I honestly suspect if he or Bobby Slowik had been on the market last off season Poles would've sacked Eberflustered and hired one of them, no hesitation. No if they do break off to be head coaches it may to late to pair either one with Caleb? If they come to Chicago they might want their own QB and not the his predecessors left overs?
And I'd toss in one more thought. Even if the team somewhat rebounds and it is looking like 'Flus is not the worst coach... and maybe even a mediocre coach - that doesn't mean the Bears should retain him. Not at all. If the bar here is set at mediocrity then guess what we'll see for the next several year? Yeah, not good. Not good at all.
I'm hoping Ryan Poles feels a lot of heat because it's going to take that before he parts ways with Eberflus. In fact it may take the McCaskey's feeling the wrath of a pissed off fanbase (like with Trestman and Nagy) in order for them to tell Poles his buddy has to leave.
I want us to revisit some of the arguments about replacing Braxton Jones. If we want to replace Flus, we need to discuss his replacement first. Because as bad as Flus seems to be, he may be better than simply kicking off the typical Bears revolving HC carousel one again. And does that mean we have to replace Waldron as well? How does that impact CW?
I am no fan of Eberflus. I hoped he would have been replaced before this season started. Oh, my Lord, this really sucks.
And this is exactly what we should not rush into. I also am not a fan of Flus, nor am I a fan of Poles letting his relationship color his decision when he had a golden opportunity. But Flus does have the team on his side for the most part. He is not a hard ass coach. So the players like him. But the players also like to win. And he is not a hard ass coach (disciplinary). So good luck with that.
It's essentially a 2 game season right now. The next 2 games are MUST WINS. If you can get to 6-3 going into the toughest part of the schedule, you still have a shot at 10 wins. That's 4-4 over the final 8 games which I think is about the best you can realistically hope to achieve. The last 8 games are against probably the 5 best teams in the NFC and it is gonna take 10 wins to make the playoffs this year. [BTW, the fact that Washington now holds a tiebreak over us hurts our chances.]
If you go 0-2, the season is truly over. If you go 1-1, the season is hanging by a thread and you need a miracle finish. You're also probably down a tiebreak to Arizona too.
It's do or die the next 2 weeks. We all knew the schedule was gonna get brutal starting mid-November.
As far as Flus goes, his 2025 status is hanging by a thread right now. IMO, he has to win the next 2 games and go 3-3 minimum in the divisional series to make a real case for giving him a 4th year. Anything less than that and I think you have to move on.
I'll give him a complete pass for 2022 and ignore that 3-12 teardown. Since then, he has only 3 wins vs teams who were above 500, is 2-10 in division, and has had 4 massive Q4 meltdown losses. He isn't getting better at game and personnel management and is still making awful and basic coaching mistakes. He doesn't even own his mistakes in public and you can bet the locker room isn't too happy about that right now. [Blaming Tyrique for the loss like he just did is really weak sauce--TS screwed up that one play but Flus utterly f'd up the entire endgame.]
Unless Flus crushes it the next 10 weeks, it is time to give Ben Johnson a call. Get a real playcaller in here who actually knows how to win and close out games. I'm sick of these 3rd-rate wannabes who get exposed every time they face a real NFL HC.
Matt Eberflus will never be a top tier HC in this league. On his best day he's a mid. They could seriously fire him now and it wouldn't matter a hill of shit for this season. We might even get better.
I am not arguing against your support of Ben Johnson but at the same time I am sick and tired of hiring first time HCs. I want a damn winner. But yes, if we go the coordinator route again, then I want a Whiz Kid.
It has been 18 years since the last Super Bowl. My kid wasn't even born yet. It's been, what, 39 years, since we won one?
I'm so tired of the half assing that comes out of Halas Hall. The half measures, the calm passive media press conference, the small ball moves.
I do believe in Ryan Poles. I do believe that he's done an amazing job building a team, but he screwed us over with the Eberflus hire.
This offseason is a big test for Poles. Is he going to be loyal to his buddy Eberflus? Or is he going to do what's right, fire his ass, and bring in somebody who can win?
Hard to disagree with anything you said. They aren't going to fire Flus mid-season nor do I think they should but you're right he's shown nothing to indicate that he will ever be a HC who can take teams on deep runs. Every time he gets a chance to "win a big game", he chokes (esp on the road). He's an excellent DC who is mediocre at best as a HC. He's also clearly the least accomplished HC in the division and gets his ass handed to him almost every time he faces a bonafide opposing HC.
As I said to JABF earlier, he either is THE GUY or he isn't. There's no in-between. And Flus isn't. You watch Tomlin last night and see what a REAL HC looks like. Year after year that guy squeezes blood (wins) out of a stone (less than ideal roster talent). He's never had a losing season and yes he's had plenty of years where his roster was nothing special. Even right now, he has Pitt humming along at 6-2 with less talent than the Bears currently have. His QBs are Justin Fields who's serious limitations we all know well and Russell Wilson who's been over the hill and in decline for several years now.
So please don't tell me about roster construction and all that. Tomlin finds ways to win; Flus finds ways to lose. One car squeezes 40 miles out of a gallon of gas and one only makes it 18.
Ben Johnson is my early favorite to replace Flus but Mike Vrabel would be an option if you want a vet HC. Regardless, it is very hard to justify sticking with Flus beyond this season.
I'm sticking to what I said above: Flus has to win the next 2 games and go at least 3-3 in division for me to reconsider giving him a 4th year.
PS: And I don't want to hear any "continuity" bullshit as a justification for sticking with a mediocre HC like Flus. You had a golden opportunity to secure "continuity" last winter by aligning your HC-OC-QB all coming in new to grow and develop together. You blew it cuz you didn't want to pay.
Matt Eberflus will never be a top tier HC in this league. On his best day he's a mid. They could seriously fire him now and it wouldn't matter a hill of shit for this season. We might even get better.
I am not arguing against your support of Ben Johnson but at the same time I am sick and tired of hiring first time HCs. I want a damn winner. But yes, if we go the coordinator route again, then I want a Whiz Kid.
It has been 18 years since the last Super Bowl. My kid wasn't even born yet. It's been, what, 39 years, since we won one?
I'm so tired of the half assing that comes out of Halas Hall. The half measures, the calm passive media press conference, the small ball moves.
I do believe in Ryan Poles. I do believe that he's done an amazing job building a team, but he screwed us over with the Eberflus hire.
This offseason is a big test for Poles. Is he going to be loyal to his buddy Eberflus? Or is he going to do what's right, fire his ass, and bring in somebody who can win?
Hard to disagree with anything you said. They aren't going to fire Flus mid-season nor do I think they should but you're right he's shown nothing to indicate that he will ever be a HC who can take teams on deep runs. Every time he gets a chance to "win a big game", he chokes (esp on the road). He's an excellent DC who is mediocre at best as a HC. He's also clearly the least accomplished HC in the division and gets his ass handed to him almost every time he faces a bonafide opposing HC.
As I said to JABF earlier, he either is THE GUY or he isn't. There's no in-between. And Flus isn't. You watch Tomlin last night and see what a REAL HC looks like. Year after year that guy squeezes blood (wins) out of a stone (less than ideal roster talent). He's never had a losing season and yes he's had plenty of years where his roster was nothing special. Even right now, he has Pitt humming along at 6-2 with less talent than the Bears currently have. His QBs are Justin Fields who's serious limitations we all know well and Russell Wilson who's been over the hill and in decline for several years now.
So please don't tell me about roster construction and all that. Tomlin finds ways to win; Flus finds ways to lose. One car squeezes 40 miles out of a gallon of gas and one only makes it 18.
Ben Johnson is my early favorite to replace Flus but Mike Vrabel would be an option if you want a vet HC. Regardless, it is very hard to justify sticking with Flus beyond this season.
I'm sticking to what I said above: Flus has to win the next 2 games and go at least 3-3 in division for me to reconsider giving him a 4th year.
You know, I'm actually starting to question that. We are not especially good against the run and the discipline that our D showed at the end of the last game was pathetic. In general, he is a good DC, but his discipline (or lack thereof) does spill over to the defense as well as other parts of the game. I would not have an issue with him being our DC (would never happen) and we could do a lot worse, but would just like a clean break at this point. Only issue is our record of picking replacements
Hard to disagree with anything you said. They aren't going to fire Flus mid-season nor do I think they should but you're right he's shown nothing to indicate that he will ever be a HC who can take teams on deep runs. Every time he gets a chance to "win a big game", he chokes (esp on the road). He's an excellent DC who is mediocre at best as a HC. He's also clearly the least accomplished HC in the division and gets his ass handed to him almost every time he faces a bonafide opposing HC.
As I said to JABF earlier, he either is THE GUY or he isn't. There's no in-between. And Flus isn't. You watch Tomlin last night and see what a REAL HC looks like. Year after year that guy squeezes blood (wins) out of a stone (less than ideal roster talent). He's never had a losing season and yes he's had plenty of years where his roster was nothing special. Even right now, he has Pitt humming along at 6-2 with less talent than the Bears currently have. His QBs are Justin Fields who's serious limitations we all know well and Russell Wilson who's been over the hill and in decline for several years now.
So please don't tell me about roster construction and all that. Tomlin finds ways to win; Flus finds ways to lose. One car squeezes 40 miles out of a gallon of gas and one only makes it 18.
Ben Johnson is my early favorite to replace Flus but Mike Vrabel would be an option if you want a vet HC. Regardless, it is very hard to justify sticking with Flus beyond this season.
I'm sticking to what I said above: Flus has to win the next 2 games and go at least 3-3 in division for me to reconsider giving him a 4th year.
You know, I'm actually starting to question that. We are not especially good against the run and the discipline that our D showed at the end of the last game was pathetic. In general, he is a good DC, but his discipline (or lack thereof) does spill over to the defense as well as other parts of the game. I would not have an issue with him being our DC (would never happen) and we could do a lot worse, but would just like a clean break at this point. Only issue is our record of picking replacements
The ship has already sailed on Flus-as-a-DC. He's not gonna accept a demotion to stay on as the DC after being replaced at HC. He's gonna go somewhere else as a DC and try to land another HC job down the line.
I do think he's an excellent DC who has done a good job in that capacity. Gave up a lot of yards Sunday but held a very high powered offense to 0 TDs at home....until the last minute fuckups.
He's just not a very good HC and yeah the roles are different.
No head coach ever has accepted a demotion on the same team he was just fired from. It doesn't happen.
Fassel is the only one I can think of, but he was only an interim. Plenty have been fired and taken lesser jobs elsewhere, but yeah, I think it's just a little too embarrassing. Not sure how much respect they would have in the locker room. That might be a big factor
You know, I'm actually starting to question that. We are not especially good against the run and the discipline that our D showed at the end of the last game was pathetic. In general, he is a good DC, but his discipline (or lack thereof) does spill over to the defense as well as other parts of the game. I would not have an issue with him being our DC (would never happen) and we could do a lot worse, but would just like a clean break at this point. Only issue is our record of picking replacements
The ship has already sailed on Flus-as-a-DC. He's not gonna accept a demotion to stay on as the DC after being replaced at HC. He's gonna go somewhere else as a DC and try to land another HC job down the line.
I do think he's an excellent DC who has done a good job in that capacity. Gave up a lot of yards Sunday but held a very high powered offense to 0 TDs at home....until the last minute fuckups.
He's just a very good HC and yeah the roles are different.
I disagree, the man has let his defense lose it for him multiple times at the end of the 4th. A great DC wouldn't do that. How many times has Fangio blew a 4th Q lead as our DC?
Flus was never a good DC. He's horrible against the run, his decision making isn't great.
The ship has already sailed on Flus-as-a-DC. He's not gonna accept a demotion to stay on as the DC after being replaced at HC. He's gonna go somewhere else as a DC and try to land another HC job down the line.
I do think he's an excellent DC who has done a good job in that capacity. Gave up a lot of yards Sunday but held a very high powered offense to 0 TDs at home....until the last minute fuckups.
He's just a very good HC and yeah the roles are different.
I disagree, the man has let his defense lose it for him multiple times at the end of the 4th. A great DC wouldn't do that. How many times has Fangio blew a 4th Q lead as our DC?
Flus was never a good DC. He's horrible against the run, his decision making isn't great.
I do miss Fangio. He was the best of the recent DCs IMO
The ship has already sailed on Flus-as-a-DC. He's not gonna accept a demotion to stay on as the DC after being replaced at HC. He's gonna go somewhere else as a DC and try to land another HC job down the line.
I do think he's an excellent DC who has done a good job in that capacity. Gave up a lot of yards Sunday but held a very high powered offense to 0 TDs at home....until the last minute fuckups.
He's just a very good HC and yeah the roles are different.
I disagree, the man has let his defense lose it for him multiple times at the end of the 4th. A great DC wouldn't do that. How many times has Fangio blew a 4th Q lead as our DC?
Flus was never a good DC. He's horrible against the run, his decision making isn't great.
Agree to disagree on Flus as a DC. Paired with an O-minded HC who is calling plays, I'd be happy to have Flus as my DC.
Regardless, its a moot point cuz that's not gonna happen now. Flus is the HC and he is going to be judged as a HC. IMO, he's hanging by a thread right now there when it comes to 2025.
I noticed a number of key star players (Kmet, Moore, JJ) have all thrown shade on Flus since that loss. That stuff rarely leaks out in public so you know there's some serious issues in the locker room with players expressing their discontent with coaching. They also closed Wednesday's practice.