Regarding the staff, it may simply mean that they needed to be replaced. A young 1st time HC has a learning curve. Now, with two years experience he has a better understanding of what is needed and the network now to better identify and hire better people. Regarding Poles truly believing in Eberflus let's see what happens. I keep remembering the Browns thought their first-time head coach, Bill Belichick was a bust and fired him. And it ended up he was a good head coach. There is a learning curve associated with hiring first time GMs or HCs. If a franchise is not able to endure the pain associated with that then they should stick to hiring guys with experience. Eberflus could still be a good coach. In his defense, in these two seasons he was tasked with a first season of riding out a tanking year with a roster that was emptied. This season he had 30 new/young players.
The Bears could reload with much better coordinators now. If Fields does benefit from the new coaches and the added talent from this draft, then the team is right on track for a 2025 SB ready year. I am not saying that "will" happen but that I could see it happening if the team gets the coordinators the team needs - and of course does well in the draft and FA.
Will it happen? I don't know. But I am going to hope for the best here.
Or if you hire a coach who so damn low on the learning curve that nearly all his staff is fired, maybe he should be fired along with them. They mentioned 3 or 4 guys proven track records who are better coaches than Flus.
You're preaching to the choir. We know. But it's done
Well, David, one of your three wish list items is now guaranteed--a new OC.
If they stick with Fields, just need a new C and additional stud WR and then it’s no more excuses time.
I said Harrison at #1. I am not interested in trading down so far that he misses on Harrison, but it wouldn’t surprise me if Poles does it again.
And I want a blue-chip DL or WR with the #9 pick. Don’t trade away that one, either.
My measure of success is winning games, not how many yards Fields throws. To be on pace in 2024 to be SuperBowl ready in 2025, we should be at 10-12 wins in 2024. That is my no excuses marker.
If we are 8-9 wins and 3rd or 4th in the North, people around here besides me should start calling this “rebuild” a failure. Deal?
Or if you hire a coach who so damn low on the learning curve that nearly all his staff is fired, maybe he should be fired along with them. They mentioned 3 or 4 guys proven track records who are better coaches than Flus.
You're preaching to the choir. We know. But it's done
But isn't pretty common practice in the NFL to not keep a coordinators staff coaches if they fire him? Why would we want Getsy's offense staff retained? What am I missing here with the angst over staff firings when the coordinator was fired? I don't get it.
The question to ask yourself is how much faith do you have in fields to lead you to the promise land? What has Fields shown to you in his 3 years of him running the offense that he is the guy?
He's one of the worst 4th Quarter QBs in the NFL. He hasn't even thrown for 3k passing yards He can never anticipate where his WR are going to go.
Even Trubisky had two 3k+ yard seasons.
Before the Packers game I thought maybe he did improve from week 1. That game truly showed us that we can not run it back with him. Its not his fault we lost but at the same time he did nothing to help us. Zero TDs. Sub 150 yard game. Packers have one of the worse defenses in the league. If Fields would of had a game where he did 200-250 passing yards with 2 TDs. I would run it back.
#1 Williams QB #9 Odunze WR
This needs to be our first two picks. (Unless Nabers lands at #9)
This post is so comical I don't even know where to begin.
1-Your main knock on Fields is that he holds the ball too long. Do your damn homework before posting. Caleb Williams is near the VERY BOTTOM of all college QB's in terms of time holding onto the ball before passing. In another post, someone actually posted a link that compared Fields time to pass vs Williams time to pass where both stats were taken from this year. Williams was a whole .01 second better than Fields. Now, given that Fields is 10x more mobile than Williams, paint yourself a picture of what that will look like next year - Williams behind center with the same time to pass as Fields. I'm not even going to go into how bad that would be. If you think this year's offense was bad you have a whole lot of preparing to do 2-Williams lack of maturity/fragile mental state. We've seen the breakdowns on live TV on many occasions. Refusing to shake hands with opponents after losses, refusing to speak to the media after losses, running to mommy and daddy and hiding after garbage performances. He is immature, fragile, and can't handle the pressure of college - what do you think a year of being abused behind our OLine will do to him? 3-Williams is an ego-maniac. His agent is already stating that from a compensation point of view, Williams is expecting part ownership of the team that drafts him. Are you F'n kidding me? Who does this guy think he is? 4-His dad is HEAVILY influencing his decisions. Usually, this would be a good thing. However, in this case, it is not. Remember the Eli Manning draft debacle where he refused (with the direction of his father) to play in San Diego? We are seeing the EXACT same scenario play out here. Williams (through is father) has already stated there is only 5 or 6 teams he will play for, and the Bears are not on that list. If he gets drafted by the Bears, he will most likely return for his senior season. The other route is to refuse to play and demand a trade route, similar to what Eli and his daddy threatened the Chargers 5-There are dozens of articles out there from analysts and ex-NFL scouts that make cases for Williams being a huge bust. Google is your friend here. 6- Williams was 2-9 vs ranked teams. What does that tell you? 7-Fumbles. He has almost as many fumbles as games started. Yikes.
My point is this - you are blabbing about Williams and I know damn well you haven't watched a single USC game. You are stuck on the pre-2023 groupthink that he could be the #1 overall pick. Data now tells us otherwise, and there are more articles arguing against being the 1st overall pick (or even 1st QB taken) versus supporting it. If you think Fields isn't the guy, that is fine with me, but don't sit here and tell me Williams is.
In doing some preliminary research on Caleb, in fairness you gotta admit he's looked very quick, accurate, and sharp on short-game throws too.
No one is allowed to criticize Justin here or to call out his obvious flaws. The mantra that it's all the coaches' fault is practically a scared dictum among the fanbase right now.
I watched Justin carefully this year both on TV and from the stands at the 40 yard line. I saw week 1 in person when Getsy went haywire with the horizontal throws to the flat (WR screens, tunnel screens, etc). In mild defense of Luke, the Bears SUCK at running them and Fields is part of that. Watch some tape from GB with Rodgers when they ran those plays then watch the week 1 footage of the Bears doing it. You will see the difference.
Rodgers was lightning quick getting those out and almost always placed the ball ideally for the target to catch and run immediately. Fields is SLOW(ER). Sorry if that pisses anyone off but he is. His windup and delivery are not as quick and compact thus the ball comes out later. He also not infrequently put the ball in a less-than-ideal position for the receiver to make a smooth catch and run (low, high, little behind, etc.).
These are quick timing plays that require precision to be effective. The net result of imprecision is that defenders are more apt to avoid, slip, or beat blocks on the perimeter which turns a 6 yard gain into 0 or even a loss.
Again, sorry if that offends anyone but Fields simply hasn't been very good at executing them precisely like they need.
Remember in that preseason game when Fields threw a WR screen in the flat to Moore and he made 3 guys miss and took it 60 yards for a TD? The throw from Fields was CRAP. It was low and behind IIRC. Look at it again. Moore made a good play just to catch the ball much less taking it to the house. That was 99% DJ Moore being great, not Fields "throwing a touchdown pass".
You're preaching to the choir. We know. But it's done
But isn't pretty common practice in the NFL to not keep a coordinators staff coaches if they fire him? Why would we want Getsy's offense staff retained? What am I missing here with the angst over staff firings when the coordinator was fired? I don't get it.
It should have been expected that when Getsy was let go, all the OFF staff would go too. Unless one of them was going to be promoted, which we now know wasn't the case. Sometimes an OL coach will be kept for continuity, (Didn't the Bears have an OL coach that survived several HC changes?)
I have no issues with Getsy and his staff being let go. I don't have an issue with letting the next OC decide Fields or not. Teams have barely started serious draft prep (they have been scouting and throwing lists around, but not dialed in 100%) and looking at roster projections for 24-25.
I do have an issue with keeping Flus. I am 100% out on him.
You're preaching to the choir. We know. But it's done
But isn't pretty common practice in the NFL to not keep a coordinators staff coaches if they fire him? Why would we want Getsy's offense staff retained? What am I missing here with the angst over staff firings when the coordinator was fired? I don't get it.
I think the complaint was that Flus coaches were let go but they kept him. Don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think that's what he meant
Well, David, one of your three wish list items is now guaranteed--a new OC.
If they stick with Fields, just need a new C and additional stud WR and then it’s no more excuses time.
I said Harrison at #1. I am not interested in trading down so far that he misses on Harrison, but it wouldn’t surprise me if Poles does it again.
And I want a blue-chip DL or WR with the #9 pick. Don’t trade away that one, either.
My measure of success is winning games, not how many yards Fields throws. To be on pace in 2024 to be SuperBowl ready in 2025, we should be at 10-12 wins in 2024. That is my no excuses marker.
If we are 8-9 wins and 3rd or 4th in the North, people around here besides me should start calling this “rebuild” a failure. Deal?
DEAL
IMO Flus is playoffs or bust next season which is why I don't understand pairing a new OC with HIM in a prove-it year. I'm also on record in another thread saying the POLES OWNS THIS as far the Flus/OV decision goes. In fact, this whole offseason is a career-defining time for him. If he flubs it, I'll be calling for head too and I'm not encouraged by this first move.
Also, "winning games" and the QB playing well (defined in yards, TDs, whatever) go hand-in-hand. Unless you're expecting a top-5 defense next season, Fields has to take a major leap forward next season if he's the QB.
He's out of leash and out of excuses in year 4 for sure. Many would argue he's already out.