidence. And it's kind of an unfair question to begin with because Love is the only guy that that the timing down with those players. But I'll venture this. Put Fields behind that OL, and we would score a LOT more.
I agree. But it is such an "apples to oranges" thing to compare because of the disparity in the coaching/players/play-calling/game-planning on the two teams. It is such a "meatball thing" to just over-simplify and say "Fields sucks" because he should overcome all obstacles and perform in spite of the steaming pile of crap offense here in Chicago. LOL, it's like they just sprinkle Fields with some of that leftover Mike Tice pixie dust and fairy tales happen. I find it stunning that someone can follow the NFL (especially the modern NFL) and not grasp the fact that the QB is one dude of 11 out there. The coaching, play-calling, game-plans and yes, the other 10 dudes out there on offense matter. It is a TEAM sport. We have no clue what we have in Fields right now -and that should piss off all Bears fans because the franchise has (once again) failed to build an offense that can allow a QB1 to develop here. Green Bay? They get it. They take a lower first round draft pick in Aaron Rodger and develop a Hall of Fame player. After having done it already with Hall of Fame QB Brett Favre (a 2nd round draft pick guy) - and now they have another late first round dude in Love... he looks like he will be another home run hit for Green Bay. The meatball Bears fans say it's all just luck and if we can only draft another kid WE will have Hall of Famers here too. LOLOLOL. It doesn't work that way. Never has. Never will.
riczaj01 called this right a long time ago... and most of us did not agree with him at the time... but if you want Fields to succeed here you pull out all of the stops to upgrade that O roster. And you need solid coaching. We have neither... and we haven't in quite awhile. Until we do there isn't snowball's chance in hell that any QB will be good here. Hasn't happened. Won't happen. Period.
I agree. I understand the position that we should move on from Fields because we have the 1st pick and when will we have it again? But if we didn't have the 1st pick, I would definitely be in the "give Fields more time" camp. To see his failings and performance and put it all on him is just so simplistic in my view also. You have to look at the causes or you will never fix the results of those factors, and the results seem to be the only things some people see. The results happen because of lots of factors. Of cours, the QB himself is a part of that. But you have to find and address all of those factors. I am not qualified to do that. My football knowledge (the kind you need to see and fix this kind of stuff) is just not there. Hell, the execs and coaches on the Bears staff for years have not been able to do it. It is not easy. But I know Fields is not the only problem. As a matter of fact, I am still not convinced that he is a part of the problem, He may be a part of the solution and we just have to fix the problem parts. I just don't know. As I have said before, I can make an argument for both sides. But I do know we have a play calling, offensive scheming problem, an offensive line problem and a problem with our passing game. And I also know all of those affect the QB. So I can't say how good or bad our QB is until that stuff is addressed - at least to some degree. I have seen some real brilliance on the QBs part, so I hesitate to throw him out. But as I type this, I also know that it has all been said before. And I also know that arguments will be set forth that will cause all this stuff to be typed again.
Well, after watching the game tonight, I feel better about both Fields and the team. What Green Bay did to the 49ers really stunned me. I know GB is good. Really good. But their OL is just amazing. The D was super stout and of course Love was Love. If they played the 49ers like they did, we have nothing to be embarrassed about given where we are, our OL, our OC, etc.
So if you replaced Love with Fields. Would they win? I don't think they would.
Fields is a subpar 2.5k QB while Love is a 4k QB.
I think maybe a better way to put it is that Fields has passed for 2.5k yards and Love has passed for 4k. That does not mean that is what they are. Put Love behind our line, let Getsy call the plays and give him our WRs. I don't think he will see 4k. JMO
So if you replaced Love with Fields. Would they win? I don't think they would.
Fields is a subpar 2.5k QB while Love is a 4k QB.
I think maybe a better way to put it is that Fields has passed for 2.5k yards and Love has passed for 4k. That does not mean that is what they are. Put Love behind our line, let Getsy call the plays and give him our WRs. I don't think he will see 4k. JMO
Love appears to be a QB you can win with, but the difference maker in GB is LaFleur.
Watch this video for a breakdown of the routes he used to destroy Dallas:
Imagine that, scheming players open. He gave a master class last night in play design and play calling, using threats to set up plays later in the game. Like I posted in the chat, he ran out of passing formation and passed out of running formations. Brilliant across the board until Love tried to play outside the system and lost the game.
I agree. But it is such an "apples to oranges" thing to compare because of the disparity in the coaching/players/play-calling/game-planning on the two teams. It is such a "meatball thing" to just over-simplify and say "Fields sucks" because he should overcome all obstacles and perform in spite of the steaming pile of crap offense here in Chicago. LOL, it's like they just sprinkle Fields with some of that leftover Mike Tice pixie dust and fairy tales happen. I find it stunning that someone can follow the NFL (especially the modern NFL) and not grasp the fact that the QB is one dude of 11 out there. The coaching, play-calling, game-plans and yes, the other 10 dudes out there on offense matter. It is a TEAM sport. We have no clue what we have in Fields right now -and that should piss off all Bears fans because the franchise has (once again) failed to build an offense that can allow a QB1 to develop here. Green Bay? They get it. They take a lower first round draft pick in Aaron Rodger and develop a Hall of Fame player. After having done it already with Hall of Fame QB Brett Favre (a 2nd round draft pick guy) - and now they have another late first round dude in Love... he looks like he will be another home run hit for Green Bay. The meatball Bears fans say it's all just luck and if we can only draft another kid WE will have Hall of Famers here too. LOLOLOL. It doesn't work that way. Never has. Never will.
riczaj01 called this right a long time ago... and most of us did not agree with him at the time... but if you want Fields to succeed here you pull out all of the stops to upgrade that O roster. And you need solid coaching. We have neither... and we haven't in quite awhile. Until we do there isn't snowball's chance in hell that any QB will be good here. Hasn't happened. Won't happen. Period.
You can add Harrison, a good center, a competent OC, and Fields won’t play any better or, at most, just a LITTLE better but not a LOT better. That’s what MP believes. Both propositions are counterfactual at the moment.
We may never draft #1 again in our lifetime, but most SB QBs are not drafted #1. Most #1 drafted QBs never win a Super Bowl. You need a super TEAM, and if you have one, you can win with Purdy (Mr. Irrelevant) at QB. The 49ers might prove it.
That’s possible but I’d let the playoffs play out before using Purdy as an example. He gift wrapped two pick sixes that were dropped last night. GB played a C- game and still nearly beat him.
You can add Harrison, a good center, a competent OC, and Fields won’t play any better or, at most, just a LITTLE better but not a LOT better. That’s what MP believes. Both propositions are counterfactual at the moment.
We may never draft #1 again in our lifetime, but most SB QBs are not drafted #1. Most #1 drafted QBs never win a Super Bowl. You need a super TEAM, and if you have one, you can win with Purdy (Mr. Irrelevant) at QB. The 49ers might prove it.
That’s possible but I’d let the playoffs play out before using Purdy as an example. He gift wrapped two pick sixes that were dropped last night. GB played a C- game and still nearly beat him.
The Ravens are clear favorites. Packers did not have a C- pass rush on Purdy.
I agree. But it is such an "apples to oranges" thing to compare because of the disparity in the coaching/players/play-calling/game-planning on the two teams. It is such a "meatball thing" to just over-simplify and say "Fields sucks" because he should overcome all obstacles and perform in spite of the steaming pile of crap offense here in Chicago. LOL, it's like they just sprinkle Fields with some of that leftover Mike Tice pixie dust and fairy tales happen. I find it stunning that someone can follow the NFL (especially the modern NFL) and not grasp the fact that the QB is one dude of 11 out there. The coaching, play-calling, game-plans and yes, the other 10 dudes out there on offense matter. It is a TEAM sport. We have no clue what we have in Fields right now -and that should piss off all Bears fans because the franchise has (once again) failed to build an offense that can allow a QB1 to develop here. Green Bay? They get it. They take a lower first round draft pick in Aaron Rodger and develop a Hall of Fame player. After having done it already with Hall of Fame QB Brett Favre (a 2nd round draft pick guy) - and now they have another late first round dude in Love... he looks like he will be another home run hit for Green Bay. The meatball Bears fans say it's all just luck and if we can only draft another kid WE will have Hall of Famers here too. LOLOLOL. It doesn't work that way. Never has. Never will.
riczaj01 called this right a long time ago... and most of us did not agree with him at the time... but if you want Fields to succeed here you pull out all of the stops to upgrade that O roster. And you need solid coaching. We have neither... and we haven't in quite awhile. Until we do there isn't snowball's chance in hell that any QB will be good here. Hasn't happened. Won't happen. Period.
You can add Harrison, a good center, a competent OC, and Fields won’t play any better or, at most, just a LITTLE better but not a LOT better. That’s what MP believes. Both propositions are counterfactual at the moment.
We may never draft #1 again in our lifetime, but most SB QBs are not drafted #1. Most #1 drafted QBs never win a Super Bowl. You need a super TEAM, and if you have one, you can win with Purdy (Mr. Irrelevant) at QB. The 49ers might prove it.
I've got to let this whole Fields thing go. I should have done it weeks ago but I do struggle with letting it go. Everyone has their own feelings about the situation. I doubt anyone is going to be changing their mind at this point, so I need to quit venting my spleen about it. Let's just see what happens and cheer for whomever the QB is this year.
I agree. But it is such an "apples to oranges" thing to compare because of the disparity in the coaching/players/play-calling/game-planning on the two teams. It is such a "meatball thing" to just over-simplify and say "Fields sucks" because he should overcome all obstacles and perform in spite of the steaming pile of crap offense here in Chicago. LOL, it's like they just sprinkle Fields with some of that leftover Mike Tice pixie dust and fairy tales happen. I find it stunning that someone can follow the NFL (especially the modern NFL) and not grasp the fact that the QB is one dude of 11 out there. The coaching, play-calling, game-plans and yes, the other 10 dudes out there on offense matter. It is a TEAM sport. We have no clue what we have in Fields right now -and that should piss off all Bears fans because the franchise has (once again) failed to build an offense that can allow a QB1 to develop here. Green Bay? They get it. They take a lower first round draft pick in Aaron Rodger and develop a Hall of Fame player. After having done it already with Hall of Fame QB Brett Favre (a 2nd round draft pick guy) - and now they have another late first round dude in Love... he looks like he will be another home run hit for Green Bay. The meatball Bears fans say it's all just luck and if we can only draft another kid WE will have Hall of Famers here too. LOLOLOL. It doesn't work that way. Never has. Never will.
riczaj01 called this right a long time ago... and most of us did not agree with him at the time... but if you want Fields to succeed here you pull out all of the stops to upgrade that O roster. And you need solid coaching. We have neither... and we haven't in quite awhile. Until we do there isn't snowball's chance in hell that any QB will be good here. Hasn't happened. Won't happen. Period.
I agree. I understand the position that we should move on from Fields because we have the 1st pick and when will we have it again? But if we didn't have the 1st pick, I would definitely be in the "give Fields more time" camp. To see his failings and performance and put it all on him is just so simplistic in my view also. You have to look at the causes or you will never fix the results of those factors, and the results seem to be the only things some people see. The results happen because of lots of factors. Of cours, the QB himself is a part of that. But you have to find and address all of those factors. I am not qualified to do that. My football knowledge (the kind you need to see and fix this kind of stuff) is just not there. Hell, the execs and coaches on the Bears staff for years have not been able to do it. It is not easy. But I know Fields is not the only problem. As a matter of fact, I am still not convinced that he is a part of the problem, He may be a part of the solution and we just have to fix the problem parts. I just don't know. As I have said before, I can make an argument for both sides. But I do know we have a play calling, offensive scheming problem, an offensive line problem and a problem with our passing game. And I also know all of those affect the QB. So I can't say how good or bad our QB is until that stuff is addressed - at least to some degree. I have seen some real brilliance on the QBs part, so I hesitate to throw him out. But as I type this, I also know that it has all been said before. And I also know that arguments will be set forth that will cause all this stuff to be typed again.
That's a great way to put it. I mentioned in the other post that it's time for me to pipe down and let it all go. I have really struggled with this but it is counter-productive to be going on and on about it. We all know how everyone feels about it all and nobody is going to change their minds at this point - and that's okay. To everyone here I'm sorry I didn't let this Fields thing go weeks ago. I promise to move on now
You can add Harrison, a good center, a competent OC, and Fields won’t play any better or, at most, just a LITTLE better but not a LOT better. That’s what MP believes. Both propositions are counterfactual at the moment.
We may never draft #1 again in our lifetime, but most SB QBs are not drafted #1. Most #1 drafted QBs never win a Super Bowl. You need a super TEAM, and if you have one, you can win with Purdy (Mr. Irrelevant) at QB. The 49ers might prove it.
I've got to let this whole Fields thing go. I should have done it weeks ago but I do struggle with letting it go. Everyone has their own feelings about the situation. I doubt anyone is going to be changing their mind at this point, so I need to quit venting my spleen about it. Let's just see what happens and cheer for whomever the QB is this year.
We are into dead horse flogging on this now. I think I will join you on the sidelines.
i left a question for you on the non-football thread. Does a 100% charge give less range in winter? Answer over there so we don’t pollute this thread.
