They might have the best division record. Depends on how well the Packers do.
I want Pace to have a shot at a top 3 pick. I want him a chance to have many different real options instead of going for whatever is left. A top 3-5 pick will jump start this team.
This year is meaningless. Build for tomorrow.
So any time the Bears start out the fist half of the season with a losing record they should try to tank it for a better draft pick, no matter how talented the team actually is? Never, ever try to tank a season, ever. Always try to win or go find yourself a new profession.
In all fairness, I think the NFL should adopt the NBA Lottery system for the top 5 or 10 draft picks..
The Packers have drafted in the top 5 once in the last 10 years and only twice since the god damn 80's!
The Patriots are known for their ability to swap players out and not miss a beat, and have drafted in the top 6 once in the 2000's.
You can claim that they draft well, which does have truth behind it but neither team has had overly outstanding drafts recently. They keep winning because they're programmed to do it, by continually winning. Believe it or not, when you win you teach other players how to win as well.
Losing is a cancer that takes so much more than a top 3 pick to cure. Yes the Broncos won with a recent top pick, but they also had to go out and fill the roster and pay their dues with a few years of building a winning culture first. Teaching your team, top-to-bottom how to be successful take a lot more than drafting a good player to play one position
Their ability to win depends on their QB.
You really think BB could easily get rid of Jones and Collins two of which were their best defensive players so easily? If he didn't have Brady he would of never attempted those trades. Those are some of the advantages having a HoF QB has.
Panthers, Broncos, Vikings, Cowboys, and Texans all got help by their high draft picks.
Of course the Broncos needed to fill in a team with FA players. They're rebuilding like us. This team doesn't have close to the same talent as these playoff teams have. Build for the future. We have 0 chances at a playoff.
Still missing the point.
By your admission we should be omitting the draft since there in no top end Quarterback in it to make us a competitive team. Its also funny that the Hapless Texans, the 2 win Panthers and the team we just beat are all examples of teams that tanked and "did well by doing it"
Post by shortfacedbear on Nov 1, 2016 21:00:21 GMT -6
Piling up pyrric victories and "being competitive" won't attain a high draft position(s). This season will be quickly forgotten. This is a MULTI year rebuild.
You really think BB could easily get rid of Jones and Collins two of which were their best defensive players so easily? If he didn't have Brady he would of never attempted those trades. Those are some of the advantages having a HoF QB has.
Panthers, Broncos, Vikings, Cowboys, and Texans all got help by their high draft picks.
Of course the Broncos needed to fill in a team with FA players. They're rebuilding like us. This team doesn't have close to the same talent as these playoff teams have. Build for the future. We have 0 chances at a playoff.
Still missing the point.
By your admission we should be omitting the draft since there in no top end Quarterback in it to make us a competitive team. Its also funny that the Hapless Texans, the 2 win Panthers and the team we just beat are all examples of teams that tanked and "did well by doing it"
Did the Panthers not just go to the Super Bowl at 15-1? Texans are leading their division as well...
Ahhh , ain't that just human nature - get all pumped up cuz you slayed the giant , who was fighting with 1 arm tied behind his back ... while forgetting there's more armies to fight who won't be in the same predicament .
Win 1 battle but LOSE the war . A war ur STILL nowhere CLOSE to winning .
It was another meaningless win against an injury depleted opponent that gets us NO CLOSER to actually having the kind of team that's capable of winning the war .
Ahhh , ain't that just human nature - get all pumped up cuz you slayed the giant , who was fighting with 1 arm tied behind his back ... while forgetting there's more armies to fight who won't be in the same predicament .
Win 1 battle but LOSE the war . A war ur STILL nowhere CLOSE to winning .
It was another meaningless win against an injury depleted opponent that gets us NO CLOSER to actually having the kind of team that's capable of winning the war .
That's what I find funny.
We have some here saying this team now is a 6-10 win team after playing the worst offense in the NFL. Sure we beat their defense but it seem like very few of them really came to play that game. Even with a decent QB who has NFL arm strength ( Not another dink and dunk QB ) we could of easily lost. Our secondary coverage was still getting exposed.
Get that draft pick and be prepared next year with the right FA signings.
This team needs to learn how to have one anothers backs and how to win as a team and on Monday night they did just that. For the very first time this season Fox's well worn "next man up" system actually worked and worked very well. That was crossing an important threshold IMHO.
We lacked two Pro Bowl OGs and still found a way to block one of the best defenses in the NFL well enough to have 150 yard rushing performance by a rookie RB and provide the needed protection for Cutler to also have a 250 yard passing game and lead a balanced offense that dominated most of the game.
On defense we were forced to play two rookie FA level CBs after Porter went down and still contained Minny and kept them from scoring until late in the 4th Q. Even that may have been prevented had the rush been a spit second quicker or Bausby had taken away the post with better leverage in his coverage. He got burned plain and simple.
I don't believe in losing to get a higher draft pick when you're a team whose already trying to fight your way out of an ingrained losing culture. Team who do that invariably stay at the bottom despite their higher draft picks while better teams who draft much later remain at the top through having superior scouting, systems, and coaching staffs who can develop talent.
With some obvious exceptions just how much difference is there between a top ten pick and players drafted later in round one or round two? Many of our most productive players have been 2nd round picks while some of our biggest busts or under performers have been high 1st round or top ten picks. Go back over the last 10-15 and compare a few like AJ vs White, Tillman vs Fuller, Whitehair vs CWill, Forte vs Benson.
I will never see the wisdom or mailing in a season for draft position. At this point in time no one even knows who the top prospects will be and whether or not those who are seen that way now will be next April or will remain uninjured until then. Myles and Smith were both top five or top ten picks at this time last year and serious injuries dropped both to round two. So why play an entire season for a shot at a guy who may not end up being worth that top five pick anyway once the draft rolls around?
There are a lot of players on this team who will be on the team you want to see competitive in a year or two, so building a culture of winners is just as, if not more important than picking 3-4 spots higher in April. When you dont have a winning culture, it's one of the hardest things to try and get back
Just ask the Cleveland Browns or the Edmonton Oilers
No such thing as a meaningless win?
Are we really pretending that the top 5 pick isn't as great as some here think?
Wentz - Looking like a franchise QB Bosa - Best Pass Rusher of the draft Ramsey - Best CB of the draft Elliott - Fastest RB in the draft Goff - Hasn't played a down yet
You telling me you rather have Floyd than one of these players?
Yep. I'm content with what we did. Let's take a look at where we are and these players and team are in year three. That when you'll really know what you have in a player.
But so far.
We actually might have gotten Elliott if the Cowboys hadn't taken him and if Bosa was on the board when they picked that may have happened. So we got the second most productive RB in the draft in the 5th round AND were able to draft Floyd who seems to be improving now with each passing week and has 3.5 sacks so far to Bosa's 4.0 so where this huge difference we should be all upset about?
Ahh yes, another classic bait and switch. Let's examine the argument.
First a false dichotomy is presented with the two options as the only options.
Second, when a third option is presented, ignore it and change the direction of the thread, propping up an argument that no one is making in order to deflect attention from your argument
Third, suddenly change your mind about various players in order to continue to support an argument you are only making because your orginal argument suddenly has holes in it. If I recall correctly none of the players you mentioned were worth drafting high so you don 't get to claim those. Bosa according to you was going to be a bust. EE wasn't worth a first round pick. You had Hargroves rated higher than Ramsey but didn't want to draft either on of those. Your mantra was trade up for Buckner or trade down. So unless you are willing to admit you were wrong about all those guys, you can't use them in your argument as 'proof.'
Good thing for you the other board shut down isn't it. When you are ready to be intellectually honest in your discussions let us know.
BB I'd give you two thumbs up for this if the system would let me but it won't so instead you get two and a .