Anyone finding they're warming to the Bears drafting Caleb?

There's something we can agree upon.  

No one disputes that Justin didn't get drafted into a good situation (I won't rehash again why Pace/Nagy shouldn't have been allowed to make the pick in the first place).  What's been disappointing has been the amount of his improvement since.  As you just said, he had a "decent to good o-line", a legit #1 WR, and a legit TE this past season.

I wonder if folks realize that fully half of JF's TD passes the whole season happened in just two games against bad defenses--Denver and Washington.  In the other 11 games, he had only 8 passing TDs total.  

Sorry, guys, but that's a pretty brutal stat.  

Here's another thing:  Those that want to "build around Justin", cite the 'haul' of picks we'd be getting from trading #1.  Well, you can't trade down past #3 if you want to draft Harrison.  Let's say you get a 2nd and next years 1st for that -- an overpay but let's just say for argument's sake.  The 1st wouldn't help us this year and the 2nd is the same you'd likely get by just trading him.  Even if you want to trade further down for a true 'haul' this year, you're just assuming all those extra picks are gonna hit.  Well, they didn't hit for the Raiders when they traded Mack to us so what makes you so sure you're gonna automatically "build a great team" around Fields?

There's something we can agree upon.  

No one disputes that Justin didn't get drafted into a good situation (I won't rehash again why Pace/Nagy shouldn't have been allowed to make the pick in the first place).  What's been disappointing has been the amount of his improvement since.  As you just said, he had a "decent to good o-line", a legit #1 WR, and a legit TE this past season.

I wonder if folks realize that fully half of JF's TD passes the whole season happened in just two games against bad defenses--Denver and Washington.  In the other 11 games, he had only 8 passing TDs total.  

Sorry, guys, but that's a pretty brutal stat.  

Here's another thing:  Those that want to "build around Justin", cite the 'haul' of picks we'd be getting from trading #1.  Well, you can't trade down past #3 if you want to draft Harrison.  Let's say you get a 2nd and next years 1st for that -- an overpay but let's just say for argument's sake.  The 1st wouldn't help us this year and the 2nd is the same you'd likely get by just trading him.  Even if you want to trade further down for a true 'haul' this year, you're just assuming all those extra picks are gonna hit.  Well, they didn't hit for the Raiders when they traded Mack to us so what makes you so sure you're gonna automatically "build a great team" around Fields?

Exactly. I think it would be more of getting MHJ vs not getting him. Then using the second pick on a DE or 3T. Then going into the 2nd round getting a C and filling other needs. Trading JF would not have the same results. We would use the top pick on a QB rather than MHJ. We would, however get additional picks for JF, so that would offset the loss of MHJ. It still keeps coming back to whether or not we can win a SB with JH or not. That is not clear. We can't the way things are. I think that's clear. I'm not sure about the answer after we replace the OC, other QB and WR related coaches, add another top WR, and fix the OL. I am hopeful that we can with that.