Do the math. If Vikings trade up #11 for McCarthy, only 3 QBs go ahead of the Bears. That leaves 5 spots for 3WRs, Alt, and whatever “blue” edge guy you want (Turner?) are ALL gone before #9. Is the next DL on your big board better than Powers-Johnson? Really? I see him as a perineal Pro Bowl center and Bates as a backup. Plus, you get another pick in the second round for a good WR. To me, that’s better than drafting your #2 DL on your big board. As you used to say, that can wait til next year’s draft or FA. This is the “max QB support” year.
My problem, David, is that I want 'em all. I am that kid in the candy store right now. I like this one, that one... then another one catches my eye. I'm laughing because I was JUST like that as a little boy buying penny-candy at this tiny little neighborhood grocery in town
But getting serious for a minute, yes I would LOVE to draft JPJ. I just feel like a #9 for him is a bit too rich. Not much, but just a bit. I could see a trade down in that 1 particular instance because I do believe he is going to be an elite blue chip guy too. But he is a blue chipper that could be drafted in a small trade down situation. LOL, but then, what if some team does jump on him before our trade down pick?
There is always a backup plan or two. The teams I worry about are Steelers at #20 and Cowboys at #25. So I am trading down to 16-19. If I’m wrong, I will take Thomas or other WR in first round and BPA with the second round pick I got from the trade down.
If Odunze or Nabers are there at 9 you run the card up to the commish and don't think twice about it.
That’s easy. We are beyond that. The premise is what to do if the top-3 WRs, Alt, and Turner are gone before #9. You are welcome to join the discussion.
+1 You're right, I have flipped on this. I would want WR first. But if the cupboard is empty then I would be open to taking an elite DL guy. We should be a much better team this year which translates to lower part of the 1st round pick for the next several years (at least I think that's what's going to happen). This is one reason why I don't want to trade down that #9 pick this year. We won't get a sniff of a pick that high again for a long long time. So I figure we'd better get the best blue chip player we possibly can - don't even THINK about dealing it away. Get a stud. Get one of those elite WRs in this draft, or get a blue chip DL guy. I'd be fine with an All-Pro level elite LT too. That would be a cornerstone building block for the OL for the next decade or so. That's not a slam on Brax, but just accepting that Braxton Jones' ceiling is not going to be anywhere as high as Alt. And I value the LT position enough to go with a young future All Pro there. Brax is never going to be THAT guy.
Do the math. If Vikings trade up #11 for McCarthy, only 3 QBs go ahead of the Bears. That leaves 5 spots for 3WRs, Alt, and whatever “blue” edge guy you want (Turner?) are ALL gone before #9. Is the next DL on your big board better than Powers-Johnson? Really? I see him as a perineal Pro Bowl center and Bates as a backup. Plus, you get another pick in the second round for a good WR. To me, that’s better than drafting your #2 DL on your big board. As you used to say, that can wait til next year’s draft or FA. This is the “max QB support” year.
Center just isn't as important a position as an Edge or a good 3 tech. There are good reasons centers aren't drafted in the first. And anyway there is no guarantee that he will be there just because you traded back.
Do the math. If Vikings trade up #11 for McCarthy, only 3 QBs go ahead of the Bears. That leaves 5 spots for 3WRs, Alt, and whatever “blue” edge guy you want (Turner?) are ALL gone before #9. Is the next DL on your big board better than Powers-Johnson? Really? I see him as a perineal Pro Bowl center and Bates as a backup. Plus, you get another pick in the second round for a good WR. To me, that’s better than drafting your #2 DL on your big board. As you used to say, that can wait til next year’s draft or FA. This is the “max QB support” year.
Center just isn't as important a position as an Edge or a good 3 tech. There are good reasons centers aren't drafted in the first. And anyway there is no guarantee that he will be there just because you traded back.
He can also play guard. Think of him as interior offensive lineman, if that helps. Centers have been drafted 5 times in the first round in the last 6 drafts. I am pretty confident he’s going in the first round. There are no guarantees trading up or down more than one spot. You do have other players picked for the spot if you miss your primary target. I’d rather have JPJ than whatever DL is #2 on the list.
Do the math. If Vikings trade up #11 for McCarthy, only 3 QBs go ahead of the Bears. That leaves 5 spots for 3WRs, Alt, and whatever “blue” edge guy you want (Turner?) are ALL gone before #9. Is the next DL on your big board better than Powers-Johnson? Really? I see him as a perineal Pro Bowl center and Bates as a backup. Plus, you get another pick in the second round for a good WR. To me, that’s better than drafting your #2 DL on your big board. As you used to say, that can wait til next year’s draft or FA. This is the “max QB support” year.
Center just isn't as important a position as an Edge or a good 3 tech. There are good reasons centers aren't drafted in the first. And anyway there is no guarantee that he will be there just because you traded back.
I really want a stud 3T but not sure anyone in this draft is a #9 pick
Center just isn't as important a position as an Edge or a good 3 tech. There are good reasons centers aren't drafted in the first. And anyway there is no guarantee that he will be there just because you traded back.
I really want a stud 3T but not sure anyone in this draft is a #9 pick
I am an Illini fan. I watch most of their games. I promise you Johnny Newton is a stud.
I am an Illini fan. I watch most of their games. I promise you Johnny Newton is a stud.
+1 to Newton. He is in a class by himself... he'd be a great 3T for the Bears. Special for sure.
There will be so much grabbing for QB, WR, and DE that Poles could trade down and still get Newton somewhere in the back half of the first round along with a second round pick to add a good WR. This would be a good trade down alternative to JPJ at trade down to 16-19 if Odunze is gone at #9.
BTW, I read that Poles might rate Verse over Turner at edge, because he’s stronger and better able to set the edge against running plays. I’ve seen the same complaint elsewhere about Turner. He’s great against the pass, but not as good vs. the run. My gut says Poles will sit at #9 and draft a DE. If we’re going for DL, I’d rather trade down for Newton plus 2nd round pick.
+1 to Newton. He is in a class by himself... he'd be a great 3T for the Bears. Special for sure.
There will be so much grabbing for QB, WR, and DE that Poles could trade down and still get Newton somewhere in the back half of the first round along with a second round pick to add a good WR. This would be a good trade down alternative to JPJ at trade down to 16-19 if Odunze is gone at #9.
BTW, I read that Poles might rate Verse over Turner at edge, because he’s stronger and better able to set the edge against running plays. I’ve seen the same complaint elsewhere about Turner. He’s great against the pass, but not as good vs. the run. My gut says Poles will sit at #9 and draft a DE. If we’re going for DL, I’d rather trade down for Newton plus 2nd round pick.
+1 There are good options no matter how the draft falls to us.