How are you feeling about the Bears team at this point?

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How are you feeling about the Bears team at this point? Mar 21, 2024 9:05:15 GMT -6

Post by JABF on Mar 21, 2024 9:05:15 GMT -6

Mar 21, 2024 8:54:16 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

And the other thing that troubles me (this one is not his fault) is that he is a defensive coach.

I get that, but some of the greatest head coaches in the history of the NFL - recent coaches too - have been defensive coaches (look no further than Houston to see just one of many examples of this). A guy like Eberflus has spent his entire NFL career studying offenses. That's his job, day in, and day out as a D coach. I have zero doubt that Eberflus could install an offense and call plays on offense. Zero. But yes, he has been a defensive coordinator (like all of those great D head coaches... even the ones in the Hall of Fame now). These coaches don't exist in a vacuum totally oblivious to offense. THEY KNOW FOOTBALL. If they have been successful it is because they dead-bang know football and most importantly how to lead men - the players. This is what I see in Matt Eberflus. Dude is a leader of men. I think we got a good man there who will be successful here.

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Mar 21, 2024 9:05:15 GMT -6 JABF said:

Mar 21, 2024 8:54:16 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

And the other thing that troubles me (this one is not his fault) is that he is a defensive coach.

I get that, but some of the greatest head coaches in the history of the NFL - recent coaches too - have been defensive coaches (look no further than Houston to see just one of many examples of this). A guy like Eberflus has spent his entire NFL career studying offenses. That's his job, day in, and day out as a D coach. I have zero doubt that Eberflus could install an offense and call plays on offense. Zero. But yes, he has been a defensive coordinator (like all of those great D head coaches... even the ones in the Hall of Fame now). These coaches don't exist in a vacuum totally oblivious to offense. THEY KNOW FOOTBALL. If they have been successful it is because they dead-bang know football and most importantly how to lead men - the players. This is what I see in Matt Eberflus. Dude is a leader of men. I think we got a good man there who will be successful here.

Now, on that we disagree.

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Post by JABF on Mar 21, 2024 9:17:12 GMT -6

Mar 21, 2024 9:09:14 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

Mar 21, 2024 9:05:15 GMT -6 JABF said:

I get that, but some of the greatest head coaches in the history of the NFL - recent coaches too - have been defensive coaches (look no further than Houston to see just one of many examples of this). A guy like Eberflus has spent his entire NFL career studying offenses. That's his job, day in, and day out as a D coach. I have zero doubt that Eberflus could install an offense and call plays on offense. Zero. But yes, he has been a defensive coordinator (like all of those great D head coaches... even the ones in the Hall of Fame now). These coaches don't exist in a vacuum totally oblivious to offense. THEY KNOW FOOTBALL. If they have been successful it is because they dead-bang know football and most importantly how to lead men - the players. This is what I see in Matt Eberflus. Dude is a leader of men. I think we got a good man there who will be successful here.

Now, on that we disagree.

BIH, I think we fans get swept up in believing these guys ONLY understand one half of the team (offense OR defense). That is not true. Think about it logically. They HAVE to know the opposing units on a granular level at the NFL level to be successful. Every day they put these professional units under a microscope to figure out how to defeat them. Hour by hour, day by day, year by year - this is the gig. They don't exist in a vacuum just dinking around with their side of the ball, being ignorant of the other side. At the professional level these guys have to be brilliant men. And I keep coming back to the fact that - in addition to the nuts and bolts knowledge of football, the X's and O's - they have to also be leaders of men. Like we saw Eberflus exhibit during a tank year and a horrific start to last season. He "righted the ship" and finished one hell of a solid last-half of the season. And going into that regular season with 30 new players - and some key injuries too, that hurt us - it stands to reason it would be quite a challenge in the early half of that season. Eberflus showed incredible coaching as he made adjustments and started stacking wins, week after week in that last half of the season.

Anyway, I'll step down from my soap box now and wander off..... :-)

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Post by davidl on Mar 21, 2024 9:27:47 GMT -6

Mar 21, 2024 8:54:16 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

Mar 21, 2024 8:41:11 GMT -6 JABF said:

I feel like Eberflus may be a solid head coach for us. Constant turnover of coaches results in constant failure. That is what I have seen in the NFL. The Bears hired Eberflus as a 1st time head coach. If a team does that, then there is a learning curve that is associated with hiring a rookie head coach. But I "get it" that fans want instant gratification. I do get that. Fans are impatient by nature, and unrealistic.

Think about this.

Eberflus has been here 2 seasons and the first was a tank year where they off-loaded some of his best players. They had him keep Fields. He had an OC who's offense really did not work with a QB like Fields (that was doomed to fail before the first season even began). Then the second season (last year) they gave Eberflus 30 new players - mostly very young players.

Let THAT one sink in.

Yet, Eberflus showed incredible coaching skills (head coaching skills) in that he significantly improved the wins in spite of that situation - and he held together the locker room in a situation where the majority of young coaches would have lost it. I was very very very impressed with his coaching last year.

Yet (some) fans want him fired... fired after he is about to get his first franchise QB1 (that he has input in bringing in here) and a veteran OC who has been successful at the NFL level. How on earth would you even CONSIDER firing him right now?

What has he "done" to deserve being fired?

I just don't get that. The Bears have invested 2 years in this rookie HC. Let's see what return we can get on that investment. If the team does better then we have our HC for the next decade or more (very possibly more). LOL, why fire the guy now? Just so we can continue the cycle of failure here? I just don't get that attitude at all. I don't. This team is poised to become one of the better teams in the NFL. Finally. Finally things are looking bright for our future. We have an entire team being crafted that is full of young & ascending players. We have a quarterback coming here who could very well be the best QB we have had here since the Bears drafted Sid Luckman in the 1939 draft, eighty-five YEARS ago. We have an offensive coordinator who has a proven track record of coaching up quarterbacks (did a miracle with Geno Smith) - so we have the coaching in place now on offense. I'm personally very excited about having Shane Waldron here now.

We have a top-5 defense in the NFL as of the last half of the season - 100% attributed to Matt Eberflus our HC.

I won't go on and on about the many "positives" regarding this head coach and this Bears team (and they are many). I just don't understand the negativity right now. I feel like asking "what is wrong here?" - are we a fanbase that is incapable of seeing "good stuff" now? It sure looks like it to me. Anyway, until Eberflus does something that merits firing, hey, I'm wanting him to stay here and be successful here - so we finally HAVE a good team with sustained winning. JMO.

I understand what he has been able to do in keeping the team together and cohesive. And that deserves kudos. I just never saw any coaching magic from him. And I can't define that. It's like when you see something special in a player on the field. You know it's special. Same with the coaches. I just saw average joe.

And the other thing that troubles me (this one is not his fault) is that he is a defensive coach. That means the offensive expertise is not coming from him. If we have success in the offense, we lose the OC. and that can keep happening over the years and that makes fielding a consistence winning team hard to do over time.

Eberflus will run the defense. Waldron will run the offense. I predict they will work well together. They have same football philosophy. It’s more conservative than some might prefer, but it works, if you have the right players to execute it. You don’t need to lead the NFL in passing yards to win a Super Bowl, if you have a top-3 team in rushing and defense.

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Post by bearsinhouston on Mar 21, 2024 9:40:43 GMT -6

Mar 21, 2024 9:17:12 GMT -6 JABF said:

Mar 21, 2024 9:09:14 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

Now, on that we disagree.

BIH, I think we fans get swept up in believing these guys ONLY understand one half of the team (offense OR defense). That is not true. Think about it logically. They HAVE to know the opposing units on a granular level at the NFL level to be successful. Every day they put these professional units under a microscope to figure out how to defeat them. Hour by hour, day by day, year by year - this is the gig. They don't exist in a vacuum just dinking around with their side of the ball, being ignorant of the other side. At the professional level these guys have to be brilliant men. And I keep coming back to the fact that - in addition to the nuts and bolts knowledge of football, the X's and O's - they have to also be leaders of men. Like we saw Eberflus exhibit during a tank year and a horrific start to last season. He "righted the ship" and finished one hell of a solid last-half of the season. And going into that regular season with 30 new players - and some key injuries too, that hurt us - it stands to reason it would be quite a challenge in the early half of that season. Eberflus showed incredible coaching as he made adjustments and started stacking wins, week after week in that last half of the season.

Anyway, I'll step down from my soap box now and wander off..... :-)

Well, it's just that a hell of a lot of OCs have problems calling the offense. When you tell me a Dc can do that, well.... again, let's just say we disagree

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Post by papabear7 on Mar 21, 2024 10:00:16 GMT -6

Mar 21, 2024 9:09:14 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

Mar 21, 2024 9:05:15 GMT -6 JABF said:

I get that, but some of the greatest head coaches in the history of the NFL - recent coaches too - have been defensive coaches (look no further than Houston to see just one of many examples of this). A guy like Eberflus has spent his entire NFL career studying offenses. That's his job, day in, and day out as a D coach. I have zero doubt that Eberflus could install an offense and call plays on offense. Zero. But yes, he has been a defensive coordinator (like all of those great D head coaches... even the ones in the Hall of Fame now). These coaches don't exist in a vacuum totally oblivious to offense. THEY KNOW FOOTBALL. If they have been successful it is because they dead-bang know football and most importantly how to lead men - the players. This is what I see in Matt Eberflus. Dude is a leader of men. I think we got a good man there who will be successful here.

Now, on that we disagree.

Yeah, I share JABF 's optimism for Flus but that was too far for me. lol

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Post by davidl on Mar 21, 2024 10:24:06 GMT -6

Mar 21, 2024 10:00:16 GMT -6 papabear7 said:

Mar 21, 2024 9:09:14 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

Now, on that we disagree.

Yeah, I share JABF 's optimism for Flus but that was too far for me. lol

JABF is both right and wrong IMO. Flus could take over the offensive coordinator job himself, but he wouldn’t likely be as good as an offensive coordinator who has been coaching the offensive side for years. Let Waldron do the job.

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Post by JABF on Mar 21, 2024 13:10:06 GMT -6

Mar 21, 2024 10:00:16 GMT -6 papabear7 said:

Mar 21, 2024 9:09:14 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

Now, on that we disagree.

Yeah, I share JABF 's optimism for Flus but that was too far for me. lol

LOL, I just tossed that forum hand grenade out there to see who is still awake out there in messageboard land :-)

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Post by bearsinhouston on Mar 21, 2024 13:17:03 GMT -6

Mar 21, 2024 13:10:06 GMT -6 JABF said:

Mar 21, 2024 10:00:16 GMT -6 papabear7 said:

Yeah, I share JABF 's optimism for Flus but that was too far for me. lol

LOL, I just tossed that forum hand grenade out there to see who is still awake out there in messageboard land :-)

That was kinda zzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

Sorry.... I'm back

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Post by billymurray on Mar 21, 2024 13:40:58 GMT -6

Mar 21, 2024 8:41:11 GMT -6 JABF said:

Mar 20, 2024 21:45:50 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

I do too. I think it may be a year, but it will hurt us. Poles wants him here though so both may have to go, but I like what Poles has done, so a tough situation

I feel like Eberflus may be a solid head coach for us. Constant turnover of coaches results in constant failure. That is what I have seen in the NFL. The Bears hired Eberflus as a 1st time head coach. If a team does that, then there is a learning curve that is associated with hiring a rookie head coach. But I "get it" that fans want instant gratification. I do get that. Fans are impatient by nature, and unrealistic.

Think about this.

Eberflus has been here 2 seasons and the first was a tank year where they off-loaded some of his best players. They had him keep Fields. He had an OC who's offense really did not work with a QB like Fields (that was doomed to fail before the first season even began). Then the second season (last year) they gave Eberflus 30 new players - mostly very young players.

Let THAT one sink in.

Yet, Eberflus showed incredible coaching skills (head coaching skills) in that he significantly improved the wins in spite of that situation - and he held together the locker room in a situation where the majority of young coaches would have lost it. I was very very very impressed with his coaching last year.

Yet (some) fans want him fired... fired after he is about to get his first franchise QB1 (that he has input in bringing in here) and a veteran OC who has been successful at the NFL level. How on earth would you even CONSIDER firing him right now?

What has he "done" to deserve being fired?

I just don't get that. The Bears have invested 2 years in this rookie HC. Let's see what return we can get on that investment. If the team does better then we have our HC for the next decade or more (very possibly more). LOL, why fire the guy now? Just so we can continue the cycle of failure here? I just don't get that attitude at all. I don't. This team is poised to become one of the better teams in the NFL. Finally. Finally things are looking bright for our future. We have an entire team being crafted that is full of young & ascending players. We have a quarterback coming here who could very well be the best QB we have had here since the Bears drafted Sid Luckman in the 1939 draft, eighty-five YEARS ago. We have an offensive coordinator who has a proven track record of coaching up quarterbacks (did a miracle with Geno Smith) - so we have the coaching in place now on offense. I'm personally very excited about having Shane Waldron here now.

We have a top-5 defense in the NFL as of the last half of the season - 100% attributed to Matt Eberflus our HC. What he did with that unit was masterful, and a complete 1-year turnaround. Textbook great coaching.

I won't go on and on about the many "positives" regarding this head coach and this Bears team (and they are many). I just don't understand the negativity right now. I feel like asking "what is wrong here?" - are we a fanbase that is incapable of seeing "good stuff" now? It sure looks like it to me. Anyway, until Eberflus does something that merits firing, hey, I'm wanting him to stay here and be successful here - so we finally HAVE a good team with sustained winning. JMO.

Forgot to mention how he managed while losing his DC and a position coach in year 2.

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