I can take an educated guess. As the season goes forward these guys develop deep relationships. I believe that Poles decision was not 100% objective. I think he let the relationship color his decision. But of course, I have no way of knowing. Just a guess because the decision does not seem to be the best decision for the Bears.
Honestly I think a majority of the players came out strong for Flus and most if not all of the vets on OFF came down hard on Getsy. I think this is the same reason that will result in Fields trotting out there on week 1 against GB in GB.
I'm ok with Fields staying as long as they fix the OL and give him some more weapons and a guy that can game plan around his strengths, but not sure that will happen either. I don't think this decision will be made until they know what the other side of the decision is. In other words, in order to decide whether it is best to keep or let him go, you need to know the other side of it. Until he has a trade proposal to weigh against keeping him, I don't think he can make a fair assessment. I hope he stays and we use the picks to build the team
Post by bearsinhouston on Jan 10, 2024 12:37:19 GMT -6
If the criteria is they have to see improvement and then they keep you (which is the public facing story about keeping Flus), then they should also keep Fields. But I don't believe that was the main reason Flus was kept, and I think they are already leaning one way or another on Fields, although I have no way of knowing which way
Honestly I think a majority of the players came out strong for Flus and most if not all of the vets on OFF came down hard on Getsy. I think this is the same reason that will result in Fields trotting out there on week 1 against GB in GB.
I keep thinking that an important part of being a head coach is to have players who believe in you as head coach. The HC ideally needs to be the HC and coordinators do the OC and DC jobs well. The two coordinators failed here. Getsy seemed like a good hire at the time and most (if not all) of us liked the hire. We were thinking he must know what a good offense is all about... but in hindsight he was a bad hire. Alan Williams is a guy who did something inappropriate enough to get fired and I still have no idea what it was. But even he made sense at the time. He was a D coach in this exact same system that Eberflus wants to run here. He had extensive experience - even at the coordinator level. He sure seemed like a reasonable hire at the time.
I get it, that fans are very disappointed right now and want to burn it all down. And maybe it needs that. But maybe not. I'm going to try hard to just watch what happens now. Could be bad, but it could end up that these decisions are the best decisions. Only time will tell. I have no clue though.
In a nutshell, that is it. Does the extra time get him more confidence to continue to progress? It should help him relax and slow the game down. HOPEFULLY, in turn that will make him calm down and see the field better and faster and give him the confidence to place the ball where the receiver is not yet at. And help with consistency. That will again hopefully carry him to when he doesn't have time. Even with a great line, there are times you just don't have much time. I am betting he can get there with a better line, better targets and better advice/coaching and schemes. We are likely to get a more gifted athlete. But most of what a QB does is mental. I do see him doing better at progressions, and he makes better decisions in terms of getting rid of the ball. Still has a long way to go, but I see progress. Give him what he needs and then we will know for sure. But like more than one person has said.... By then we will have used up our first pick. So if we bet on Fields and pass on a QB and he does not come through, we have screwed ourselves. Of course the QB we pick could also not work out and we could screw ourselves by picking a new QB. Again, not a decision I would want to make. So many more ways for things to go wrong than to go right.
The question to ask yourself is how much faith do you have in fields to lead you to the promise land? What has Fields shown to you in his 3 years of him running the offense that he is the guy?
He's one of the worst 4th Quarter QBs in the NFL. He hasn't even thrown for 3k passing yards He can never anticipate where his WR are going to go.
Even Trubisky had two 3k+ yard seasons.
Before the Packers game I thought maybe he did improve from week 1. That game truly showed us that we can not run it back with him. Its not his fault we lost but at the same time he did nothing to help us. Zero TDs. Sub 150 yard game. Packers have one of the worse defenses in the league. If Fields would of had a game where he did 200-250 passing yards with 2 TDs. I would run it back.
#1 Williams QB #9 Odunze WR
This needs to be our first two picks. (Unless Nabers lands at #9)
This post is so comical I don't even know where to begin.
1-Your main knock on Fields is that he holds the ball too long. Do your damn homework before posting. Caleb Williams is near the VERY BOTTOM of all college QB's in terms of time holding onto the ball before passing. In another post, someone actually posted a link that compared Fields time to pass vs Williams time to pass where both stats were taken from this year. Williams was a whole .01 second better than Fields. Now, given that Fields is 10x more mobile than Williams, paint yourself a picture of what that will look like next year - Williams behind center with the same time to pass as Fields. I'm not even going to go into how bad that would be. If you think this year's offense was bad you have a whole lot of preparing to do 2-Williams lack of maturity/fragile mental state. We've seen the breakdowns on live TV on many occasions. Refusing to shake hands with opponents after losses, refusing to speak to the media after losses, running to mommy and daddy and hiding after garbage performances. He is immature, fragile, and can't handle the pressure of college - what do you think a year of being abused behind our OLine will do to him? 3-Williams is an ego-maniac. His agent is already stating that from a compensation point of view, Williams is expecting part ownership of the team that drafts him. Are you F'n kidding me? Who does this guy think he is? 4-His dad is HEAVILY influencing his decisions. Usually, this would be a good thing. However, in this case, it is not. Remember the Eli Manning draft debacle where he refused (with the direction of his father) to play in San Diego? We are seeing the EXACT same scenario play out here. Williams (through is father) has already stated there is only 5 or 6 teams he will play for, and the Bears are not on that list. If he gets drafted by the Bears, he will most likely return for his senior season. The other route is to refuse to play and demand a trade route, similar to what Eli and his daddy threatened the Chargers 5-There are dozens of articles out there from analysts and ex-NFL scouts that make cases for Williams being a huge bust. Google is your friend here. 6- Williams was 2-9 vs ranked teams. What does that tell you? 7-Fumbles. He has almost as many fumbles as games started. Yikes.
My point is this - you are blabbing about Williams and I know damn well you haven't watched a single USC game. You are stuck on the pre-2023 groupthink that he could be the #1 overall pick. Data now tells us otherwise, and there are more articles arguing against being the 1st overall pick (or even 1st QB taken) versus supporting it. If you think Fields isn't the guy, that is fine with me, but don't sit here and tell me Williams is.
The question to ask yourself is how much faith do you have in fields to lead you to the promise land? What has Fields shown to you in his 3 years of him running the offense that he is the guy?
He's one of the worst 4th Quarter QBs in the NFL. He hasn't even thrown for 3k passing yards He can never anticipate where his WR are going to go.
Even Trubisky had two 3k+ yard seasons.
Before the Packers game I thought maybe he did improve from week 1. That game truly showed us that we can not run it back with him. Its not his fault we lost but at the same time he did nothing to help us. Zero TDs. Sub 150 yard game. Packers have one of the worse defenses in the league. If Fields would of had a game where he did 200-250 passing yards with 2 TDs. I would run it back.
#1 Williams QB #9 Odunze WR
This needs to be our first two picks. (Unless Nabers lands at #9)
This post is so comical I don't even know where to begin.
1-Your main knock on Fields is that he holds the ball too long. Do your damn homework before posting. Caleb Williams is near the VERY BOTTOM of all college QB's in terms of time holding onto the ball before passing. In another post, someone actually posted a link that compared Fields time to pass vs Williams time to pass where both stats were taken from this year. Williams was a whole .01 second better than Fields. Now, given that Fields is 10x more mobile than Williams, paint yourself a picture of what that will look like next year - Williams behind center with the same time to pass as Fields. I'm not even going to go into how bad that would be. If you think this year's offense was bad you have a whole lot of preparing to do 2-Williams lack of maturity/fragile mental state. We've seen the breakdowns on live TV on many occasions. Refusing to shake hands with opponents after losses, refusing to speak to the media after losses, running to mommy and daddy and hiding after garbage performances. He is immature, fragile, and can't handle the pressure of college - what do you think a year of being abused behind our OLine will do to him? 3-Williams is an ego-maniac. His agent is already stating that from a compensation point of view, Williams is expecting part ownership of the team that drafts him. Are you F'n kidding me? Who does this guy think he is? 4-His dad is HEAVILY influencing his decisions. Usually, this would be a good thing. However, in this case, it is not. Remember the Eli Manning draft debacle where he refused (with the direction of his father) to play in San Diego? We are seeing the EXACT same scenario play out here. Williams (through is father) has already stated there is only 5 or 6 teams he will play for, and the Bears are not on that list. If he gets drafted by the Bears, he will most likely return for his senior season. The other route is to refuse to play and demand a trade route, similar to what Eli and his daddy threatened the Chargers 5-There are dozens of articles out there from analysts and ex-NFL scouts that make cases for Williams being a huge bust. Google is your friend here. 6- Williams was 2-9 vs ranked teams. What does that tell you?
My point is this - you are blabbing about Williams and I know damn well you haven't watched a single USC game. You are stuck on the pre-2023 groupthink that he could be the #1 overall pick. Data now tells us otherwise, and there are more articles arguing against being the 1st overall pick (or even 1st QB taken) versus supporting it. If you think Fields isn't the guy, that is fine with me, but don't sit here and tell me Williams is.
If we end up picking a new QB, I have and have had serious doubts on Williams
Hoge just talked about this on YouTube. He says Poles honestly believes Eberflus is a great coach, saying “Ploles has visions of Eberflus being carried off the field next year after winning the Super Bowl in New Orleans.” McCaskey or Warren would have to fire Flus over Poles’ dead body, and that’s not how things go in Halas Hall with all their value on “collaboration.”
Hoge also made a good point that the coaches Eberflus hired — DC, OC, RB coaches, TE coach, QB coach, WR coach have now ALL been fired and yet Eberflus STAYS. Throw all the coaching staff under the bus, while Poles defends Eberflus in his conference with Warren.
Regarding the staff, it may simply mean that they needed to be replaced. A young 1st time HC has a learning curve. Now, with two years experience he has a better understanding of what is needed and the network now to better identify and hire better people. Regarding Poles truly believing in Eberflus let's see what happens. I keep remembering the Browns thought their first-time head coach, Bill Belichick was a bust and fired him. And it ended up he was a good head coach. There is a learning curve associated with hiring first time GMs or HCs. If a franchise is not able to endure the pain associated with that then they should stick to hiring guys with experience. Eberflus could still be a good coach. In his defense, in these two seasons he was tasked with a first season of riding out a tanking year with a roster that was emptied. This season he had 30 new/young players.
The Bears could reload with much better coordinators now. If Fields does benefit from the new coaches and the added talent from this draft, then the team is right on track for a 2025 SB ready year. I am not saying that "will" happen but that I could see it happening if the team gets the coordinators the team needs - and of course does well in the draft and FA.
Will it happen? I don't know. But I am going to hope for the best here.
Or if you hire a coach who so damn low on the learning curve that nearly all his staff is fired, maybe he should be fired along with them. They mentioned 3 or 4 guys proven track records who are better coaches than Flus.
