Reality check. According to the sacred chart, Washington should trade 400 points and Pats 800 points. Of course, their GM might be stupid enough to do what the Panthers did.
Chart goes out the window when QB's are involved.
+1 We have seen GMs do some pretty crazy things trying to get a QB1.
Thats interesting...but I'd also point out that none the QB's that guy talks about had the hype C. Williams has coming out. Sean Payton called Williams a "generational talent"...not some mo-mo...Sean Payton. Usually the team with the #1 pick holds onto it and drafts that kind of QB...but this is a different deal...so I'm curious, if a trade occurs, what it will end up looking like, especially if a bidding war ensues.
Reality check. According to the sacred chart, Washington should trade 400 points and Pats 800 points. Of course, their GM might be stupid enough to do what the Panthers did.
Chart goes out the window when QB's are involved.
The point differences are for a hypothetical "standard" trading situation. If you are a GM and you are at a point where you hold the only possible pick to guarantee a given player for another team, that team's GM may make an offer that exceeds the "standard" point difference.
The need for a QB is the obvious situation to use. But it could be one of the higher value positions (like OT, DE/Edge, etc), but these wouldn't yield anything really in excess. Just some more.
But you are right in the sense that if we are auctioning off the guaranteed ability to get a QB prospect like Caleb Williams and there are 4 - 7 teams who really, really have to have a good QB, and Caleb is head and shoulders better than everyone else, anything is possible. That's why I have used the possibility that we could swap 1st rounders with Washington and get their second round pick and maybe even someone off their DL like Jonathan Allen, Chase Young or Daron Payne.
It would give us the ability to have a top 5 defense as well as really stack our OL and Safety as well.
Thats interesting...but I'd also point out that none the QB's that guy talks about had the hype C. Williams has coming out. Sean Payton called Williams a "generational talent"...not some mo-mo...Sean Payton. Usually the team with the #1 pick holds onto it and drafts that kind of QB...but this is a different deal...so I'm curious, if a trade occurs, what it will end up looking like, especially if a bidding war ensues.
Is it just me feeling the pain that two of the most egregious examples used are the two Ryan Pace overpays to get Trubisky and Fields.
The point differences are for a hypothetical "standard" trading situation. If you are a GM and you are at a point where you hold the only possible pick to guarantee a given player for another team, that team's GM may make an offer that exceeds the "standard" point difference.
The need for a QB is the obvious situation to use. But it could be one of the higher value positions (like OT, DE/Edge, etc), but these wouldn't yield anything really in excess. Just some more.
But you are right in the sense that if we are auctioning off the guaranteed ability to get a QB prospect like Caleb Williams and there are 4 - 7 teams who really, really have to have a good QB, and Caleb is head and shoulders better than everyone else, anything is possible. That's why I have used the possibility that we could swap 1st rounders with Washington and get their second round pick and maybe even someone off their DL like Jonathan Allen, Chase Young or Daron Payne.
It would give us the ability to have a top 5 defense as well as really stack our OL and Safety as well.
I don't see the commanders giving up a Dline player. They just let go of Sweat and Young this year.
Thats interesting...but I'd also point out that none the QB's that guy talks about had the hype C. Williams has coming out. Sean Payton called Williams a "generational talent"...not some mo-mo...Sean Payton. Usually the team with the #1 pick holds onto it and drafts that kind of QB...but this is a different deal...so I'm curious, if a trade occurs, what it will end up looking like, especially if a bidding war ensues.
Is it just me feeling the pain that two of the most egregious examples used are the two Ryan Pace overpays to get Trubisky and Fields.
I say the more egregious ones are the moves for Gabbert and Darnold lol
Broderick Jones has allowed 3 sacks and 2 penalties in over 700 snaps. He doesn’t have a glaring weakness as far as I can see, and I’ve studied him in a few games.
He is a good player without Wright's ceiling. JMO.
I got into this with a guy on the Seahawks board. He is a PFF junkie, and a full subscriber to the service. PFF ranks all offensive tackles.
There are (obviously) 64 starting tackles. Wright ranks #55. Brax ranks #29. Broderick Jones ranks#52. As you say, it can all change next year, but that’s how they rank today.
He is a good player without Wright's ceiling. JMO.
I got into this with a guy on the Seahawks board. He is a PFF junkie, and a full subscriber to the service. PFF ranks all offensive tackles.
There are (obviously) 64 starting tackles. Wright ranks #55. Brax ranks #29. Broderick Jones ranks#52. As you say, it can all change next year, but that’s how they rank today.
I am also a full subscriber to PFF and have been for some time now. I like reading what they have on the players. But I do take it with a big grain of salt - in particular with offensive lineman grades. There have been a number of times over the years where they are so far off on a player that it is embarrassing (for them). They have had some of our Bears linemen graded in the past as one of the highest at their position - when they were so bad the Bears got rid of them (they sucked) but PFF thought they were one of the better OL in the entire NFL that year. I still read what they have on players but I do factor in what I can see with my own eyes. It doesn't mean I know anything more than PFF. I don't. But I do trust my own eyes more than PFF on offensive linemen performance in particular. And as I have said many times here, that when it comes to young players I try to "see" what they can be, rather than worry about how they are performing now and over-reacting to rookie mistakes stuff. The learning curve for OL is a steep one that is more difficult than most NFL positions. It takes time for these guys to reach their full potential. Anyway that's my personal way of looking at it. And it doesn't make me right about any of this. Although I have been right more about offensive linemen than any of the other positions on the Bears. For whatever worth THAT is, LOL. I have no worry about Wright. I truly believe that he will be a top T in the NFL and elite. I suspect it will be in year 3 (and Brax needs until his own year 3 to really be near his ceiling). Again, this is just my personal opinion and not worth anything to anyone else.
I got into this with a guy on the Seahawks board. He is a PFF junkie, and a full subscriber to the service. PFF ranks all offensive tackles.
There are (obviously) 64 starting tackles. Wright ranks #55. Brax ranks #29. Broderick Jones ranks#52. As you say, it can all change next year, but that’s how they rank today.
I am also a full subscriber to PFF and have been for some time now. I like reading what they have on the players. But I do take it with a big grain of salt - in particular with offensive lineman grades. There have been a number of times over the years where they are so far off on a player that it is embarrassing (for them). They have had some of our Bears linemen graded in the past as one of the highest at their position - when they were so bad the Bears got rid of them (they sucked) but PFF thought they were one of the better OL in the entire NFL that year. I still read what they have on players but I do factor in what I can see with my own eyes. It doesn't mean I know anything more than PFF. I don't. But I do trust my own eyes more than PFF on offensive linemen performance in particular. And as I have said many times here, that when it comes to young players I try to "see" what they can be, rather than worry about how they are performing now and over-reacting to rookie mistakes stuff. The learning curve for OL is a steep one that is more difficult than most NFL positions. It takes time for these guys to reach their full potential. Anyway that's my personal way of looking at it. And it doesn't make me right about any of this. Although I have been right more about offensive linemen than any of the other positions on the Bears. For whatever worth THAT is, LOL. I have no worry about Wright. I truly believe that he will be a top T in the NFL and elite. I suspect it will be in year 3 (and Brax needs until his own year 3 to really be near his ceiling). Again, this is just my personal opinion and not worth anything to anyone else.
As I told Ric awhile back, some PFF components like “pressures” and “hurries” are subjective, but others like tackles, sacks, penalties are objective facts.
I have my own prediction for Wright. He will eventually get transitioned to guard like Jenkins. He would be better at that position.
