Warren is certainly discussing things with Poles. Depending on those talks I believe Warren will make a decision on Poles. I don't believe Poles fate is linked to a W-L record. It's probably more tied to his ability to identify and address issues and what his plan of action currently is going forward.
Warren is certainly discussing things with Poles. Depending on those talks I believe Warren will make a decision on Poles. I don't believe Poles fate is linked to a W-L record. It's probably more tied to his ability to identify and address issues and what his plan of action currently is going forward.
Well sadly Poles has failed at that since coming to Chicago. This is his team after all and his players on the field.
Warren is certainly discussing things with Poles. Depending on those talks I believe Warren will make a decision on Poles. I don't believe Poles fate is linked to a W-L record. It's probably more tied to his ability to identify and address issues and what his plan of action currently is going forward.
Well sadly Poles has failed at that since coming to Chicago. This is his team after all and his players on the field.
Sadly we can't judge Poles as his 1st draft class isn't 3 years old yet, and the players are heavily influenced by the coaches which are woefully inadequate. We may be able to judge Poles on his coaching hires, but even those may have been forced upon him. So no, we can't say Poles has failed. Not yet.
That's just my opinion though. We'll see what Warren does in about 2 1/2 months.
Well sadly Poles has failed at that since coming to Chicago. This is his team after all and his players on the field.
Sadly we can't judge Poles as his 1st draft class isn't 3 years old yet, and the players are heavily influenced by the coaches which are woefully inadequate. We may be able to judge Poles on his coaching hires, but even those may have been forced upon him. So no, we can't say Poles has failed. Not yet.
That's just my opinion though. We'll see what Warren does in about 2 1/2 months.
You may be right, still. What players did he draft that scream "success"? Giving up the #33 overall pick for claypool. Failing to draft a WR when you had 2 2nd round picks in year 1. Failure to not address the line better. Overpaying for 2 ILB in which are the RB's of defense in terms of value. Failure to address the Dline while focusing exclusively on the DB's.
How do you have the #1 overall pick and 100+ million in cap space and still look worse than you did last year? I wouldn't be surprised if we win one or two more games this year and that's it.
The only positive Poles has done was getting DJ Moore apart of the 1st overall pick trade down. I wouldn't even say DJ Moore is a blue chip player but he's the best player we got on this roster.
Sadly we can't judge Poles as his 1st draft class isn't 3 years old yet, and the players are heavily influenced by the coaches which are woefully inadequate. We may be able to judge Poles on his coaching hires, but even those may have been forced upon him. So no, we can't say Poles has failed. Not yet.
That's just my opinion though. We'll see what Warren does in about 2 1/2 months.
You may be right, still. What players did he draft that scream "success"? Giving up the #33 overall pick for claypool. Failing to draft a WR when you had 2 2nd round picks in year 1. Failure to not address the line better. Overpaying for 2 ILB in which are the RB's of defense in terms of value. Failure to address the Dline while focusing exclusively on the DB's.
How do you have the #1 overall pick and 100+ million in cap space and still look worse than you did last year? I wouldn't be surprised if we win one or two more games this year and that's it.
The only positive Poles has done was getting DJ Moore apart of the 1st overall pick trade down. I wouldn't even say DJ Moore is a blue chip player but he's the best player we got on this roster.
Counterpoints:
He took responsibility for Claypool and moved on. It was a mistake not because of talent but cuz CC is a flake-diva.
Darnell Wright is gonna be a good OT
I like all three of the 2nd round DBs he drafted. They will be good.
Moore is easily a blue chip player. Not even in doubt.
I agree that his FA last spring is not looking good. I wanted Orlando Brown and a DL and instead we got two off-ball LBs. Was also screaming for a C in the draft and didn't get one.
As far as coaching goes, Flus was a stupid hire for a team looking to develop and elevate a young QB. More and more we are starting to suspect that wasn't really his choice, I dunno. I am also starting to wonder if Poles was ever sold on Fields to begin with. Again, I don't know.
Regardless, I doubt Poles will get fired this offseason as he wasn't the GM who drafted a tailback to play QB. If he does, I won't shed any tears but I doubt he will.
Post by mrdynamite32 on Oct 15, 2023 21:55:10 GMT -6
Ric said Fields is a frontrunner and that got me thinking. Fields was the QB at Ohio State when they were dominating everybody, so there weren't a lot of opportunities where Fields had to rally Ohio State back in the closing minutes when they got behind. Having said that, that's no excuse for the way Fields has been performing since his time with the Bears, but I do believe that was a factor.
He had to know it wasn't going to be like that in the NFL. Problem is, the Bears didn't do a good job teaching him that.
Ric said Fields is a frontrunner and that got me thinking. Fields was the QB at Ohio State when they were dominating everybody, so there weren't a lot of opportunities where Fields had to rally Ohio State back in the closing minutes when they got behind. Having said that, that's no excuse for the way Fields has been performing since his time with the Bears, but I do believe that was a factor.
He had to know it wasn't going to be like that in the NFL. Problem is, the Bears didn't do a good job teaching him that.
How many games has Fields played in so far....30 or so?
I can't recall a single time in which he led a must-have-it scoring drive in the late 4th Q to win or even tie a game. Not a single one. Maybe I missed it.
Man, by now that should have happened a couple times just by dumb luck. Teams practice 5 minute drills and 2 minute drills incessantly so he doesn't get a pass on that.
I'll put it this way: if Bagent put that last pass 5 yards further instead of that wounded duck he threw, he would have more game winning 4th Q drives in one game than JF1 has had in 2.5 years.
I'm done with rationalizations for Fields, even though yes there are legitimate problems with those around him. He's in year 3 for crying out loud. He's out of runway and out of excuses for his constant failure to elevate his own game and those around him.
Ric said Fields is a frontrunner and that got me thinking. Fields was the QB at Ohio State when they were dominating everybody, so there weren't a lot of opportunities where Fields had to rally Ohio State back in the closing minutes when they got behind. Having said that, that's no excuse for the way Fields has been performing since his time with the Bears, but I do believe that was a factor.
He had to know it wasn't going to be like that in the NFL. Problem is, the Bears didn't do a good job teaching him that.
How many games has Fields played in so far....30 or so?
I can't recall a single time in which he led a must-have-it scoring drive in the late 4th Q to win or even tie a game. Not a single one. Maybe I missed it.
Man, by now that should have happened a couple times just by dumb luck. Teams practice 5 minute drills and 2 minute drills incessantly. I'll put it this way: if Bagent put that last pass 5 yards further instead of that wounded duck he threw, he would have more game winning 4th Q drives in one game than JF1 has had in 2.5 years.
You could argue the Washington ended with a must have it TD. It's a stretch, but that last TD took it from 30-20 to 37-20. It was a put away drive, not a come back win or nothing. Pro Football Reference said he had 1 4th quarter comeback and 2 game winning drives in 2022.
I worry about Getsy and Fields ability, together, to gameplay/execute a 2min drill.
Ric said Fields is a frontrunner and that got me thinking. Fields was the QB at Ohio State when they were dominating everybody, so there weren't a lot of opportunities where Fields had to rally Ohio State back in the closing minutes when they got behind. Having said that, that's no excuse for the way Fields has been performing since his time with the Bears, but I do believe that was a factor.
He had to know it wasn't going to be like that in the NFL. Problem is, the Bears didn't do a good job teaching him that.
How many games has Fields played in so far....30 or so?
I can't recall a single time in which he led a must-have-it scoring drive in the late 4th Q to win or even tie a game. Not a single one. Maybe I missed it.
Man, by now that should have happened a couple times just by dumb luck. Teams practice 5 minute drills and 2 minute drills incessantly so he doesn't get a pass on that.
I'll put it this way: if Bagent put that last pass 5 yards further instead of that wounded duck he threw, he would have more game winning 4th Q drives in one game than JF1 has had in 2.5 years.
I'm done with rationalizations for Fields, even though yes there are legitimate problems with those around him. He's in year 3 for crying out loud. He's out of runway and out of excuses for his constant failure to elevate his own game and those around him.
In the next sentence, I said that there was no excuse for Fields to have the performances he's having. If he hasn't learned by now, he's likely never going to.
How many games has Fields played in so far....30 or so?
I can't recall a single time in which he led a must-have-it scoring drive in the late 4th Q to win or even tie a game. Not a single one. Maybe I missed it.
Man, by now that should have happened a couple times just by dumb luck. Teams practice 5 minute drills and 2 minute drills incessantly. I'll put it this way: if Bagent put that last pass 5 yards further instead of that wounded duck he threw, he would have more game winning 4th Q drives in one game than JF1 has had in 2.5 years.
You could argue the Washington ended with a must have it TD. It's a stretch, but that last TD took it from 30-20 to 37-20. It was a put away drive, not a come back win or nothing. Pro Football Reference said he had 1 4th quarter comeback and 2 game winning drives in 2022.
I worry about Getsy and Fields ability, together, to gameplay/execute a 2min drill.
I was at a "game winning drive" in 2022 (vs Houston). It was the FUGLIEST "win" of all time. We won 23-20 on a late drive with a FG. Fields threw for 100 yards, 50% comp. rate, O TDs, and 2 INTs that day. He was fkn terrible.
That's not what I was talking about even though technically I admit it was a "4th Q drive to win a game".