Interesting...

Right now Cutler is a below average QB, so they could also do a lot better. Sadly Hoyer isn't that much worse then he is; if only b/c he's willing to play w/in the O system he's given. There is a reason the last 2 HC's have wanted to move on from him. Cutler is being pushed down the starting caliber chart every year by new younger, cheaper, more raw, more high ceiling talent.

I think the serious problem may well be Fox and his schizoid ways of dealing with his personnel issues.  It appears to me that he totally over estimates the talent levels and abilities of certain players and to claim in a presser that he sees progress when nearly everyone else sees a team falling farther and farther behind each week is beyond mystifying to me.  It sound crazy.

When he was asked for the very first time about Cutler's status once he was cleared to play all he had to say is ask me again when that day comes.  Or he could have simply said injured starters return as starters and that would have ended any and all of this shit that's been going on ever since Hoyer came into play.

He could have made it a non-issue but he chose not to.  So was that his way of sending some kind of message he really didn't need to send.  Those first two losses weren't on Jay.  As much as anything they were on Fox for not having his team ready to play and for having no idea of how to make any in game adjustments to counter the others guys adjustments.  Fox's reputation as a very poor game day coach proceeds him and he's done nothing to dispel that.

So if there is a problem then as I see it it's one of Fox's own creation and it doesn't look all that dissimilar to the way Trestman looked to scapegoat Cutler when his ass was on the hot seat.  The main difference is Fox is more arrogant and has a much bigger ego to deal with.  I honestly do believe that it's gonna come down to one or the other because if I'm reading Jay right he's done with Fox as well and doesn't want to play for him again.

I don't know that it hasn't been proven. No one is going to admit to a potential trade they decided not to do. But per usual where there is smoke there is fire. 

And what did you have w/the last 2 HC's. 2 guys that benched Cutler for far lesser talent; why for the same issue he's always had, refusal to run the system. No doubt a HC/OC would tire of that quickly.

You know full well and good you back your players until they are no longer there.  Pace failed that why they passed on qb's. Paced opted for an all or nothing; top qb prospect or none at all approach, which is a poor way of doing it.

You've always rejected reality when it came to Cutler so continue to do it; I'm fine w/that.

Now this is really pathetic because just a few weeks ago you were posting about how bad Hoyer was when others actually felt he may have been at the very least another Josh McCown.  Well he proved to be about as far from that as I am from being the next BB King.

Play within what system?  You mean the one that looks like we were playing CPD flag football.  The one that couldn't score more than 23 points in any one game and averaged less than 17 per game.  You aren't gonna win many games that way in the NFL.  Hoyer avoided picks because he never took any risk at all.  When asked to push the ball down the field against two shitty defenses to give us a shot at winning two winnable games he couldn't even do that.

If you want to call that a system then all it is is a system of playing not to lose and whoever plays it does lose more often than not as just as we did. How well was Hoyer doing in the GB game before he got hurt.  By then a decent team with a decent defense an a smarter DC had him all figured out and took away his favorite throws so he was dead in the water gain an so was the offense.  Hoyer did diddly squat and Barkley did little more.  We scored 3 offensive points in the whole game!

Come on Ric wake up and get real here.  Few others see it any different that this either.

"Right now Cutler is a below average QB"

LMAO, what???  You come to this conclusion on the basis of 1 1/2 games and playing hurt in the second one?  He had no blocking and no running game and yet he and AJ were the only real offense we had.  You truly do deserve QBs like Hoyer because you couldn't spot a half way decent one of he kicked you in the nuts.

When Cutler actually had a system built around his strengths by an OC who knew what the **** he was doing he had one of his best years performance wise and won at least two games coming from behind pretty much on his own.  How well did Hoyer do when given the same shot against two supposedly weaker teams?

Gase leaves forcing Fox into a position he can't handle which is to lend offensive support, he turns the offense over to an inexperienced OC and play caller who tries to accommodate Fox's neutered approach to offensive football and the entire offense sinks to the bottom like a lead weight.  And with all of this you still think this is all on Cutler and his 6 quarters of football played this year!!!  That's an amazing conclusion based again on total ignorance of the facts.

Then let's finish with his last two HCs have wanted to move on from him.  You mean the one who just got his passport punched back to Canada for messing up Joe Flacco and Baltimore's offense too.  And his current one who drafted Jimmy Clausen as his starter prompting his dismissal as the Panthers HC?  Oh yeah, Fox is a real prime evaluator of choice QB talent he is.  The two of you should run the 2017 draft and find your next QB.