Well, I can think of reasons why they might prefer another team over the Bears. If this new QB plays like Zach Wilson + Bears defense = new HC suffers in Chicago for 2-3 years and gets fired. It also depends on whether they have any confidence that Poles can do his job.
The #1 asset that we (may) have here is President/CEO Kevin Warren. Warren has a rock-solid football reputation. Not as a coach but as a top-level CEO. His resume is stellar as an exec who just "gets things done" - look at what he did for the Big-10. That was stunning... at least I thought so.
Warren is the #1 key to getting a great HC candidate to trust in the Bears franchise and agree to come here to coach. But you are right about the "confidence" angle. There was a time when the Chicago Bears HC job was something looked upon as a sterling opportunity... but no more. Now we are like the old Detroit Lions organization and viewed as a crap franchise. Just a steaming, stinking pile of dog crap that a promising/ascending coaching talent does NOT want to step into.
I think our best asset is Warren. Only he can convince a capable guy to take the job.
You saw Trey Lance get traded for a 4th round pick...right?
I think that is a perfect example of why Fields won't garner 2.
If Fields ceiling is viewed as a career backup when he leaves here (and that's his ceiling not his floor) then no team in their right mind would give a 2nd round draft pick for the guy. Of course there are some pretty inept GMs out there, so maybe the Bears could fleece a team. But I agree... Fields won't garner a 2.
In fact, if Fields doesn't showcase something decent the latter part of this season, teams may just wait for the Bears to cut him at the end of the season. Who on earth NEEDS a bad QB? It's not like there is a shortage of them, right?
Well, I can think of reasons why they might prefer another team over the Bears. If this new QB plays like Zach Wilson + Bears defense = new HC suffers in Chicago for 2-3 years and gets fired. It also depends on whether they have any confidence that Poles can do his job.
The #1 asset that we (may) have here is President/CEO Kevin Warren. Warren has a rock-solid football reputation. Not as a coach but as a top-level CEO. His resume is stellar as an exec who just "gets things done" - look at what he did for the Big-10. That was stunning... at least I thought so.
Warren is the #1 key to getting a great HC candidate to trust in the Bears franchise and agree to come here to coach. But you are right about the "confidence" angle. There was a time when the Chicago Bears HC job was something looked upon as a sterling opportunity... but no more. Now we are like the old Detroit Lions organization and viewed as a crap franchise. Just a steaming, stinking pile of dog crap that a promising/ascending coaching talent does NOT want to step into.
I think our best asset is Warren. Only he can convince a capable guy to take the job.
The head coach works hand-in-hand with the GM — not the CEO. He needs to believe that Poles is up to the task.
I guess you’re saying it’s up to Warren to sell them on the Bears future. I still think Poles needs to be fired along with Eberflus.
There are very few people that in the history of the NFL have turned down a HC job. Or its been kept quiet to avoid embarrassing either side. It did happen to the Bears with McGinnis when the Bears announced he had been hired and then he turned them down. For all these coaches their end game is HC of their own team, and they know they get 1 shot at it. They might get two if they can rehabilitate the perception of themselves after their first job (which is why I'm stunned that McDaniels is now on his THIRD HC contract!!)
These guys all are super confident in their ability to be a HC. With two first round picks, Moore and the solid RB room I think any coach the Bears approach will jump at the job.
I think the DET guy when offered the QB he wants in the draft, another first round pick to spend on a LT or WR, and 95+mil in FA money would take the job. Not only that, its going to be a 5 year contract that will get paid out regardless of how many years he lasts and it will be 7 figures a year. Thats a lot of figures.
I guess you’re saying it’s up to Warren to sell them on the Bears future.
Yes. And Warren will undoubtedly evaluate where Poles is as far as his development to date. Where is Poles on his learning curve? What is his ceiling here?
Any new GM has a learning curve to climb, and not just Poles.
It's kind of like drafting a new QB in 2024. That new player will have a learning curve to climb. Poles, as GM is 6 games into his 2nd season. And just like you don't cut your new 2024 QB six games into his 2nd season (at least I hope not), it may not be best for Warren to give up on Poles that fast either. Will the new QB make some serious mistakes early in his learning curve? Certainly. Will new GMs make serious mistakes early in their learning curve too? Certainly. If Warren believes Ryan Poles is the best person to be GM then I think it prudent to at least withhold judgment on that decision and watch what happens with the team, 2024 and beyond.
There are very few people that in the history of the NFL have turned down a HC job. Or its been kept quiet to avoid embarrassing either side. It did happen to the Bears with McGinnis when the Bears announced he had been hired and then he turned them down. For all these coaches their end game is HC of their own team, and they know they get 1 shot at it. They might get two if they can rehabilitate the perception of themselves after their first job (which is why I'm stunned that McDaniels is now on his THIRD HC contract!!)
These guys all are super confident in their ability to be a HC. With two first round picks, Moore and the solid RB room I think any coach the Bears approach will jump at the job.
I think the DET guy when offered the QB he wants in the draft, another first round pick to spend on a LT or WR, and 95+mil in FA money would take the job. Not only that, its going to be a 5 year contract that will get paid out regardless of how many years he lasts and it will be 7 figures a year. Thats a lot of figures.
I think my point is that the BEST candidates will have a choice of teams. We may, or may not be their top choice/situation. There is more at stake than just money alone. They may not be content to be another Marc Trestman, but rather be a Kevin O'Connell or Sean McVay type. Just pocketing money is nice. But you can pocket the money and also live the dream if you land in the right opportunity. I think Warren needs to convince a great HC candidate that he WILL have that opportunity to succeed here.
We need a great HC more than a great HC needs the Chicago Bears. If the McCaskey fam is arrogant enough to believe otherwise, then they deserve a Trestman-level guy again.
I guess you’re saying it’s up to Warren to sell them on the Bears future.
Yes. And Warren will undoubtedly evaluate where Poles is as far as his development to date. Where is Poles on his learning curve? What is his ceiling here?
Any new GM has a learning curve to climb, and not just Poles.
It's kind of like drafting a new QB in 2024. That new player will have a learning curve to climb. Poles, as GM is 6 games into his 2nd season. And just like you don't cut your new 2024 QB six games into his 2nd season (at least I hope not), it may not be best for Warren to give up on Poles that fast either. Will the new QB make some serious mistakes early in his learning curve? Certainly. Will new GMs make serious mistakes early in their learning curve too? Certainly. If Warren believes Ryan Poles is the best person to be GM then I think it prudent to at least withhold judgment on that decision and watch what happens with the team, 2024 and beyond.
I guess my response is that every new GM starts at a different point on the curve. If you start at a low point, you can move up the curve in two years and still not be better than your competitor. This applies to GMs as much as QBs.
Brad Holmes doesn’t have tons of years more experience as GM, but he’s kicking ass. He started in 2021.
A) Fields is worth a 2nd or so, maybe a 2nd and a 3rd to a team like Atlanta. Remember, Trey Lance, a total bust who played in only 3 games, brought a 4th. Teams get desperate for QBs and they get overdrafted and overvalued as a result. Hell, Josh freakin' Rosen brought a 2nd and he was out of the NFL in like 3 years.
B) Mitch wasn't cut. He became a FA after his contract expired. Once they didn't pick up his 5th year option, everyone knew he was value-less. Fields still has the 5thYO available.
This probably won't happen but it's not the craziest trade scenario I've ever seen either.
A) Why is he worth a 2nd? Just saying it doesn't make it true. He is statistically worse than Mitch, who garnered 0, and wouldn't have garnered anything if they had tried. Lance was a bust, no doubt, but b/c he only played 3 games means there still a "ceiling" he can reach. Fields doesn't have one anymore. The book on Fields is out, and it's basically the same as Mitch, he cannot read a defense, he holds the ball to long, and his best option is to be outside the pocket and make something happen w/his legs.
B) There is no difference between cutting someone and letting them become an FA.
WNML made the only valid point, Pace is in Atl, so they might be willing to do something crazy since he drafted him. But I doubt it will be to give up multiple picks for a guy that has shown next to nothing other then against the worst defenses in the league.
For all his issues as a passer, Fields is far more talented than Lance, Mitch, or Josh Rosen. He also still has 2 full years of team control still available which Mitch didn't by the time the Bears flushed him.
If a trade happens, a 2nd is not unreasonable. QBs come at a premium. You may not like it or agree but supply and demand is a real thing. Plus Pace drafted him and is with Atlanta now.
I'm not defending Fields here -- he has failed to develop as a passer like we all hoped. But I do think a different OC could get more out of him than Nagy and Getsy did. He certainly has a higher ceiling than Desmond Ridder.
Ryan Pace is the guy that traded up to get Fields. He's still there in Atlanta. I've seen bigger stretches for trades. He might tell them "We can fix him for cheap".
That is the only valid point, he might say that, but he's not the GM, he's not the one doing the trade, they aren't going to give up multiple picks for a guy who's only good tape is against the worst defenses in the league. He has no upside, his stats/tape is worse Trubisky's, he's not going to get another guaranteed shot at starting unless a team is truly desparate/insane.
My guess is they get a 3rd. And next year when they decide to draft another qb in the top 5, and again ignore the OL, they'll be trading him for cheap in 3yrs also. Team needs to upgrade OT, OG and OC, and hope they all stay healthy. They also need a WR and TE to help Moore and create defensive problems and easy reads for the new qb. btw none of that is happening, one of those top picks is going DT or DE or WR, then the next picks in the 2nd-3rd will go def.
Here's the argument we are gonna be having here all spring (if we end up with 2 high picks):
In addition to QB, do you... A) draft MHJr B) draft a stud LT C) draft a stud edge D) try to trade down again
My early vote is for A though I understand why B is a valid choice. MHJr seems like a blue chip difference-making player who would be hard to pass up.