Maybe I'm crazy (I am a White Sox fan so....) but I just can't see a scenario where Cutler is here next season.
Cutler is gone because Pace wants a new QB (rookie/FA) to have a clear path to the starting job. Cutler is gone because Fox wants Hoyer to start giving Fox a way to win games playing ball control with little risk.
About the only way I see Cutler here is if there is no one in the draft Pace likes and Pace forces Cutler on to Fox.
I keep batting around a post about how Pace/Fox/fans all see and value the future differently. Maybe when I can finally get settled in tonight I'll string something together.
Why does Cutler have to go though. If they felt they had to start a rookie QB they could still do that and keep Cutler. Just look at what Seattle did not too long ago. The Seahawks paid a bunch of money to get Matt Flynn and ended up starting Wilson over him. Worked out well too.
I just have this feeling that between Cutler and Fox there isn't any relationship left. Fox doesn't want Cutler around and Cutler isn't going to play for Fox if he can help it. This is where Pace earns his money going forward.
Remember I don't know anything about conversations inside Halas Hall. I'm making all this up as I go along.
You're going to be waiting a while then. Unless something changes the QBs in the 2017 draft are marginal prospects at best. What's worse is many teams are still hungry for any new QB they can get. So it's likely any QBs with any upside at all will be taken early leaving little to no talent in the latter rounds.
It seems like we hear every year how bad the QB draft class is. But it's not always an accurate prediction. If Pace is the "real deal" as a GM, then he needs to be able to draft - especially at QB. Yes, it's not easy to draft well in the NFL. But if Pace can't get it done as our GM then we need somebody who can.
Cutler won't last forever. And frankly, if Pace won't even try to draft the position, then of course we'll never get a franchise QB. And I'm tired of the old David Fales, Nathan Enderle, Dan LeFevour types. Wannabee's. If we truly want a franchise QB then we have to pony-up a high draft pick.
For some perspective let's look at the two drafts we traded our first rounders to get Cutler. I know people still grumble about the trade but look what our choices would have been had we used one of those picks on a QB. Do you see anyone in there other than maybe Stafford, or Bradford even, that you would like as a QB? And both of those guys were no. 1 picks.
2009 Draft
1 1 Detroit Lions Matthew Stafford † QB Georgia SEC 1 5 New York Jets Mark Sanchez QB USC Pac-10 from Cleveland [R1 - 1] 1 17 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Josh Freeman QB Kansas State Big 12 from New York Jets via Cleveland[R1 - 2] 2 44 Miami Dolphins Pat White QB West Virginia Big East from Washington [R2 - 6] 4 101 Dallas Cowboys Stephen McGee QB Texas A&M Big 12 from Detroit [R4 - 1] 5 151 New York Giants Rhett Bomar QB Sam Houston St. Southland from New Orleans[R5 - 7] 5* 171 San Francisco 49ers Nate Davis QB Ball State MAC 6 174 Denver Broncos Tom Brandstater QB Fresno State WAC from Detroit 6 178 Seattle Seahawks Mike Teel QB Rutgers Big East 6 196 St. Louis Rams Keith Null QB West Texas A&M Lone Star from Atlanta[R6 - 10] 6 201 Indianapolis Colts Curtis Painter QB Purdue Big Ten
2010 Draft
1 1 St. Louis Rams Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma Big 12 1 25 Denver Broncos Tim Tebow QB Florida SEC from Baltimore [R1 - 8] 2 48 Carolina Panthers Jimmy Clausen QB Notre Dame Ind. (FBS) 3 85 Cleveland Browns Colt McCoy QB Texas Big 12 from New England via Oakland[R3 - 4] 4 122 Philadelphia Eagles Mike Kafka QB Northwestern Big Ten from Green Bay[R4 - 12] 5 155 Arizona Cardinals John Skelton QB Fordham Patriot from Philadelphia via New York Jets and Pittsburgh[R5 - 13] 5* 168 San Diego Chargers Jonathan Crompton QB Tennessee SEC 6 176 Tennessee Titans Rusty Smith QB Florida Atlantic Sun Belt from Seattle[R6 - 5] 6 181 Chicago Bears Dan LeFevour QB Central Michigan MAC 6 199 Minnesota Vikings Joe Webb QB UAB C-USA 6* 204 Carolina Panthers Tony Pike QB Cincinnati Big East 7 209 Buffalo Bills Levi Brown QB Troy Sun Belt from Detroit [R7 - 2] 7 239 New Orleans Saints Sean Canfield QB Oregon State Pac-10 7* 250 New England Patriots Zac Robinson QB Oklahoma State Big 12
I want a great QB too but finding one is not just knowing when to pull the trigger but also a fair amount of luck. We can certainly draft some QBs and hope for the best, but you're going to want to hold on to Cutler as long as possible because the odds are heavily stacked against finding someone in the draft better then him whatever his faults.
Regardless whether Pace has an eye for talent for talent or not, that QB may end up getting drafted by someone else before he can do anything. Sometimes there are no good options.
It seems like we hear every year how bad the QB draft class is. But it's not always an accurate prediction. If Pace is the "real deal" as a GM, then he needs to be able to draft - especially at QB. Yes, it's not easy to draft well in the NFL. But if Pace can't get it done as our GM then we need somebody who can.
Cutler won't last forever. And frankly, if Pace won't even try to draft the position, then of course we'll never get a franchise QB. And I'm tired of the old David Fales, Nathan Enderle, Dan LeFevour types. Wannabee's. If we truly want a franchise QB then we have to pony-up a high draft pick.
For some perspective let's look at the two drafts we traded our first rounders to get Cutler. I know people still grumble about the trade but look what our choices would have been had we used one of those picks on a QB. Do you see anyone in there other than maybe Stafford, or Bradford even, that you would like as a QB? And both of those guys were no. 1 picks.
2009 Draft
1 1 Detroit Lions Matthew Stafford † QB Georgia SEC 1 5 New York Jets Mark Sanchez QB USC Pac-10 from Cleveland [R1 - 1] 1 17 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Josh Freeman QB Kansas State Big 12 from New York Jets via Cleveland[R1 - 2] 2 44 Miami Dolphins Pat White QB West Virginia Big East from Washington [R2 - 6] 4 101 Dallas Cowboys Stephen McGee QB Texas A&M Big 12 from Detroit [R4 - 1] 5 151 New York Giants Rhett Bomar QB Sam Houston St. Southland from New Orleans[R5 - 7] 5* 171 San Francisco 49ers Nate Davis QB Ball State MAC 6 174 Denver Broncos Tom Brandstater QB Fresno State WAC from Detroit 6 178 Seattle Seahawks Mike Teel QB Rutgers Big East 6 196 St. Louis Rams Keith Null QB West Texas A&M Lone Star from Atlanta[R6 - 10] 6 201 Indianapolis Colts Curtis Painter QB Purdue Big Ten
2010 Draft
1 1 St. Louis Rams Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma Big 12 1 25 Denver Broncos Tim Tebow QB Florida SEC from Baltimore [R1 - 8] 2 48 Carolina Panthers Jimmy Clausen QB Notre Dame Ind. (FBS) 3 85 Cleveland Browns Colt McCoy QB Texas Big 12 from New England via Oakland[R3 - 4] 4 122 Philadelphia Eagles Mike Kafka QB Northwestern Big Ten from Green Bay[R4 - 12] 5 155 Arizona Cardinals John Skelton QB Fordham Patriot from Philadelphia via New York Jets and Pittsburgh[R5 - 13] 5* 168 San Diego Chargers Jonathan Crompton QB Tennessee SEC 6 176 Tennessee Titans Rusty Smith QB Florida Atlantic Sun Belt from Seattle[R6 - 5] 6 181 Chicago Bears Dan LeFevour QB Central Michigan MAC 6 199 Minnesota Vikings Joe Webb QB UAB C-USA 6* 204 Carolina Panthers Tony Pike QB Cincinnati Big East 7 209 Buffalo Bills Levi Brown QB Troy Sun Belt from Detroit [R7 - 2] 7 239 New Orleans Saints Sean Canfield QB Oregon State Pac-10 7* 250 New England Patriots Zac Robinson QB Oklahoma State Big 12
I want a great QB too but finding one is not just knowing when to pull the trigger but also a fair amount of luck. We can certainly draft some QBs and hope for the best, but you're going to want to hold on to Cutler as long as possible because the odds are heavily stacked against finding someone in the draft better then him whatever his faults.
Regardless whether Pace has an eye for talent for talent or not, that QB may end up getting drafted by someone else before he can do anything. Sometimes there are no good options.
That's my whole thing with QBs. you almost have to be in the top 2 to get a good one. When there is a good one. And you actually know who the good one is.
It seems like we hear every year how bad the QB draft class is. But it's not always an accurate prediction. If Pace is the "real deal" as a GM, then he needs to be able to draft - especially at QB. Yes, it's not easy to draft well in the NFL. But if Pace can't get it done as our GM then we need somebody who can.
Cutler won't last forever. And frankly, if Pace won't even try to draft the position, then of course we'll never get a franchise QB. And I'm tired of the old David Fales, Nathan Enderle, Dan LeFevour types. Wannabee's. If we truly want a franchise QB then we have to pony-up a high draft pick.
For some perspective let's look at the two drafts we traded our first rounders to get Cutler. I know people still grumble about the trade but look what our choices would have been had we used one of those picks on a QB. Do you see anyone in there other than maybe Stafford, or Bradford even, that you would like as a QB? And both of those guys were no. 1 picks.
2009 Draft
1 1 Detroit Lions Matthew Stafford † QB Georgia SEC 1 5 New York Jets Mark Sanchez QB USC Pac-10 from Cleveland [R1 - 1] 1 17 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Josh Freeman QB Kansas State Big 12 from New York Jets via Cleveland[R1 - 2] 2 44 Miami Dolphins Pat White QB West Virginia Big East from Washington [R2 - 6] 4 101 Dallas Cowboys Stephen McGee QB Texas A&M Big 12 from Detroit [R4 - 1] 5 151 New York Giants Rhett Bomar QB Sam Houston St. Southland from New Orleans[R5 - 7] 5* 171 San Francisco 49ers Nate Davis QB Ball State MAC 6 174 Denver Broncos Tom Brandstater QB Fresno State WAC from Detroit 6 178 Seattle Seahawks Mike Teel QB Rutgers Big East 6 196 St. Louis Rams Keith Null QB West Texas A&M Lone Star from Atlanta[R6 - 10] 6 201 Indianapolis Colts Curtis Painter QB Purdue Big Ten
2010 Draft
1 1 St. Louis Rams Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma Big 12 1 25 Denver Broncos Tim Tebow QB Florida SEC from Baltimore [R1 - 8] 2 48 Carolina Panthers Jimmy Clausen QB Notre Dame Ind. (FBS) 3 85 Cleveland Browns Colt McCoy QB Texas Big 12 from New England via Oakland[R3 - 4] 4 122 Philadelphia Eagles Mike Kafka QB Northwestern Big Ten from Green Bay[R4 - 12] 5 155 Arizona Cardinals John Skelton QB Fordham Patriot from Philadelphia via New York Jets and Pittsburgh[R5 - 13] 5* 168 San Diego Chargers Jonathan Crompton QB Tennessee SEC 6 176 Tennessee Titans Rusty Smith QB Florida Atlantic Sun Belt from Seattle[R6 - 5] 6 181 Chicago Bears Dan LeFevour QB Central Michigan MAC 6 199 Minnesota Vikings Joe Webb QB UAB C-USA 6* 204 Carolina Panthers Tony Pike QB Cincinnati Big East 7 209 Buffalo Bills Levi Brown QB Troy Sun Belt from Detroit [R7 - 2] 7 239 New Orleans Saints Sean Canfield QB Oregon State Pac-10 7* 250 New England Patriots Zac Robinson QB Oklahoma State Big 12
I want a great QB too but finding one is not just knowing when to pull the trigger but also a fair amount of luck. We can certainly draft some QBs and hope for the best, but you're going to want to hold on to Cutler as long as possible because the odds are heavily stacked against finding someone in the draft better then him whatever his faults.
Regardless whether Pace has an eye for talent for talent or not, that QB may end up getting drafted by someone else before he can do anything. Sometimes there are no good options.
I agree that sometimes there are no good options. It's never a sure thing drafting any position, and certainly QB is tough. But I figure you don't wait until you are in a crisis to HAVE to replace Cutler. Dak Prescott looks pretty darned good... 4th rounder last draft. Garoppolo, late 2nd round. Right this minute I'm watching 3rd rounder, Russell Wilson put on a clinic on Monday Night Football.
These guys are getting drafted by other teams. Why not us? Why? I don't want to wait until Cutty is on an aluminum walker before we decide to draft a QB.
For some perspective let's look at the two drafts we traded our first rounders to get Cutler. I know people still grumble about the trade but look what our choices would have been had we used one of those picks on a QB. Do you see anyone in there other than maybe Stafford, or Bradford even, that you would like as a QB? And both of those guys were no. 1 picks.
2009 Draft
1 1 Detroit Lions Matthew Stafford † QB Georgia SEC 1 5 New York Jets Mark Sanchez QB USC Pac-10 from Cleveland [R1 - 1] 1 17 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Josh Freeman QB Kansas State Big 12 from New York Jets via Cleveland[R1 - 2] 2 44 Miami Dolphins Pat White QB West Virginia Big East from Washington [R2 - 6] 4 101 Dallas Cowboys Stephen McGee QB Texas A&M Big 12 from Detroit [R4 - 1] 5 151 New York Giants Rhett Bomar QB Sam Houston St. Southland from New Orleans[R5 - 7] 5* 171 San Francisco 49ers Nate Davis QB Ball State MAC 6 174 Denver Broncos Tom Brandstater QB Fresno State WAC from Detroit 6 178 Seattle Seahawks Mike Teel QB Rutgers Big East 6 196 St. Louis Rams Keith Null QB West Texas A&M Lone Star from Atlanta[R6 - 10] 6 201 Indianapolis Colts Curtis Painter QB Purdue Big Ten
2010 Draft
1 1 St. Louis Rams Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma Big 12 1 25 Denver Broncos Tim Tebow QB Florida SEC from Baltimore [R1 - 8] 2 48 Carolina Panthers Jimmy Clausen QB Notre Dame Ind. (FBS) 3 85 Cleveland Browns Colt McCoy QB Texas Big 12 from New England via Oakland[R3 - 4] 4 122 Philadelphia Eagles Mike Kafka QB Northwestern Big Ten from Green Bay[R4 - 12] 5 155 Arizona Cardinals John Skelton QB Fordham Patriot from Philadelphia via New York Jets and Pittsburgh[R5 - 13] 5* 168 San Diego Chargers Jonathan Crompton QB Tennessee SEC 6 176 Tennessee Titans Rusty Smith QB Florida Atlantic Sun Belt from Seattle[R6 - 5] 6 181 Chicago Bears Dan LeFevour QB Central Michigan MAC 6 199 Minnesota Vikings Joe Webb QB UAB C-USA 6* 204 Carolina Panthers Tony Pike QB Cincinnati Big East 7 209 Buffalo Bills Levi Brown QB Troy Sun Belt from Detroit [R7 - 2] 7 239 New Orleans Saints Sean Canfield QB Oregon State Pac-10 7* 250 New England Patriots Zac Robinson QB Oklahoma State Big 12
I want a great QB too but finding one is not just knowing when to pull the trigger but also a fair amount of luck. We can certainly draft some QBs and hope for the best, but you're going to want to hold on to Cutler as long as possible because the odds are heavily stacked against finding someone in the draft better then him whatever his faults.
Regardless whether Pace has an eye for talent for talent or not, that QB may end up getting drafted by someone else before he can do anything. Sometimes there are no good options.
I agree that sometimes there are no good options. It's never a sure thing drafting any position, and certainly QB is tough. But I figure you don't wait until you are in a crisis to HAVE to replace Cutler. Dak Prescott looks pretty darned good... 4th rounder last draft. Garoppolo, late 2nd round. Right this minute I'm watching 3rd rounder, Russell Wilson put on a clinic on Monday Night Football.
These guys are getting drafted by other teams. Why not us? Why? I don't want to wait until Cutty is on an aluminum walker before we decide to draft a QB.
There is a good chance we already missed the sweet spot in replacing Jay. If Fox is going to stay here,h e seems like he might have made up his mind to go in another direction. Which means that the period to be able to take advantage of a guy playing under Jay is gone. Now it's get thrown to the wolves time for a rookie. That's my take and we'll have to see how the offseason unfolds.
I agree that sometimes there are no good options. It's never a sure thing drafting any position, and certainly QB is tough. But I figure you don't wait until you are in a crisis to HAVE to replace Cutler. Dak Prescott looks pretty darned good... 4th rounder last draft. Garoppolo, late 2nd round. Right this minute I'm watching 3rd rounder, Russell Wilson put on a clinic on Monday Night Football.
These guys are getting drafted by other teams. Why not us? Why? I don't want to wait until Cutty is on an aluminum walker before we decide to draft a QB.
There is a good chance we already missed the sweet spot in replacing Jay. If Fox is going to stay here,h e seems like he might have made up his mind to go in another direction. Which means that the period to be able to take advantage of a guy playing under Jay is gone. Now it's get thrown to the wolves time for a rookie. That's my take and we'll have to see how the offseason unfolds.
A lot depends upon how Cutler performs the 2nd half of this season. He could still be here next year. But I don't think he'll last more than that.
There is a good chance we already missed the sweet spot in replacing Jay. If Fox is going to stay here,h e seems like he might have made up his mind to go in another direction. Which means that the period to be able to take advantage of a guy playing under Jay is gone. Now it's get thrown to the wolves time for a rookie. That's my take and we'll have to see how the offseason unfolds.
A lot depends upon how Cutler performs the 2nd half of this season. He could still be here next year. But I don't think he'll last more than that.
I almost think it will depend more on Fox than Jays performance. I can see Jay performing well and Fox doing a Forte on him. Of course if Jay does badly, that makes it easy for Fox.