The failure of the play itself was 100% on Scott. Fields throw a beautiful ball there. The series as a whole was a Getsy shitfest.
This ^^^^^
That series is a snapshot of our offense since Luke Getsy arrived here in Chicago. The play calling was totally bizarre stuff. It defies logic. I'm still a bit in shock by how bad that play calling was in such a critical game situation. It was just gift-wrapping the win and handing it to the Detroit Lions.
Other than D.J. Moore this is what the Bears have at WR ^^^^^
A QB has to count on a player being where he needs to be, and when he needs to be there - for these passes to work. I thought Mooney would be good now that DJ is on the team, but he just disappears. Equanimeous St. Brown, Velus Jones, Tyler Scott, Trent Taylor... these are "nothing people" as receivers. All defenses need to do is take DJ out and the play is dead. It makes you want to cry it's so sad... and what was Getsy thinking putting the game on Scott in that situation with trying to hit the long-ball? LOL. It was crazy. Why not just hit the short, high percentage pass and move the chains there? Right?
This is why I want us to get Marvin Harrison Jr. I wouldn't even care if we used the #1 overall pick for him. We need more than one person to throw the ball too. I'm glad you're starting to realize Mooney isn't the answer. Some people want to pay him 10 million dollars to disappear on the field.
I agree. If the Bears fail to go all-in on getting an elite WR in this draft then there is no hope for this franchise getting better. And surely the Bears will invest in the C position - again, go all in and get the very best you can get there. No more of these tired worn-out deadbeat veterans. Bring in a rookie with elite ceiling. Do whatever it takes to fix that IOL by anchoring it with the best center you can possibly get in the 2024 draft. It would be fine if folks want to pursue a FA vet for that first season as the rookie transitions to the NFL. But let's fix that C position for the next decade by getting an elite C --- that center is the very heart-and-soul of the interior OL. Our two Super Bowl appearances had offensive lines anchored by the best C's that I've seen in my time as a Bears fan, Jay Hilgenburg and Olin Kreutz. Each of them anchored the OL for more than a decade - and were Pro Bowl level countless years here. They elevated the play of the unit, the entire OL unit. That C position has a ROI (return on investment) that is as good as any position in football. If your OL is rotten at the center then you're screwed... we have seen that to the point it makes me sick to watch. Yesterday running up the middle when the game was on the line was great example (stupid play call to begin with but we'd at least have had a chance of converting if the C wasn't totally a screwed position with an impotent blocker there). SMH.
1. Draft a WR who can be an elite talent here for the next decade.
2. Draft a C who can be an elite talent here for the next decade.
I don't blame Scott for the loss. It was a play he needed to make and with plays at the end of a close game being magnified in importance AND it being such a visible failure on his part (DJMoore, THill, AJBrown, DAdams...+ many others all make that catch) naturally his name is going to come up a lot. Same with Jackson letting Addison get behind him 30+ yards down field, JJ dropping two pick 6s (although if he could catch he'd be a WR--isn't that the saying?) Fields being strip sacked, Wright picking the worst possible time to not block the DE and Getsy not recognizing the importance of providing a chip block in that situation. Individual failures and plays not working in a close game are magnified.
The DEF should never have allowed the game to get to that point. The prevent DEF did exactly what we all laugh about--prevented the Bears from winning. That is 100% on Flus. The OFF play calling when the game was on the line is 100% on Getsy.
Scott is just a player who was put into a spot and couldn't/didn't make the play. I'm just impressed someone in the media talked to him. I'm still waiting for a Bears reporter to ask Conte about why he decided to not cover Cobb.
I think it has more to do with the person passing it to them and the play calling around it. I mean why were passing to a rookie receiver on low a percentage throw in the first place?
They have very poor talent on the team at WR. Teams understand that if they blanket DJ Moore then we have nothing at WR. Nothing.
People are getting this figured out. Nobody wanted to draft JSN. Nobody wanted to pick up a vet WR (Hopkins, Ridley, etc.) to give Fields another reliable target. The whole plan was that Claypool and Mooney would show something different in 2023 than they showed in 2022. This is one more indicator of Poles incompetence.
Jalen Ramsey shutdown corner was also available. He had two interceptions yesterday. Other teams get quality players in FA. Poles went into it with $100M and look what we got.
So I don't want to see Bears fandom rip itself apart over whose to blame. So much hate being leveled at Scott right now for slowing down. Personally, I think he lost the ball. But screaming about Scott is wrong because... are you with me?
It should have never come to that play in the first place.
Two straight dive plays into a defense playing 9 men in the box?
Keep this in mind. Scott has been pretty impressive for a later round draft pick. Calling him Velus 2.0 is a bit ridiculous.
I blame the coaching staff (with a heavy emphasis on Getsy, just for that series).
And Fields... geebus, if there was EVER a time to audible into those asinine screen plays...
And I am completely disappointed with Eberflus.
I mean, what's up with the pass protect and conservative game plan there? You're 3-7, dude! It's not like you're in danger of losing your wild card spot. You have nothing to lose but the game and if you're going to lose that, lose it going for the win. That was incompetent and amateurish coaching. And you can save the whole "players were excited that they were going for the big play." That's a lie and I'm not buying it. You weren't going for the win. Your OC called a chunk play to Moore because the previous run play ran straight into the defense for no gain.
Twice.
Scott is getting the heat because Moore was covered and he failed to make the reception. But it's stupid to blame him for the loss.
The Bears don't have the roster to play with the Lions on the regular. In this game, they were playing way above themselves and that's a great thing. It means they still believe.
But this loss would be a LOT easier to digest if the coaching staff hadn't turned scaredy-cat and assumed the fetal position.
It's a relatively minor point on the bomb to Scott. Did he cause the loss? Of course not. But he did fail to secure the win. He should have made the damn play. You're a professional football receiver, right? Then stop making excuses and make the damn play!
The play was called trying to catch them off guard. DJ Moore was the 1st read but the safety jumped his route. Scott was the secondary read and beat his cover with straight-line speed. The fact that he's a 4th round rookie probably helped him win as the D probably didn't take him too seriously as a target there. You can't design every throw to go exclusively to DJ Moore -- the defense is keying on him.
It was a perfect throw. The Bears have practiced that play "plenty" per Jahns. No excuses for any receiver, rookie or not, to give up on a route and slow walk it there. If he just keeps running instead of getting lazy, the ball lands in his hands for a game-winning first down, if not an easy TD.
Scott had a game yesterday very reminiscent of Velus' fuckup games last year. He was a liability rather than an asset to his team and his QB. Is it too much to ask for a mid-round rookie WR to actually track the ball in flight and secure a perfect throw? If it is, then you drafted yet another track athlete who sucks at actual football. And that's my main concern, not that Scott "lost the game" by himself.
[Note: None of the above excuses in any way the coaching screwups which were far more serious and pervasive in the 4th Q yesterday. Getsy & Flus turtled up and blew a big lead in an inexcusably pathetic way.]
Classic Bears here -- the coaches suck at their job of putting players in the best positions to succeed and, when they do happen to be in position, too often the players **** up and fail to make the play. Welcome to a 6-21 football organization.
This was obvious at the time to even the dumbest meatball fan. I posted it before the play(s) were run in the Shoutbox at the time.
ANYTHING ELSE except a run between the tackles would have worked better there. Yet, no one thought to change the play. Hell, call a goddam timeout and change it if you have to.
Man, this has to be the dumbest and most inept football operation in the NFL right now. At least Carolina has the rookie QB excuse.
Other than D.J. Moore this is what the Bears have at WR ^^^^^
A QB has to count on a player being where he needs to be, and when he needs to be there - for these passes to work. I thought Mooney would be good now that DJ is on the team, but he just disappears. Equanimeous St. Brown, Velus Jones, Tyler Scott, Trent Taylor... these are "nothing people" as receivers. All defenses need to do is take DJ out and the play is dead. It makes you want to cry it's so sad... and what was Getsy thinking putting the game on Scott in that situation with trying to hit the long-ball? LOL. It was crazy. Why not just hit the short, high percentage pass and move the chains there? Right?
This is why I want us to get Marvin Harrison Jr. I wouldn't even care if we used the #1 overall pick for him. We need more than one person to throw the ball too. I'm glad you're starting to realize Mooney isn't the answer. Some people want to pay him 10 million dollars to disappear on the field.
Thats the going rate for #3 receivers in the league. I already showed you that.
You are assuming Getsy gave him a kill play to check into. It's possible Getsy deserves both these deflated balls.
I admit it is possible. That would be even more damning on Getsy's scheme if it's a unkillable play.
But...Bagent changed the play multiple times when he played as a UDFA rookie from a tiny school. I find it hard to believe that Fields wouldn't have this authority.
Hey, I'm just a dumb fan but even I was screaming at my TV that Detroit was selling out to stop the run and packing the box. IT WAS OBVIOUS.
Zero creativity and zero killer instinct there by the coaching staff and Fields should have changed both those calls at the line.
Could also depend on the formation they were in. There might not have been a pass play to check to or one that would have worked based on what the defense was showing. There's more to it than just "check to a pass play...any pass play."
I admit it is possible. That would be even more damning on Getsy's scheme if it's a unkillable play.
But...Bagent changed the play multiple times when he played as a UDFA rookie from a tiny school. I find it hard to believe that Fields wouldn't have this authority.
Hey, I'm just a dumb fan but even I was screaming at my TV that Detroit was selling out to stop the run and packing the box. IT WAS OBVIOUS.
Zero creativity and zero killer instinct there by the coaching staff and Fields should have changed both those calls at the line.
Could also depend on the formation they were in. There might not have been a pass play to check to or one that would have worked based on what the defense was showing. There's more to it than just "check to a pass play...any pass play."
I have seen veteran QBs call timeouts when a play is called in that obviously can’t work. Better than just wasting a play.
They have very poor talent on the team at WR. Teams understand that if they blanket DJ Moore then we have nothing at WR. Nothing.
People are getting this figured out. Nobody wanted to draft JSN. Nobody wanted to pick up a vet WR (Hopkins, Ridley, etc.) to give Fields another reliable target. The whole plan was that Claypool and Mooney would show something different in 2023 than they showed in 2022. This is one more indicator of Poles incompetence.
Jalen Ramsey shutdown corner was also available. He had two interceptions yesterday. Other teams get quality players in FA. Poles went into it with $100M and look what we got.
Ramsey was not a FA...he was traded from the Rams to the Dolphins because he wanted to play for a contender. He would not have come to Chicago. He then agreed to a contract extension with Miami to lower his cap number. Again, not a viable option for Poles or the Bears.
And its not that nobody wanted to draft JSN. I talked all pre-draft about how much I liked JSN, but we needed an offensive lineman. Wright was the RIGHT pick and he's proved it.