I have watched his games and read the countless articles and watched the podcasts breaking down his game. He is a mix of good and bad traits. In some ways he is a bit like Fields in that he creates some of his own problems and then makes great ac-hoc plays to get out of the fix that he created. Holding on to the ball too long is one. I get it. Like Fields he wants to extend the plays sometimes to make a great play. In some games this year that hurt his team. Like any QB1 drafted, the kid will be a big ball of clay that will need to be molded into being a solid NFL level QB. Sometimes the floor remains low on these guys. Caleb could be the next Mahomes or he could be the next Johnny Manziel. Only time will tell.
I have watched his games and read the countless articles and watched the podcasts breaking down his game. He is a mix of good and bad traits. In some ways he is a bit like Fields in that he creates some of his own problems and then makes great ac-hoc plays to get out of the fix that he created. Holding on to the ball too long is one. I get it. Like Fields he wants to extend the plays sometimes to make a great play. In some games this year that hurt his team. Like any QB1 drafted, the kid will be a big ball of clay that will need to be molded into being a solid NFL level QB. Sometimes the floor remains low on these guys. Caleb could be the next Mahomes or he could be the next Johnny Manziel. Only time will tell.
So right now he is Caleb Manziel?
Could be Caleb Mahomes too... and doing the State Farm commercials next year :-)
This is why Poles gets the big bucks. Gotta figure this out and get it right. I don't think he will get a third shot at the #1 QB in the draft again.
I have watched his games and read the countless articles and watched the podcasts breaking down his game. He is a mix of good and bad traits. In some ways he is a bit like Fields in that he creates some of his own problems and then makes great ac-hoc plays to get out of the fix that he created. Holding on to the ball too long is one. I get it. Like Fields he wants to extend the plays sometimes to make a great play. In some games this year that hurt his team. Like any QB1 drafted, the kid will be a big ball of clay that will need to be molded into being a solid NFL level QB. Sometimes the floor remains low on these guys. Caleb could be the next Mahomes or he could be the next Johnny Manziel. Only time will tell.
He's not gonna be another Manziel. His floor is much higher than that. There's no comparison between the two as prospects.
Manziel did nothing but party and lacked adequate size to play NFL QB. He was drafted late 1st in a desperation move by the Browns and got flushed out of the league in a year.
Most teams wouldn't touch him a ten foot pole that draft cuz he was so toxic and risky. OTOH, most NFL teams would kill to have the #1 pick right now.
Night & day difference
PS: My wife and some friends actually met Manziel after he was out of football at a public place and let's just say his rep pre-draft for having "an attitude problem" was validated.
I have watched his games and read the countless articles and watched the podcasts breaking down his game. He is a mix of good and bad traits. In some ways he is a bit like Fields in that he creates some of his own problems and then makes great ac-hoc plays to get out of the fix that he created. Holding on to the ball too long is one. I get it. Like Fields he wants to extend the plays sometimes to make a great play. In some games this year that hurt his team. Like any QB1 drafted, the kid will be a big ball of clay that will need to be molded into being a solid NFL level QB. Sometimes the floor remains low on these guys. Caleb could be the next Mahomes or he could be the next Johnny Manziel. Only time will tell.
He's not gonna be another Manziel. His floor is much higher than that. There's no comparison between the two as prospects.
Manziel did nothing but party and lacked adequate size to play NFL QB. He was drafted late 1st in a desperation move by the Browns and got flushed out of the league in a year.
Most teams wouldn't touch him a ten foot pole that draft cuz he was so toxic and risky. OTOH, most NFL teams would kill to have the #1 pick right now.
Night & day difference
PS: My wife and some friends actually met Manziel after he was out of football at a public place and let's just say his rep pre-draft for having "an attitude problem" was validated.
Manziel is just a name I threw out there. Actually size wise he is similar to Caleb. Both were Heisman winners. And the ad-hoc play by both is a bit similar. And the questions about Caleb also include his mental make up. But my point is simply that you don't KNOW what you are getting until you get them. It is a totally different game at the NFL level. That's obviously why so many QBs who are great in college, don't make it in the NFL, or disappoint at the NFL level. You really don't know what the floor is until the guy actually performs at the NFL level.
He's not gonna be another Manziel. His floor is much higher than that. There's no comparison between the two as prospects.
Manziel did nothing but party and lacked adequate size to play NFL QB. He was drafted late 1st in a desperation move by the Browns and got flushed out of the league in a year.
Most teams wouldn't touch him a ten foot pole that draft cuz he was so toxic and risky. OTOH, most NFL teams would kill to have the #1 pick right now.
Night & day difference
PS: My wife and some friends actually met Manziel after he was out of football at a public place and let's just say his rep pre-draft for having "an attitude problem" was validated.
Manziel is just a name I threw out there. Actually size wise he is similar to Caleb. Both were Heisman winners. And the ad-hoc play by both is a bit similar. And the questions about Caleb also include his mental make up. But my point is simply that you don't KNOW what you are getting until you get them. It is a totally different game at the NFL level. That's obviously why so many QBs who are great in college, don't make it in the NFL, or disappoint at the NFL level. You really don't know what the floor is until the guy actually performs at the NFL level.
The only similarity between Williams and Manziel is they both play QB. There is almost nothing alike about their game if you watch the tape. Also unless Williams is also a secret coke head, mentally he's nothing like Manziel. People need to stop grabbing one or two impressions off of social media and then spouting off "concerns" and other grand narratives they have about somebody. It's the whole Cutler = Jeff George nonsense all over again. Do some actual research first and then you can at least make an informed opinion.
It is very possible to have a good idea what you're going to get with the right amount of research. Are you going to be a 100%? No, that's not possible but you can definitely narrow things down.
I don't know if this is some kind of emotional defense mechanism that many Bears' fans have. Where past failures mean future success is impossible. Like we have this idea we can never get the QB situation right so it must be all just a crap shoot. But it is possible to get a good idea of what you are getting. Is it ever a guarantee? No, but there is big difference between a 20% chance and 80% chance. From what I have seen so far on tape Williams is very much in that 80% range. We can't be scared to pull the trigger just because of past failures. How else are you ever going to get success otherwise?
Manziel is just a name I threw out there. Actually size wise he is similar to Caleb. Both were Heisman winners. And the ad-hoc play by both is a bit similar. And the questions about Caleb also include his mental make up. But my point is simply that you don't KNOW what you are getting until you get them. It is a totally different game at the NFL level. That's obviously why so many QBs who are great in college, don't make it in the NFL, or disappoint at the NFL level. You really don't know what the floor is until the guy actually performs at the NFL level.
The only similarity between Williams and Manziel is they both play QB. There is almost nothing alike about their game if you watch the tape. Also unless Williams is also a secret coke head, mentally he's nothing like Manziel. People need to stop grabbing one or two impressions off of social media and then spouting off "concerns" and other grand narratives they have about somebody. It's the whole Cutler = Jeff George nonsense all over again. Do some actual research first and then you can at least make an informed opinion.
It is very possible to have a good idea what you're going to get with the right amount of research. Are you going to be a 100%? No, that's not possible but you can definitely narrow things down.
I don't know if this is some kind of emotional defense mechanism that many Bears' fans have. Where past failures mean future success is impossible. Like we have this idea we can never get the QB situation right so it must be all just a crap shoot. But it is possible to get a good idea of what you are getting. Is it ever a guarantee? No, but there is big difference between a 20% chance and 80% chance. From what I have seen so far on tape Williams is very much in that 80% range. We can't be scared to pull the trigger just because of past failures. How else are you ever going to get success otherwise?
The only thing that worries me about Williams is if he'll win over the locker room and how he'll handle the scrutiny/pressure of the situation in Chicago. None of the on the field stuff worries me with him. Not to say he doesn't have flaws in his game, but he can make every throw, he is elusive and athletic, he's got a quick release, etc.
Honestly the QB name doesn't matter, it's not about any specific player, it's about the oc and who he sees as a fit for his scheme.
If that's fields they'll stay with him, if it's CWill they'll go that way, if it's another QB they'll trade out and take that one.
I just don't know how you skip #1 overall back to back years when the QB is still an unknown was quality, even if ascending. It's still possible they don't think cwill or maye is a fit though and look elsewhere
Honestly the QB name doesn't matter, it's not about any specific player, it's about the oc and who he sees as a fit for his scheme.
If that's fields they'll stay with him, if it's CWill they'll go that way, if it's another QB they'll trade out and take that one.
I just don't know how you skip #1 overall back to back years when the QB is still an unknown was quality, even if ascending. It's still possible they don't think cwill or maye is a fit though and look elsewhere
That's a bizarre take to me. Coaches don't matter nearly as much as the players you have. A coach might push things 10% one way or the other. But it's the players that are going to be the one's executing things. Give me Mahomes and a lousy OC over Fields and a great OC every day of the week. The players are the main difference makers.
If Williams (or whoever) is everything many think he is and Waldron can't fit him into his system then he's incompetent and shouldn't even be an OC in this league. Sure it would be great if things sync up nicely. But you don't choose your QB based on your OC. OC's are a dime a dozen. Franchise QBs not so much.
Honestly the QB name doesn't matter, it's not about any specific player, it's about the oc and who he sees as a fit for his scheme.
If that's fields they'll stay with him, if it's CWill they'll go that way, if it's another QB they'll trade out and take that one.
I just don't know how you skip #1 overall back to back years when the QB is still an unknown was quality, even if ascending. It's still possible they don't think cwill or maye is a fit though and look elsewhere
That's a bizarre take to me. Coaches don't matter nearly as much as the players you have. A coach might push things 10% one way or the other. But it's the players that are going to be the one's executing things. Give me Mahomes and a lousy OC over Fields and a great OC every day of the week. The players are the main difference makers.
If Williams (or whoever) is everything many think he is and Waldron can't fit him into his system then he's incompetent and shouldn't even be an OC in this league. Sure it would be great if things sync up nicely. But you don't choose your QB based on your OC. OC's are a dime a dozen. Franchise QBs not so much.
No scheme can survive lack of talent; but not all talent is capable of living outside of scheme's their talent works in. Example outside QB, DB's can normally play man OR zone, very few can do both; let alone at a high level. So yes talent matters more than scheme, but most of the time that talent will only matter if it's in the correct scheme. Brady isn't the greatest of all time running the Colts/Manning offense, Mahomes needed Reid to reach his ceiling; further proof, KC didn't change what they did from Smith to Mahomes; Mahomes just could do it a bit better. KC was only targeting Mahomes bc he fit what they wanted to do, is Ried incompetent b/c he couldn't use Watson or Mitch? Or course not, fit matters.
