+1,000 If a team gets a top-tier QB1 it makes sustained winning so much more doable. Sustained winning. The teams with great QBs watch pretty darned good football every year. That's what we need here in Chicago, at least that is what I want. Fields, Caleb, Maye or whomever they end up rolling with this year, I am hoping they get a guy who can do this. I don't want a Dilfer level QB. Yes you can win a SB with a QB like that. It's the exception not the rule though. Look through that list of SB winning QBs over the past decades. By and large those QBs were top-tier guys and also you notice their names often appear in multiple years of starting SB quarterbacks. That's what we need here.
Thank God we've got the people that can pick them. Wait.... how about we just trade for whoever Green Bay picks to follow Love. Those guys just know how to do it.
I know you were being sarcastic but that hits at the crux of the problem. Everyone loves to claim "the Bears ruin QBs". The real problem is that the Bears suck at scouting QBs.
You have to go back to McMahon in the early 1980s to find the last time the Bears nailed a QB draft evaluation. As much as we hate to say it, Green Bay has been excellent at that.
I know all that. However, there’s a saying in baseball, “It only takes one to hit.” One hit is all I want, and I want it ASAP, not two years after I’m dead. My dad died in 1983. I think about that sometimes.
Nobody here can convince me or butkus that Fields performance isn’t a hell of a lot better with Harrison, new OC, and OL upgrades. I’m done debating the point. Everybody here is locked in.
I am just in the middle watching it all go down. Munching my popcorn and hoping Poles gets it right. As far as what is "right" hey, I admit I don't know. This is why Poles gets paid the big bucks. He won't get a third 1st overall pick of the draft. Whether it's Caleb, Maye, HMJ, trade down or whatever. He's got to get THIS one right. I like to believe he will get it right. But I am not locked in as "knowing" myself what is best here. Just a dude on the sidewalk watching the parade go by :-)
It is a calculated risk either way. Some of us differ in how we estimate the risks. Poles job is not just to improve the roster. With #1 and #9 plus $60+ million cap space, that’s a given. No. His job is to get ahead of Packers and Lions in 2024, and field a Super Bowl ready team in 2025. I’m not going to “crown his ass” (Denny Green) until I see the finished product. The Lions have been beating him in the draft. That needs to change.
I'm not saying I'm in favor of taking Caleb Williams, but in the interest of looking at both sides, equally, here are two podcasts giving raw numbers why they think taking him could be beneficial over taking a haul in addition to keeping Justin.
I've researched it another way. I look at who has achieved the highest levels of performance. Like what QBs have had multiple SB appearances. And only about 30% were even taken in the 1st round.
Given that there are literally dozens and dozens of QBs selected outside of the 1st round in past years that makes the likelihood you'll win a SB with one selected in later rounds even less. The difference would be like a 1 in 3 chance of selecting a QB in the 1st round who can get you to the SB vs a 1 in 10 chance selecting a QB in the 2nd round or later who might do the same. For every Brock Purdy or Tom Brady there are 10 other QBs selected who went nowhere.
On that alone I'll take the 1 in 3 chance over the 1 in 10*.
*I'm just spitballing here, the odds are likely worse than even that. index and
Unfortunately, all the statistical stuff is a nice mental exercise to go through (and fun to discuss). But well over 90% of this stuff is simply a correlation between two things (events, actions, measurements, whatever). And there is no guarantee that there is anything more than a simple random association between the two. If you have a correlative relationship between two things, there is a potentially enormous amount of work needed to establish that there even a true association between the two.
One of my other pastimes in my retirement has been in the true crime and, to a lesser extent, an interest in forensic psychology. There is currently a minor storm of interest between the comparative lengths of your ring and index fingers and psychotic behavior. It may sound crazy, but it is really going on (link, link, etc). Personally, I suspect this is just one of the random associations. Maybe if they find a common DNA sequence in your genome for both. But short of that, I simply find the discussion somewhat amusing and, in all likelihood, pointless.
But, back to football, I am sure there are some really telling things that can accurately identify factors for success in NFL QBs. But it seems that they are much deeper and require a huge amount of time and effort to identify. I am still going through the link that someone here (brasilbear ??) posted on YT about Caleb WIlliams (link). It is over an hour long and is extremely detailed (and can be very tedious to watch). But this is the kind of work needed to determine if a prospect will be successful or not. And unfortunately, not much else wil do.
Given that there are literally dozens and dozens of QBs selected outside of the 1st round in past years that makes the likelihood you'll win a SB with one selected in later rounds even less. The difference would be like a 1 in 3 chance of selecting a QB in the 1st round who can get you to the SB vs a 1 in 10 chance selecting a QB in the 2nd round or later who might do the same. For every Brock Purdy or Tom Brady there are 10 other QBs selected who went nowhere.
On that alone I'll take the 1 in 3 chance over the 1 in 10*.
*I'm just spitballing here, the odds are likely worse than even that. index and
Unfortunately, all the statistical stuff is a nice mental exercise to go through (and fun to discuss). But well over 90% of this stuff is simply a correlation between two things (events, actions, measurements, whatever). And there is no guarantee that there is anything more than a simple random association between the two. If you have a correlative relationship between two things, there is a potentially enormous amount of work needed to establish that there even a true association between the two.
One of my other pastimes in my retirement has been in the true crime and, to a lesser extent, an interest in forensic psychology. There is currently a minor storm of interest between the comparative lengths of your ring and index fingers and psychotic behavior. It may sound crazy, but it is really going on (link, link, etc). Personally, I suspect this is just one of the random associations. Maybe if they find a common DNA sequence in your genome for both. But short of that, I simply find the discussion somewhat amusing and, in all likelihood, pointless.
But, back to football, I am sure there are some really telling things that can accurately identify factors for success in NFL QBs. But it seems that they are much deeper and require a huge amount of time and effort to identify. I am still going through the link that someone here (brasilbear ??) posted on YT about Caleb WIlliams (link). It is over an hour long and is extremely detailed (and can be very tedious to watch). But this is the kind of work needed to determine if a prospect will be successful or not. And unfortunately, not much else wil do.
Please get these intrepid researchers onto a link between thumb web shape and NFL QB SB winners. We need to get a leg up on the other scouts before they figure this out
Unfortunately, all the statistical stuff is a nice mental exercise to go through (and fun to discuss). But well over 90% of this stuff is simply a correlation between two things (events, actions, measurements, whatever). And there is no guarantee that there is anything more than a simple random association between the two. If you have a correlative relationship between two things, there is a potentially enormous amount of work needed to establish that there even a true association between the two.
One of my other pastimes in my retirement has been in the true crime and, to a lesser extent, an interest in forensic psychology. There is currently a minor storm of interest between the comparative lengths of your ring and index fingers and psychotic behavior. It may sound crazy, but it is really going on (link, link, etc). Personally, I suspect this is just one of the random associations. Maybe if they find a common DNA sequence in your genome for both. But short of that, I simply find the discussion somewhat amusing and, in all likelihood, pointless.
But, back to football, I am sure there are some really telling things that can accurately identify factors for success in NFL QBs. But it seems that they are much deeper and require a huge amount of time and effort to identify. I am still going through the link that someone here (brasilbear ??) posted on YT about Caleb WIlliams (link). It is over an hour long and is extremely detailed (and can be very tedious to watch). But this is the kind of work needed to determine if a prospect will be successful or not. And unfortunately, not much else wil do.
Please get these intrepid researchers onto a link between thumb web shape and NFL QB SB winners. We need to get a leg up on the other scouts before they figure this out
My wife recently retired from teaching in a local public high school. I showed this finger stuff to her, and she laughed so hard that I thought she was going pee. We both instantly had thought that if this caught on that school psychologists will start measuring kids' fingers lengths and referring them for counseling.
Given that there are literally dozens and dozens of QBs selected outside of the 1st round in past years that makes the likelihood you'll win a SB with one selected in later rounds even less. The difference would be like a 1 in 3 chance of selecting a QB in the 1st round who can get you to the SB vs a 1 in 10 chance selecting a QB in the 2nd round or later who might do the same. For every Brock Purdy or Tom Brady there are 10 other QBs selected who went nowhere.
On that alone I'll take the 1 in 3 chance over the 1 in 10*.
*I'm just spitballing here, the odds are likely worse than even that. index and
Unfortunately, all the statistical stuff is a nice mental exercise to go through (and fun to discuss). But well over 90% of this stuff is simply a correlation between two things (events, actions, measurements, whatever). And there is no guarantee that there is anything more than a simple random association between the two. If you have a correlative relationship between two things, there is a potentially enormous amount of work needed to establish that there even a true association between the two.
This is a dodge. There are certainly things you can pull out statistically if you are careful in your comparisons and observations. And if you're so worried about it then maybe don't make your point with percentages that you yourself admit are weak and of little value.
Unfortunately, all the statistical stuff is a nice mental exercise to go through (and fun to discuss). But well over 90% of this stuff is simply a correlation between two things (events, actions, measurements, whatever). And there is no guarantee that there is anything more than a simple random association between the two. If you have a correlative relationship between two things, there is a potentially enormous amount of work needed to establish that there even a true association between the two.
One of my other pastimes in my retirement has been in the true crime and, to a lesser extent, an interest in forensic psychology. There is currently a minor storm of interest between the comparative lengths of your ring and index fingers and psychotic behavior. It may sound crazy, but it is really going on (link, link, etc). Personally, I suspect this is just one of the random associations. Maybe if they find a common DNA sequence in your genome for both. But short of that, I simply find the discussion somewhat amusing and, in all likelihood, pointless.
But, back to football, I am sure there are some really telling things that can accurately identify factors for success in NFL QBs. But it seems that they are much deeper and require a huge amount of time and effort to identify. I am still going through the link that someone here (brasilbear ??) posted on YT about Caleb WIlliams (link). It is over an hour long and is extremely detailed (and can be very tedious to watch). But this is the kind of work needed to determine if a prospect will be successful or not. And unfortunately, not much else wil do.
Please get these intrepid researchers onto a link between thumb web shape and NFL QB SB winners. We need to get a leg up on the other scouts before they figure this out
There has to some truth to this finger psychotic thing as we all know what arm length and OL success correlate to.