I agree that Rypien is here to install the OFF, he'll be the #3 if he's still on the roster.
#1 Williams #2 Bagnet #3 Rypien OR someone they add after camp either as a vet backup or a prospect for the PS.
We need to stop looking at every signing as if the Bears think that person is the final piece of the puzzle. Most of these vet min guys are to fill the roster for OTAs and then TC. The bottom of the roster will churn all season again, and these guys will be moved in and out depending on who other team release as they churn their roster. Its fun to think of Poles running through the offices high fiving people because they signed Rypien but most likely Whalden was asked if Rypien would help get the OFF installed faster and he said sure. When they are running routes and calling plays in the OTAs, Williams will be working with one set of WRs and Rypien with another getting the language and routes down to all the OFF.
I don't feel like that's what we were doing talking about QB2 but I completely agree.
I'd be surprised if Bagnet isn't #2 when the season starts. At this point its irrelevant, Williams is #1 and behind him is nothing but a high draft pick in 2025 if he's not playing. I'm willing to make a gentleman's bet that Rypien isn't on the 53 (is it 53 now or 51, can't remember) roster when TC is done. He'll start the last preseason game and then get cut, and then brought back to be the emergency QB. Is Peterman still in the picture or is he gone?
I don't feel like that's what we were doing talking about QB2 but I completely agree.
I'd be surprised if Bagnet isn't #2 when the season starts. At this point its irrelevant, Williams is #1 and behind him is nothing up a high draft pick in 2025. I'm willing to make a gentleman's bet the Rypien isn't on the roster when TC is done. He'll start the last preseason game and then get cut, and then brought back to be the emergency QB. Is Peterman still in the picture or is he gone?
I'd be surprised if Bagnet isn't #2 when the season starts. At this point its irrelevant, Williams is #1 and behind him is nothing up a high draft pick in 2025. I'm willing to make a gentleman's bet the Rypien isn't on the roster when TC is done. He'll start the last preseason game and then get cut, and then brought back to be the emergency QB. Is Peterman still in the picture or is he gone?
I saw this and it completely explains my beliefs on talent and NFL coaching for a large majority.
"Every person is flawed. Justin is flawed and Caleb is flawed. Andy is flawed, Pat Mahomes is flawed. QB play is "bad" because coaching is bad.
It took football an eternity to realize how useful a dual threat QB can be. Too many coaches don't know how to creatively adapt their system to match a players skillset (and/or lack the courage to do so), they only know their system. So we put square pegs in round holes. When it doesn't work, we fire that round hole for a triangular hole. When that doesn't work, we swap out the square peg. On and on until we find a match.
Some pegs could have unlocked treasure but we never saw them matched to the right system. Some coaches know what to do with players flaws, others do not. Too many coaches this their systems are greater than their players. A coach is not good unless he can bring out the greatness of his players. Good coaches are as rare as great players."
I saw this and it completely explains my beliefs on talent and NFL coaching for a large majority.
"Every person is flawed. Justin is flawed and Caleb is flawed. Andy is flawed, Pat Mahomes is flawed. QB play is "bad" because coaching is bad.
It took football an eternity to realize how useful a dual threat QB can be. Too many coaches don't know how to creatively adapt their system to match a players skillset (and/or lack the courage to do so), they only know their system. So we put square pegs in round holes. When it doesn't work, we fire that round hole for a triangular hole. When that doesn't work, we swap out the square peg. On and on until we find a match.
Some pegs could have unlocked treasure but we never saw them matched to the right system. Some coaches know what to do with players flaws, others do not. Too many coaches this their systems are greater than their players. A coach is not good unless he can bring out the greatness of his players. Good coaches are as rare as great players."
A-FREAKIN-MEN!
Mahomes and Caleb are flawed? No way! I've been told that's not possible! They are generational talents! (How can you have more than one generational talent in my generational lifetime I can't fathom!) Also, Justin isn't just flawed, I've heard he's unusable. But then I took a chill pill and didn't dignify those opinions with any responses.
Fathom? I used the word Fathom? Now have to go watch the movie again...
I saw this and it completely explains my beliefs on talent and NFL coaching for a large majority.
"Every person is flawed. Justin is flawed and Caleb is flawed. Andy is flawed, Pat Mahomes is flawed. QB play is "bad" because coaching is bad.
It took football an eternity to realize how useful a dual threat QB can be. Too many coaches don't know how to creatively adapt their system to match a players skillset (and/or lack the courage to do so), they only know their system. So we put square pegs in round holes. When it doesn't work, we fire that round hole for a triangular hole. When that doesn't work, we swap out the square peg. On and on until we find a match.
Some pegs could have unlocked treasure but we never saw them matched to the right system. Some coaches know what to do with players flaws, others do not. Too many coaches this their systems are greater than their players. A coach is not good unless he can bring out the greatness of his players. Good coaches are as rare as great players."
A-FREAKIN-MEN!
I agree. And just like in most management structures, if it does not work out, it can't be management (coaches). It has to be the employee (player). Get a different one. But then at some point, management gets replaces because the next few players don't work out either. Then you get new coaches, rinse and repeat.
I saw this and it completely explains my beliefs on talent and NFL coaching for a large majority.
"Every person is flawed. Justin is flawed and Caleb is flawed. Andy is flawed, Pat Mahomes is flawed. QB play is "bad" because coaching is bad.
It took football an eternity to realize how useful a dual threat QB can be. Too many coaches don't know how to creatively adapt their system to match a players skillset (and/or lack the courage to do so), they only know their system. So we put square pegs in round holes. When it doesn't work, we fire that round hole for a triangular hole. When that doesn't work, we swap out the square peg. On and on until we find a match.
Some pegs could have unlocked treasure but we never saw them matched to the right system. Some coaches know what to do with players flaws, others do not. Too many coaches this their systems are greater than their players. A coach is not good unless he can bring out the greatness of his players. Good coaches are as rare as great players."
A-FREAKIN-MEN!
No, not every player doesn't develop b/c of bad coaching. We've seen this play out. Rex was bad b/c he was to small and got hurt. Mitch was bad b/c he couldn't process quickly(same w/Fields), J Russell was bad b/c he got so much money he didn't care and ate himself out of the league. Some get screwed by going to poor teams w/poor structure no doubt, but it's not the sole reason. There was NO reason JF couldn't throw for 3k+ yards and 20-25 TD's this year, none, the OL/WR's/TE's/OC weren't so bad that it couldn't have happened, he was part of the problem, and it's why HE's a backup now on another team for maybe a 4th rd pick next year.
Looking for people that agree w/your bias is lazy, and you know better; but I guess it's better then admitting you were wrong, btw, you are wrong. JF is a backup just like Mitch was a backup. He'll get another shot to start, b/c that's how qb's taken in the first rd happen; but if you think Pitt is the place for failed qb's to succeed, Mason, Pickett, and Mitch, hell even old man Ben will show you it's not.
As great of a HC as Tomlin has been, he's having the same issue Lovie did, couldn't replace the great things he was handed when they aged out. QB, OL has been bad for several years, weapons all fit the bill of what you want, but to many have poor personalities/work ethic and don't pan out and are sent packing. See the great and amazing Claypool and JuJu. Tomlin, if in Chicago, would have been sent backing several years ago for his failures in finding/developing franchise qb.
But what's the point in putting resources into a FA veteran when we know damn well he won't be here in a year or so. Let the QB struggle early like Josh Allen but provide him the tools to be successful. Allen had way less his first 2 years in the NFL than what Williams has right now. That extra cap space can go for more depth or a better player.
The Bills literally hired a veteran QB specifically to mentor Allen. Yeah, Derek Anderson sucked as a QB but that doesn't mean he couldn't teach it. He had been in the league over a decade and undoubtedly had some knowledge he could share. I'm all for the Bears signing a vet QB to help (Insert your new QB of choice here) transition to the NFL. Maybe Brett Rypien is it, but I do kind of hope it's someone else.
We don't need another Mike Glennon or Andy Dalton situation. Just wasting cap and not really being a good teacher. Unless you got Kirk Cousins on a 1 year deal. Then I would be ok with that. No other FA QB out there is worth it.
Even learning from a great QB doesn't always mean your a good one. Jimmy Garoppolo being a great example.
This looks to be on paper the best Bears offense we've had since 2013 with Forte, Bennett, Marshal, and Jeffery.
I expect a lot of the veteran players helping our young QB learn his game. That's more important than a QB who will sit the bench halfway through the season eating up cap space. That's what hurt us more than anything else. Lack of real playmakers.
I know this is going to come as a huge shock, but we will have to agree to disagree on this too.