I am not an expert by any means and I agree we have a chicken and egg thing going on here. In Bagent's first game, I saw a quarterback who moved instinctively with confidence. By his fourth game, he looked different as if over-coached and somewhat unnatural. When I watch Justin play, I see a round peg trying to fit into a square hole. He does not look comfortable or natural. Is this Justin, coaching, or now both? I think both, but I am not capable of determining whether the damage is reversible or fixable. We still see flashes in Justin (like the free-play touchdown to Moore against Detroit) that make me hopeful it is reversible and fixable. Regardless, we will not become a feared offensive machine with Getsy's play calling; unfortunately, I don't think he can be fixed.
Agree. We seem to hire HC’s and coordinators who have the smartest guy in the room syndrome. Rather than designing around the talent of their players, they elect to try and remake the player hence removing what made the player successful to begin with.
I looked at the boxscore after the game. Flacco threw for 374 yards! With the three interceptions, it just didn’t feel that way while watching the game.
Thats cause he threw for 212 of those yards in the 4th quarter!!!
Yeah, MP mentioned that. It’s a 60-minute game. The Bears have collapsed in 4th quarter over and over this year, and Eberflus/Getsy have a big hand in it. So do Fields and our WRs who can’t catch a football.
I am not an expert by any means and I agree we have a chicken and egg thing going on here. In Bagent's first game, I saw a quarterback who moved instinctively with confidence. By his fourth game, he looked different as if over-coached and somewhat unnatural. When I watch Justin play, I see a round peg trying to fit into a square hole. He does not look comfortable or natural. Is this Justin, coaching, or now both? I think both, but I am not capable of determining whether the damage is reversible or fixable. We still see flashes in Justin (like the free-play touchdown to Moore against Detroit) that make me hopeful it is reversible and fixable. Regardless, we will not become a feared offensive machine with Getsy's play calling; unfortunately, I don't think he can be fixed.
Agree. We seem to hire HC’s and coordinators who have the smartest guy in the room syndrome. Rather than designing around the talent of their players, they elect to try and remake the player hence removing what made the player successful to begin with.
+1 I believe it is (mostly) a disconnect between player acquisitions and what the coaches/schemes actually need and require. That's why I don't want to see Fields "forced" on the new coaches. If they WANT him, then fine. But if they want to draft a guy who best fits their offense (and the new Head Coach BETTER be an offense guy) then let the man draft the guy who FITS his offense. What a concept, right, LOL, don't try to smash the square peg into a round hole. It never works here. Never has. Never will. Same with all of the players. A new DC may not want the old 4-3 Lovie/Eberflus dudes. Or maybe he likes some but others simply don't fit his new scheme... gotta rebuild to some extent the defense too. And the OL blocking scheme could VERY well not be the outside zone blocking and require guys who can play the new OL coaches scheme. Same with our RBs if the new guy needs the RBs to fit a new/different run scheme.
This is why changing coaches is a killer, but a sometimes necessary move anyway. And obviously great players may plug into new schemes but may not be optimized for those schemes. Gotta keep them because you can't replace everyone overnight. More square pegs into round holes though. Coaching turnover hurts. But I think we have been backed into a corner here and have to replace them anyway. Again. Bears need to get the HC hire right this time. The turnover since Lovie Smith has really hurt the franchise, due to the fact the Bears get the new hires wrong. Time and again they get it wrong.
I am not an expert by any means and I agree we have a chicken and egg thing going on here. In Bagent's first game, I saw a quarterback who moved instinctively with confidence. By his fourth game, he looked different as if over-coached and somewhat unnatural. When I watch Justin play, I see a round peg trying to fit into a square hole. He does not look comfortable or natural. Is this Justin, coaching, or now both? I think both, but I am not capable of determining whether the damage is reversible or fixable. We still see flashes in Justin (like the free-play touchdown to Moore against Detroit) that make me hopeful it is reversible and fixable. Regardless, we will not become a feared offensive machine with Getsy's play calling; unfortunately, I don't think he can be fixed.
Bears had chances to fire Getsy earlier in the year and he deserved to be fired. That would at least have given you a chance to evaluate Fields for a long stretch of games w/o Getsy's involvement. That would have been important and valuable information, don't you think?
But of course the Bears wouldn't do that cuz they take some sort of sick pride in "never having fired a coach mid-season". As though that is some kind of rare virtue. Other organizations far more successful do it all the time when things aren't working out. Buffalo, Vegas, and Pittsburg did it this year for example and the first two have actually seen improved results since. The Bears stick to "traditions" that are completely meritless. It's how we roll.
We all know Justin "flashes" almost every game. He makes miracle escapes, runs, and sometimes throws (like the TD pass to Kmet on Sunday) that few other QBs could do. That stuff isn't the problem. The problem is that he isn't doing the more routine things consistently well. He's improved some the last 2 seasons but not enough IMO. Too often he's late and/or inaccurate on throws a franchise QB has to make. Too often he is slow to read and takes sacks by holding the ball too long. He fumbles too often and throws receivers open too rarely.
It's really freakin frustrating to watch a backup, failed-starter like Drew Lock light up an excellent Philly defense last night and wonder: "why the hell can't a Bears QB ever do that?"
Thats cause he threw for 212 of those yards in the 4th quarter!!!
Yeah, MP mentioned that. It’s a 60-minute game. The Bears have collapsed in 4th quarter over and over this year, and Eberflus/Getsy have a big hand in it. So do Fields and our WRs who can’t catch a football.
Hoge pointed this out in yesterdays CHGO.
For those who want to keep Flus cuz "he's fixed the defense", consider this: While he does deserve credit for major improvement since September, he's also presided over 3 epic 4th Q defensive collapses too. The defense has melted down late in the game multiple times which coincides exactly with the quarter of the game where Fields has also been least effective.
Yeah, MP mentioned that. It’s a 60-minute game. The Bears have collapsed in 4th quarter over and over this year, and Eberflus/Getsy have a big hand in it. So do Fields and our WRs who can’t catch a football.
Hoge pointed this out in yesterdays CHGO.
For those who want to keep Flus cuz "he's fixed the defense", consider this: While he does deserve credit for major improvement since September, he's also presided over 3 epic 4th Q defensive collapses too. The defense has melted down late in the game multiple times which coincides exactly with the quarter of the game where Fields has also been least effective.
Somebody on the Seahawks forum was talking to me about the side effects of Poles tanking in 2022. He said losing 14 games in a row created “loser mentality “. It affects both coaches and players in the 4Q. They lose confidence and make poor decisions — like having Jones cover Njoku! Or Fields holding ball too long in pocket and throwing interception or getting strip sacked. If you play scared, you lose. Lions did it for years until they started winning games. Winning games is the cure for loser mentality. Hopefully, it turns around in 2024.
For those who want to keep Flus cuz "he's fixed the defense", consider this: While he does deserve credit for major improvement since September, he's also presided over 3 epic 4th Q defensive collapses too. The defense has melted down late in the game multiple times which coincides exactly with the quarter of the game where Fields has also been least effective.
Somebody on the Seahawks forum was talking to me about the side effects of Poles tanking in 2022. He said losing 14 games in a row created “loser mentality “. It affects both coaches and players in the 4Q. They lose confidence and make poor decisions — like having Jones cover Njoku! Or Fields holding ball too long in pocket and throwing interception or getting strip sacked. If you play scared, you lose. Lions did it for years until they started winning games. Winning games is the cure for loser mentality. Hopefully, it turns around in 2024.
Yeah, I dunno if "loser mentality" is real or not.
It also could be just be crappy coaching and the fact that the Bears have been so one-dimensional most of the season. We saw that late in the Lovie era too. The D holds on for a long time before finally caving late in the game.
On Sunday, the Bears O had multiple possessions in the 3rd and 4th quarters where they could have basically put the Browns on ice. And they couldn't manage even a measly FG.
Post by butkus3595 on Dec 19, 2023 13:31:41 GMT -6
I'm half way through watching the offensive All 22...so far some of you aren't gonna like what I have to say. I have some criticism for Fields in there...but there some issues. I'll wait to post all of my notes until I finish the game.
I'm half way through watching the offensive All 22...so far some of you aren't gonna like what I have to say. I have some criticism for Fields in there...but there some issues. I'll wait to post all of my notes until I finish the game.
I don't think there is one single person to blame for this season. It is an accumulation of failures by a number of people. They all add up to what we see with this 2023 Bears team. If only it were so simple that we could blame one person. You could simply replace that guy and move on and win in 2024. But it is not that simple. If we zero on one game we can see it in that one game... a stupid play call here, a brain fart by Fields there, a stupid penalty that sets up 2nd and 15 or we are in a 3rd and forever play (yet again), bad officiating, dropped passes, a play call that leaves you absolutely stunned by the stupidity of the call... and on, and on, and on it goes. And yes, Fields is one of the factors in the long equation. I'll bet he would be the first person to admit that he has made far too many mistakes this season.
I'm half way through watching the offensive All 22...so far some of you aren't gonna like what I have to say. I have some criticism for Fields in there...but there some issues. I'll wait to post all of my notes until I finish the game.
I don't think there is one single person to blame for this season. It is an accumulation of failures by a number of people. They all add up to what we see with this 2023 Bears team. If only it were so simple that we could blame one person. You could simply replace that guy and move on and win in 2024. But it is not that simple. If we zero on one game we can see it in that one game... a stupid play call here, a brain fart by Fields there, a stupid penalty that sets up 2nd and 15 or we are in a 3rd and forever play (yet again), bad officiating, dropped passes, a play call that leaves you absolutely stunned by the stupidity of the call... and on, and on, and on it goes. And yes, Fields is one of the factors in the long equation. I'll bet he would be the first person to admit that he has made far too many mistakes this season.
The guy isn't afraid to take accountability...thats for sure. Thats why the locker room loves him. He'll blame himself first, even when he shouldn't. Thats what you want in a QB, thats what you want in a teammate, thats what you want in a leader.
