Well they need to start with the on-field problem first lol
Who the shit would want to play for Winston?
A player who is criticized for throwing too many interceptions and they choose to compare him to a younger player who throws too many interceptions? Can I ask how Rivers get zero criticism and he basically shows the same level of "negative emotion" as Cutler ever has?
Because you are comparing one side...Rivers has more positive interactions with his team than Jay does "IMO"....So this is why i think he doesn't get that bad press.
I guess to me it's not only how you lose, but also how you win when talking personal opinions and whether or not i would play harder for this Qb vs another. I see Rivers as a guy on the front lines standing shoulder to shoulder, while i see Cutler as something else.
Rivers has won just as much hardware as Cutler ever has.
There is no reason why Rivers can throw a bitch fest and Cutler cant if you are called a bad teammate for doing it.
One QB has a career QBR of 95.4 while the other has 86.0.
So yes, Rivers does get a excuse. If you're good in the NFL they will give you a ton of passes.
Let's not forget about the Cutler Knee-Gate championship game in which it looked like he quit on the team.
We all know how much you hate Cutler, but if you still think that Cutler faked an injury to sit out your bias is seeping out of your posts.
Cutler is continually the only player that people continually shit all over and there is absolutely NOTHING that he does that other quarterbacks dont do as well. If you think Philip Rivers(?) is too "talented" that he must be excused then what about Matt Stafford, Matt Ryan or Tony Romo?
Fact is, all QBs get pissed off at their players and Cutler is literally the ONLY one who gets critisized for it.
As for the topic at hand, John Fox being blamed for his team having a garbage backup QB and losing games for it... dont see it as his fault. This team's fanbase has the most blatant rose-coloured glasses in the starter kit i've ever seen. Truth be told Trestman wasnt even the issue when he was here... The issue, since about the last 2 seasons of Lovie is an aging, over rated team who took far too late to adjust to a pass-heavy league and have paid for not adjusting. Fox is doing just fine with the level of talent he is given on a weekly basis. Christ he has to resort to 2 practice roster players up against Rodgers last week....
This is simply the growing pains that come with the territory of being poorly managed for the better part of a decade.
Really what throws did he make that Hoyer cannot? Sorry this was not a huge deep throwing attack. His biggest yards came screen to Howard. He made one pass to Jeffery of 30 yards. I'd agree w/you if they were constantly going deep, but they didn't. Some of Cutlers best passes were very Hoyer like in timing and distance. Hoyer isn't great but it wasn't like they were bombing it. You're acting like Hoyer did nothing but dump offs and Cutler was chucking 50 yard bombs.
Cutler had a good game, but it wasn't great, he per usual put the ball in danger at times, last night getting lucky enough that there wasn't a pick 6 on that bad throw to Jeffery on 3rd down.
All I can say is we must have been watching different games. Hoyer can't make a lot of throws. And Cutler played an excellent game last night. We can win with the guy that showed up last night. Just not sure how often thatguy will show up.
Hoyer cannot do much that is correct I'm hardly pro Hoyer. But what Cutler did was very Hoyer like in the gameplan just a few shots downfield and a lot of short underneath quick throws. Cutler did have a good game, minus a horrendous throw early, I'd bury any QB for that throw that was nearly pick 6'd. Well that's the problem isn't it, that guy never stays. He seems to get comfortable fall back into his normal habits and all of a sudden that one throw last night turns into multiple throws like that.
All I can say is we must have been watching different games. Hoyer can't make a lot of throws. And Cutler played an excellent game last night. We can win with the guy that showed up last night. Just not sure how often thatguy will show up.
Hoyer cannot do much that is correct I'm hardly pro Hoyer. But what Cutler did was very Hoyer like in the gameplan just a few shots downfield and a lot of short underneath quick throws. Cutler did have a good game, minus a horrendous throw early, I'd bury any QB for that throw that was nearly pick 6'd. Well that's the problem isn't it, that guy never stays. He seems to get comfortable fall back into his normal habits and all of a sudden that one throw last night turns into multiple throws like that.
Cutler had three throws that could have/should have been intercepted. Jay is Jay. But he played a game Hoyer could not have. He did make those throws downfield and he made them on target. No way Hoyer does either of those. If one of those had been intercepted, would I have been saying Cutler had a great game? no. Was it a great game when he still put the ball in a position to be intercepted three times? Honestly, it could be said that no way was that a great game. And I'm not sure I could or would argue that. On a different day, we could have gotten the typical good game with a pick defeat. And if he keeps playing, we will see it again this year. Do I want to keep Jay? No. He wins games for us but he loses games for us. But IMO, he still played a great game Monday. It is arguable and I get it.
Really what throws did he make that Hoyer cannot? Sorry this was not a huge deep throwing attack. His biggest yards came screen to Howard. He made one pass to Jeffery of 30 yards. I'd agree w/you if they were constantly going deep, but they didn't. Some of Cutlers best passes were very Hoyer like in timing and distance. Hoyer isn't great but it wasn't like they were bombing it. You're acting like Hoyer did nothing but dump offs and Cutler was chucking 50 yard bombs.
Cutler had a good game, but it wasn't great, he per usual put the ball in danger at times, last night getting lucky enough that there wasn't a pick 6 on that bad throw to Jeffery on 3rd down.
All I can say is we must have been watching different games. Hoyer can't make a lot of throws. And Cutler played an excellent game last night. We can win with the guy that showed up last night. Just not sure how often thatguy will show up.
That's the whole Cutler thing in a nutshell right there. I agree he's by far the best we have and you can easily see there's no comparison with Hoyer in terms of the throws they can make.
When Cutler plays focused, disciplined, turnover-free (or at least "turnover-minimal") ball, he's a very good QB. Maybe not "elite", but a QB that can beat most teams.
The problem is that for 8 years Cutler has never been "that guy" for a consistent, sustained stretch of time.
I was watching Monday night as we were dominating on both sides of the ball (our OL was particularly impressive given what they were facing) and was expecting another soul-sucking sack-fumble or INT-to-a-defensive-lineman any minute to somehow blow another 4th Q lead. We have all seen it so often that we almost expect it and are shocked when it doesn't happen.
I've watched other QB's Soul, I don't watch just the Bears game. Cutler isn't a game changing QB week in week out. He had a good game, but it wasn't great. That pick 6 happens, it's 100% on Cutler and today we are all talking something different; actually you aren't on at all. The fact that you cannot be critical AT ALL of Cutler, EVER, makes you look foolish.
I've given Cutler credit when he deserves it, and I've put blame on him when he deserves it. He had a good game, but it was a very Hoyer esque type game from this season. Not a lot of deep balls, a lot of 3 step release passes and a lot of safe throws(outside of the 1). I'm fine w/how he played other then 1 horrible pass. Its NOT the game he was playing the first 2 weeks and that was obviously on him b/c you saw today he played far better against the same quality of team. But he didn't have an outstanding game either, it was just a very non Cutler game, which is what he needs to do.
But I am critical of Cutler when he's earned that criticism. It's just with 252 yards passing, a TD, no picks, a 100 + QBR and a masterful job of clock management especially in the last 5 minutes he didn't deserve it. He should be lauded and he was.
As for your personal rating system I think it's written in Amish. He has to do 1 1/2 times the same amount of good that your good guys do before he can earn an equal rating. If that was Rodgers you'd be saying why can't Jay play like that and you know you would.
Look, he's not my ideal QB either, just the best option we have now and on the horizon. When I see better then I'll say it and we can move but until then I'm pulling for him to have 8 more games like that so for once every one can just STFU about Cutler.
I get very tired and very bored of reading put downs with no realistic solution or those who think a better passer will magically drop in our laps just because they say so. That's not you I realize that. But this is after all a tradition and if we don't do it people might think one of us is dying or something and if they think it's me I don't want to give them false hope.
Post by germansbombedph on Nov 7, 2016 2:02:30 GMT -6
has Fox lost us the season with his stubborn ideas? Not playing Howard to start the season while he looked solid and good in Preseason. Not playing Culter who was healthy earlier?