Rodgers is one of the greatest football players I have ever watched play. Putting on a clinic tonight. He's going to be the Packer's 4th Hall of Fame quarterback.
4 Hall of Fame QBs.
Herber, Starr, Favre & Rodgers will join them when he retires.
It's Rodgers 7th game in a row without an interception. Bears QBs can't go 7 quarters without at least 1 pick and a sack-fumble.
its a joke. We aren't in the same league and will be in or near the bottom of the division for years to come IMHO.
I don't know what's going to happen with the team from here on out. But this I do know. Job-1 for Ryan Pace is to solve the QB problem in Chicago. Yes, there are many very important things for Pace to fix on this team, but until the QB situation is fixed, none of the other stuff really matters. We will always be the guy bringing the knife to the gunfight - dead.
And posters/fans will wring their hands and whine about how it is "hard" to get a good QB. I get sick of that attitude. In professional sports it is never easy. Right? It's not easy drafting ANY position. Yes, drafting a good QB is difficult. But good QBs are being drafted. Why not us?
I didn't think they could be anywhere near this bad this year but now I know that anything is possible. They keep spooning up the crap and you just open up and ask for more. I'm tired of eating their crap so you can have my share brother.....may I be excused from the table.
The hate and denial in this one is so strong I cannot read what he's saying
Ha ha, I don't think I'm the one in denial. After the Wednesday presser I'll let ya' know for sure.
Another possible but very longshot QB FA might be Kirk Cousins. He choked yesterday but has a good 2 year body of work. I mention him again because he is not exactly running back to endorse the Redskins FO. Read below:
Immediately after Sunday’s season-ending defeat, in which Cousins had a rough outing — throwing for 287 yards, one touchdown and two interceptions while getting sacked four times — the quarterback was asked if he wanted to return to the Redskins for a sixth season.
Cousins demurred.
“It’s really not my decision to make,” Cousins said. “They chose to tag me, and the same is true this year. So if they don’t choose to tag me, then I think that question is answered at that point. But right now the ball’s not in my court.”
He's pretty much on the same level as Cutler but says his asking price will be over $20 mil a year when it's time to talk contract. I don't this he fits.
It's just astonishing to witness the difference between Aaron Rodgers and ANY BEARS QB of the last decade.
He's accurate, scrambles for first downs, extends plays, has tremendous pocket awareness, rarely throws an ill-advised pass or INT, almost never fumbles even when pressured, repeatedly draws offside and 12-man penalties, nd simply finds ways to win.
The performance gap is enormous. Even Cutler, the best of the Bears bunch, is not even remotely close.
Remember when various posters actually posted that Hoyer was better than Rogers? Some people should have to have their posts approved by staff. And some people wonder why I'm cranky at times on the board.
Some people can't tell a QB from a hunchback but we mostly approve of any chance to enlighten them.
Remember when various posters actually posted that Hoyer was better than Rogers? Some people should have to have their posts approved by staff. And some people wonder why I'm cranky at times on the board.
Some people can't tell a QB from a hunchback but we mostly approve of any chance to enlighten them.
I can't wait for the off-season to finally begin (after the SB). I can tell you right now how its going to go right now.
(1) There will be 8-9 threads about resigning Jeffery. The board as a whole will vote to not resign Jeffery because he isn't 'worth it.' (2) No staff changes, which will be good for continuity and morale. The board was a whole will not be happy with this, and there will be 9-10 threads about Loggains. (3) Pace will be slammed and praised for either not signing the right FAs, or for not signing the wrong FAs. No matter what side someone comes down on, it will be the wrong side. (4) As we get closer to the draft, there will be 12-13 threads a day about drafting a QB or not drafting a QB. Someone will post a video about how the best teams always draft pass rushers, someone else will post a huge list of all the day 1 and 2 QBs that didn't make it and will use it to prove that the best QB value comes from round 6 (completely ignoring that all 6th round value comes from Brady and Bulger.) (5) Someone else will insist that the original list was wrong because it went back too far or didn't go back far enough. We will then have 9 threads about that. (6) During the draft, every pick will either be a bust, a reach or a great value pick. No one will ever talk about how good of a player the picks were, because 'draft position value' mean everything.
It's Rodgers 7th game in a row without an interception. Bears QBs can't go 7 quarters without at least 1 pick and a sack-fumble.
its a joke. We aren't in the same league and will be in or near the bottom of the division for years to come IMHO.
I don't know what's going to happen with the team from here on out. But this I do know. Job-1 for Ryan Pace is to solve the QB problem in Chicago. Yes, there are many very important things for Pace to fix on this team, but until the QB situation is fixed, none of the other stuff really matters. We will always be the guy bringing the knife to the gunfight - dead.
And posters/fans will wring their hands and whine about how it is "hard" to get a good QB. I get sick of that attitude. In professional sports it is never easy. Right? It's not easy drafting ANY position. Yes, drafting a good QB is difficult. But good QBs are being drafted. Why not us?
Why not us?
Not a bad question considering of the only two championships we've won since the 1940s only one was with a QB we actually drafted. The other came to us in a trade.
Call it a curse but ever since GSH trade Bobby Layne away we haven't even come close to drafting a HOF QB. Hell most of them could be 1st stringers in the Hall of Shame. We aren't very good at drafting them and we're even worse at developing them so there are many days when I feel like why bother?
If you look at Cutler and Rodgers you see two QBs with similar skills and attributes but one was developed for three years playing behind another HOF QB and has played for a team and in a system that's been ideal for his skill set. The other hasn't. That's a huge reason for the difference between them right there.
On a level of basic skills there's probably less difference than you think but Rodgers has mastered that offense over the years and knows it and directs it like he was a conductor in a symphony orchestra. Cutler has never been able to do that but then how many different offenses under how many different OCs has he run by now? It's always an unfinished project.
Tom Brady doesn't have the same level of skills of either but he's done the same in NE with an offense built to take advantage of his best traits and he's developed those well over the years for a guy who was a 6th round afterthought pick who was drafted as a backup to Drew Bledsoe.
IMHO you can't just select a QB in the draft, hand him a football, and say go win me some games. The teams with the best QBs have done far more than just invest a draft pick and some cash in the guy and we haven't done that. I really don't know that it's more complicated than that.
Some people can't tell a QB from a hunchback but we mostly approve of any chance to enlighten them.
I can't wait for the off-season to finally begin (after the SB). I can tell you right now how its going to go right now.
(1) There will be 8-9 threads about resigning Jeffery. The board as a whole will vote to not resign Jeffery because he isn't 'worth it.' (2) No staff changes, which will be good for continuity and morale. The board was a whole will not be happy with this, and there will be 9-10 threads about Loggains. (3) Pace will be slammed and praised for either not signing the right FAs, or for not signing the wrong FAs. No matter what side someone comes down on, it will be the wrong side. (4) As we get closer to the draft, there will be 12-13 threads a day about drafting a QB or not drafting a QB. Someone will post a video about how the best teams always draft pass rushers, someone else will post a huge list of all the day 1 and 2 QBs that didn't make it and will use it to prove that the best QB value comes from round 6 (completely ignoring that all 6th round value comes from Brady and Bulger.) (5) Someone else will insist that the original list was wrong because it went back too far or didn't go back far enough. We will then have 9 threads about that. (6) During the draft, every pick will either be a bust, a reach or a great value pick. No one will ever talk about how good of a player the picks were, because 'draft position value' mean everything.
I don't know what's going to happen with the team from here on out. But this I do know. Job-1 for Ryan Pace is to solve the QB problem in Chicago. Yes, there are many very important things for Pace to fix on this team, but until the QB situation is fixed, none of the other stuff really matters. We will always be the guy bringing the knife to the gunfight - dead.
And posters/fans will wring their hands and whine about how it is "hard" to get a good QB. I get sick of that attitude. In professional sports it is never easy. Right? It's not easy drafting ANY position. Yes, drafting a good QB is difficult. But good QBs are being drafted. Why not us?
Why not us?
Not a bad question considering of the only two championships we've won since the 1940s only one was with a QB we actually drafted. The other came to us in a trade.
Call it a curse but ever since GSH trade Bobby Layne away we haven't even come close to drafting a HOF QB. Hell most of them could be 1st stringers in the Hall of Shame. We aren't very good at drafting them and we're even worse at developing them so there are many days when I feel like why bother?
If you look at Cutler and Rodgers you see two QBs with similar skills and attributes but one was developed for three years playing behind another HOF QB and has played for a team and in a system that's been ideal for his skill set. The other hasn't. That's a huge reason for the difference between them right there.
On a level of basic skills there's probably less difference than you think but Rodgers has mastered that offense over the years and knows it and directs it like he was a conductor in a symphony orchestra. Cutler has never been able to do that but then how many different offenses under how many different OCs has he run by now? It's always an unfinished project.
Tom Brady doesn't have the same level of skills of either but he's done the same in NE with an offense built to take advantage of his best traits and he's developed those well over the years for a guy who was a 6th round afterthought pick who was drafted as a backup to Drew Bledsoe.
IMHO you can't just select a QB in the draft, hand him a football, and say go win me some games. The teams with the best QBs have done far more than just invest a draft pick and some cash in the guy and we haven't done that. I really don't know that it's more complicated than that.
All I know is this. We are floating and stinking in the toilet bowl of the NFL... with the other stinking ones - the worst of the worst. I am getting tired of the stinking teams the Bears are putting on the field. This 2.7-Billion dollar sports entertainment business needs to get a clue and figure something out. A main piece in the puzzle is figuring out the QB situation that has dogged the franchise for decades.
Nothing I can do about the past, here. Nothing I can do about the present, here. Nothing I can do about the future, here.
But the Bears organization can and should be figuring this out... getting a clue... getting the players and coaches we need to finally turn this thing around. This is not a "one season" problem. This is decades of mediocrity and worse. I'm hoping things change. Hoping.
Not a bad question considering of the only two championships we've won since the 1940s only one was with a QB we actually drafted. The other came to us in a trade.
Call it a curse but ever since GSH trade Bobby Layne away we haven't even come close to drafting a HOF QB. Hell most of them could be 1st stringers in the Hall of Shame. We aren't very good at drafting them and we're even worse at developing them so there are many days when I feel like why bother?
If you look at Cutler and Rodgers you see two QBs with similar skills and attributes but one was developed for three years playing behind another HOF QB and has played for a team and in a system that's been ideal for his skill set. The other hasn't. That's a huge reason for the difference between them right there.
On a level of basic skills there's probably less difference than you think but Rodgers has mastered that offense over the years and knows it and directs it like he was a conductor in a symphony orchestra. Cutler has never been able to do that but then how many different offenses under how many different OCs has he run by now? It's always an unfinished project.
Tom Brady doesn't have the same level of skills of either but he's done the same in NE with an offense built to take advantage of his best traits and he's developed those well over the years for a guy who was a 6th round afterthought pick who was drafted as a backup to Drew Bledsoe.
IMHO you can't just select a QB in the draft, hand him a football, and say go win me some games. The teams with the best QBs have done far more than just invest a draft pick and some cash in the guy and we haven't done that. I really don't know that it's more complicated than that.
All I know is this. We are floating and stinking in the toilet bowl of the NFL... with the other stinking ones - the worst of the worst. I am getting tired of the stinking teams the Bears are putting on the field. This 2.7-Billion dollar sports entertainment business needs to get a clue and figure something out. A main piece in the puzzle is figuring out the QB situation that has dogged the franchise for decades.
Nothing I can do about the past, here. Nothing I can do about the present, here. Nothing I can do about the future, here.
But the Bears organization can and should be figuring this out... getting a clue... getting the players and coaches we need to finally turn this thing around. This is not a "one season" problem. This is decades of mediocrity and worse. I'm hoping things change. Hoping.
You're spot on. It has been a decades long problem and the QB has often been at the very center of it all going back to Mac in the more recent era. He couldn't stay healthy and we never drafted another good QB 'til he was gone. McCaskey wasn't gonna pay for two.
Added to that was the fact the Ditka was murderous on QBs so no one really was developed under him either. Mac was just an enigma who could lead and win but it was that defense and Walter who were the difference makers. As a QB Mac was above average but certainly not great.
No doubt it has to be resolved which is why it's hard to take when your hear then saying "we got this" and you know they don't. I have a feeling they're gonna get pressed pretty hard on Wednesday which is why they took the extra day to get their ducks in row and their stories straight.
All I know is this. We are floating and stinking in the toilet bowl of the NFL... with the other stinking ones - the worst of the worst. I am getting tired of the stinking teams the Bears are putting on the field. This 2.7-Billion dollar sports entertainment business needs to get a clue and figure something out. A main piece in the puzzle is figuring out the QB situation that has dogged the franchise for decades.
Nothing I can do about the past, here. Nothing I can do about the present, here. Nothing I can do about the future, here.
But the Bears organization can and should be figuring this out... getting a clue... getting the players and coaches we need to finally turn this thing around. This is not a "one season" problem. This is decades of mediocrity and worse. I'm hoping things change. Hoping.
You're spot on. It has been a decades long problem and the QB has often been at the very center of it all going back to Mac in the more recent era. He couldn't stay healthy and we never drafted another good QB 'til he was gone. McCaskey wasn't gonna pay for two.
Added to that was the fact the Ditka was murderous on QBs so no one really was developed under him either. Mac was just an enigma who could lead and win but it was that defense and Walter who were the difference makers. As a QB Mac was above average but certainly not great.
No doubt it has to be resolved which is why it's hard to take when your hear then saying "we got this" and you know they don't. I have a feeling they're gonna get pressed pretty hard on Wednesday which is why they took the extra day to get their ducks in row and their stories straight.
+1 My hope is that the sports media just gets on them like piranhas savaging a raw steak on Wednesday. Here's why. There may be some excuses/reasons for THIS season's failures. Maybe. But the only way we are going to see the McCaskey's seek TRUE change is if the heat is unbearable. I know some have said that the family doesn't care what the fans think as long as their cash cow is bringing in the cash. That they are beyond embarrassing. But I think they may feel some heat, embarrassment & maybe some anxiety about the beginning of empty stadium seats.
The team is at one of the lowest points in franchise history. I am not just talking about 2016 here. This is bigger than 2016. And sometimes change only begins when the pain gets high enough.
I hope the sports media (and not just the local sports writers) absolutely savages the McCaskey's over the product they are putting on the field year after year.