I know this is going to come as a huge shock, but we will have to agree to disagree on this too.
Just name someone who would be a good teacher.
Maybe a one year deal with Ryan Tannehill? Former Pro-Bowl QB who led the NFL in passer-rating a few years back. He's a 12 year veteran. But there are some other veteran QBs still available who could be a vet presence in the QB room. Considering what Waldron did for Geno, I'd think some other options could be a decent match (I'm not saying Tannehill is the guy... not by any means). And we're talking about a 1-year gig. After that I think the new kid and the youngster (the D2 kid) would be fine. JMO.
Maybe a one year deal with Ryan Tannehill? Former Pro-Bowl QB who led the NFL in passer-rating a few years back. He's a 12 year veteran. But there are some other veteran QBs still available who could be a vet presence in the QB room. Considering what Waldron did for Geno, I'd think some other options could be a decent match (I'm not saying Tannehill is the guy... not by any means). And we're talking about a 1-year gig. After that I think the new kid and the youngster (the D2 kid) would be fine. JMO.
Tannehill had once said "not my job" when asked to mentor a young QB. Maybe he has matured, but if not he might not be the best choice
I saw this and it completely explains my beliefs on talent and NFL coaching for a large majority.
"Every person is flawed. Justin is flawed and Caleb is flawed. Andy is flawed, Pat Mahomes is flawed. QB play is "bad" because coaching is bad.
It took football an eternity to realize how useful a dual threat QB can be. Too many coaches don't know how to creatively adapt their system to match a players skillset (and/or lack the courage to do so), they only know their system. So we put square pegs in round holes. When it doesn't work, we fire that round hole for a triangular hole. When that doesn't work, we swap out the square peg. On and on until we find a match.
Some pegs could have unlocked treasure but we never saw them matched to the right system. Some coaches know what to do with players flaws, others do not. Too many coaches this their systems are greater than their players. A coach is not good unless he can bring out the greatness of his players. Good coaches are as rare as great players."
A-FREAKIN-MEN!
Mahomes and Caleb are flawed? No way! I've been told that's not possible! They are generational talents! (How can you have more than one generational talent in my generational lifetime I can't fathom!) Also, Justin isn't just flawed, I've heard he's unusable. But then I took a chill pill and didn't dignify those opinions with any responses.
Fathom? I used the word Fathom? Now have to go watch the movie again...
Thank God you and BiH are around...you all keep me smiling and laughing!
Maybe a one year deal with Ryan Tannehill? Former Pro-Bowl QB who led the NFL in passer-rating a few years back. He's a 12 year veteran. But there are some other veteran QBs still available who could be a vet presence in the QB room. Considering what Waldron did for Geno, I'd think some other options could be a decent match (I'm not saying Tannehill is the guy... not by any means). And we're talking about a 1-year gig. After that I think the new kid and the youngster (the D2 kid) would be fine. JMO.
Tannehill had once said "not my job" when asked to mentor a young QB. Maybe he has matured, but if not he might not be the best choice
I didn't know that. But that's why I'm saying it wouldn't have to be just him or nothing... just threw a name out there... plenty of unsigned veterans still available.
Mahomes and Caleb are flawed? No way! I've been told that's not possible! They are generational talents! (How can you have more than one generational talent in my generational lifetime I can't fathom!) Also, Justin isn't just flawed, I've heard he's unusable. But then I took a chill pill and didn't dignify those opinions with any responses.
Fathom? I used the word Fathom? Now have to go watch the movie again...
Thank God you and BiH are around...you all keep me smiling and laughing!
The Bills literally hired a veteran QB specifically to mentor Allen. Yeah, Derek Anderson sucked as a QB but that doesn't mean he couldn't teach it. He had been in the league over a decade and undoubtedly had some knowledge he could share. I'm all for the Bears signing a vet QB to help (Insert your new QB of choice here) transition to the NFL. Maybe Brett Rypien is it, but I do kind of hope it's someone else.
Anderson was there one year. Allen didn't take off until his 3rd year when he was given tools.
Sure, but you were arguing against the Bears signing a vet QB for mentorship and tried using Josh Allen as an example. I simply wanted to show that the Bills brought in a QB specifically to mentor Allen. I have no idea how useful it was, but it's very possible Anderson taught Allen some things that helped him grow in that first year and prepare him for when the talent around him was better. What is there to lose on bringing in a guy who's experienced? A couple million dollars? That's not going to make or break the Bears' plans on signing another FA they may have their eyes on.
I saw this and it completely explains my beliefs on talent and NFL coaching for a large majority.
"Every person is flawed. Justin is flawed and Caleb is flawed. Andy is flawed, Pat Mahomes is flawed. QB play is "bad" because coaching is bad.
It took football an eternity to realize how useful a dual threat QB can be. Too many coaches don't know how to creatively adapt their system to match a players skillset (and/or lack the courage to do so), they only know their system. So we put square pegs in round holes. When it doesn't work, we fire that round hole for a triangular hole. When that doesn't work, we swap out the square peg. On and on until we find a match.
Some pegs could have unlocked treasure but we never saw them matched to the right system. Some coaches know what to do with players flaws, others do not. Too many coaches this their systems are greater than their players. A coach is not good unless he can bring out the greatness of his players. Good coaches are as rare as great players."
A-FREAKIN-MEN!
No, not every player doesn't develop b/c of bad coaching. We've seen this play out. Rex was bad b/c he was to small and got hurt. Mitch was bad b/c he couldn't process quickly(same w/Fields), J Russell was bad b/c he got so much money he didn't care and ate himself out of the league. Some get screwed by going to poor teams w/poor structure no doubt, but it's not the sole reason. There was NO reason JF couldn't throw for 3k+ yards and 20-25 TD's this year, none, the OL/WR's/TE's/OC weren't so bad that it couldn't have happened, he was part of the problem, and it's why HE's a backup now on another team for maybe a 4th rd pick next year.
Looking for people that agree w/your bias is lazy, and you know better; but I guess it's better then admitting you were wrong, btw, you are wrong. JF is a backup just like Mitch was a backup. He'll get another shot to start, b/c that's how qb's taken in the first rd happen; but if you think Pitt is the place for failed qb's to succeed, Mason, Pickett, and Mitch, hell even old man Ben will show you it's not.
As great of a HC as Tomlin has been, he's having the same issue Lovie did, couldn't replace the great things he was handed when they aged out. QB, OL has been bad for several years, weapons all fit the bill of what you want, but to many have poor personalities/work ethic and don't pan out and are sent packing. See the great and amazing Claypool and JuJu. Tomlin, if in Chicago, would have been sent backing several years ago for his failures in finding/developing franchise qb.
Well...to counter your point, yes it is because of bad coaching/leadership. Coaches/leadership should have taken Rex's size into account when they were projecting his success in the league, same with Russell and his work ethic/attitude. None of things were unknown. Both sets of coaches and GM's allowed themselves to get enamored with other things and ignored some pretty important pieces of data leading them to be over-drafted. Being picked earlier than you should be isn't the players fault...its the people making the picks. If I hire a bad employee, its MY fault for hiring them.
Further, there IS a reason why Justin didn't throw for 3k+ yards and 20-25 TD's this season. It's one I've said a million times...he only played in 13 games. If you average out his per game stats for 17 games, he throws for 3k+ yards and 20-25 tds. You can dismiss that REASON all you want, you can not like that REASON, but it doesn't change it from being a REASON.
Lastly, I really don't care whether you agree with me or not. Same goes for anyone else. My day will continue to be just fine. Its not my reason for posting, and I don't expect anyone to agree with what I have to say. They might, but I don't expect it. I know you believe your opinion is more valid than everyone else's...but it isn't. We all carry the same weight around here and our opinions are worth the same. And this isn't just a Justin Fields post. This goes for every player at every position. I'll throw Velus Jones out there as an example. You mean to tell me that there is NO way to get more out of his abilities than what the team has gotten thus far? NONE??!!! Reminds me of how we couldn't figure out how to get Corrdarelle Patterson involved on offense in Chicago. He goes to Atlanta and they figure out how to get 1000 yards of overall offense and 11 td's from him. There are far to FEW coaches in this league who will find out what their players do really, really well and work to utilize those strengths while developing them further. Thats why when the team was doing its OC search I said that they shouldn't reveal their plans at QB and make each candidate show how they would utilize each option at QB and cater to their strengths and what they do well.
I saw this and it completely explains my beliefs on talent and NFL coaching for a large majority.
"Every person is flawed. Justin is flawed and Caleb is flawed. Andy is flawed, Pat Mahomes is flawed. QB play is "bad" because coaching is bad.
It took football an eternity to realize how useful a dual threat QB can be. Too many coaches don't know how to creatively adapt their system to match a players skillset (and/or lack the courage to do so), they only know their system. So we put square pegs in round holes. When it doesn't work, we fire that round hole for a triangular hole. When that doesn't work, we swap out the square peg. On and on until we find a match.
Some pegs could have unlocked treasure but we never saw them matched to the right system. Some coaches know what to do with players flaws, others do not. Too many coaches this their systems are greater than their players. A coach is not good unless he can bring out the greatness of his players. Good coaches are as rare as great players."
A-FREAKIN-MEN!
Mahomes and Caleb are flawed? No way! I've been told that's not possible! They are generational talents! (How can you have more than one generational talent in my generational lifetime I can't fathom!) Also, Justin isn't just flawed, I've heard he's unusable. But then I took a chill pill and didn't dignify those opinions with any responses.
Fathom? I used the word Fathom? Now have to go watch the movie again...
Thumbs up! Couldnt even read what you had wrote, brain too distracted
No, not every player doesn't develop b/c of bad coaching. We've seen this play out. Rex was bad b/c he was to small and got hurt. Mitch was bad b/c he couldn't process quickly(same w/Fields), J Russell was bad b/c he got so much money he didn't care and ate himself out of the league. Some get screwed by going to poor teams w/poor structure no doubt, but it's not the sole reason. There was NO reason JF couldn't throw for 3k+ yards and 20-25 TD's this year, none, the OL/WR's/TE's/OC weren't so bad that it couldn't have happened, he was part of the problem, and it's why HE's a backup now on another team for maybe a 4th rd pick next year.
Looking for people that agree w/your bias is lazy, and you know better; but I guess it's better then admitting you were wrong, btw, you are wrong. JF is a backup just like Mitch was a backup. He'll get another shot to start, b/c that's how qb's taken in the first rd happen; but if you think Pitt is the place for failed qb's to succeed, Mason, Pickett, and Mitch, hell even old man Ben will show you it's not.
As great of a HC as Tomlin has been, he's having the same issue Lovie did, couldn't replace the great things he was handed when they aged out. QB, OL has been bad for several years, weapons all fit the bill of what you want, but to many have poor personalities/work ethic and don't pan out and are sent packing. See the great and amazing Claypool and JuJu. Tomlin, if in Chicago, would have been sent backing several years ago for his failures in finding/developing franchise qb.
Well...to counter your point, yes it is because of bad coaching/leadership. Coaches/leadership should have taken Rex's size into account when they were projecting his success in the league, same with Russell and his work ethic/attitude. None of things were unknown. Both sets of coaches and GM's allowed themselves to get enamored with other things and ignored some pretty important pieces of data leading them to be over-drafted. Being picked earlier than you should be isn't the players fault...its the people making the picks. If I hire a bad employee, its MY fault for hiring them.
Further, there IS a reason why Justin didn't throw for 3k+ yards and 20-25 TD's this season. It's one I've said a million times...he only played in 13 games. If you average out his per game stats for 17 games, he throws for 3k+ yards and 20-25 tds. You can dismiss that REASON all you want, you can not like that REASON, but it doesn't change it from being a REASON.
Lastly, I really don't care whether you agree with me or not. Same goes for anyone else. My day will continue to be just fine. Its not my reason for posting, and I don't expect anyone to agree with what I have to say. They might, but I don't expect it. I know you believe your opinion is more valid than everyone else's...but it isn't. We all carry the same weight around here and our opinions are worth the same. And this isn't just a Justin Fields post. This goes for every player at every position. I'll throw Velus Jones out there as an example. You mean to tell me that there is NO way to get more out of his abilities than what the team has gotten thus far? NONE??!!! Reminds me of how we couldn't figure out how to get Corrdarelle Patterson involved on offense in Chicago. He goes to Atlanta and they figure out how to get 1000 yards of overall offense and 11 td's from him. There are far to FEW coaches in this league who will find out what their players do really, really well and work to utilize those strengths while developing them further. Thats why when the team was doing its OC search I said that they shouldn't reveal their plans at QB and make each candidate show how they would utilize each option at QB and cater to their strengths and what they do well.
Didn't have to take Bree's size into account in SD, and he did just fine.
Stop trying so hard to justify why JF was bad, and understand he was bad b/c he was bad. Could things have gone better for him if he ended up in a different situation, possibly. But a lot of the issues he had in yr 3 were issues he had in college; guess what, that's a him issue not a coaching/leadership issue. He didn't put the work into his game the way he needed to.
Jim Miller talked about this; and he's a huge supporter of Fields. He said he was never more disappointed in JF then when he said he just wanted to play free. Miller said that told him he wasn't putting in the work to learn the O and the def he was playing against; b/c when you know those 2 things you play free. That's a Fields issue. Was Fields THE problem, no, nor was Mitch. But he was A problem and there was no solving that problem unless he solved it himself.
Just like most failed players, they didn't put work into what they needed to do to perfect their game. You've been watching long enough, you should know this, and learned it, same way I did.
I saw this and it completely explains my beliefs on talent and NFL coaching for a large majority.
"Every person is flawed. Justin is flawed and Caleb is flawed. Andy is flawed, Pat Mahomes is flawed. QB play is "bad" because coaching is bad.
It took football an eternity to realize how useful a dual threat QB can be. Too many coaches don't know how to creatively adapt their system to match a players skillset (and/or lack the courage to do so), they only know their system. So we put square pegs in round holes. When it doesn't work, we fire that round hole for a triangular hole. When that doesn't work, we swap out the square peg. On and on until we find a match.
Some pegs could have unlocked treasure but we never saw them matched to the right system. Some coaches know what to do with players flaws, others do not. Too many coaches this their systems are greater than their players. A coach is not good unless he can bring out the greatness of his players. Good coaches are as rare as great players."
A-FREAKIN-MEN!
Mahomes and Caleb are flawed? No way! I've been told that's not possible! They are generational talents! (How can you have more than one generational talent in my generational lifetime I can't fathom!) Also, Justin isn't just flawed, I've heard he's unusable. But then I took a chill pill and didn't dignify those opinions with any responses.
Fathom? I used the word Fathom? Now have to go watch the movie again...
Not sure what they were eating in the 60's and 70's, but my god women were built different, in the best way possible, back then.
