Those are all good points. Fans want to boil this all down to "fire everyone" and draft more QBs - as if THAT solves every issue and problem. It doesn't. It hasn't. The problems are still there.
You can’t fire McCaskey and his “committee “.
You are the guy who said you need to see SIGNIFICANT improvement this season. Are you seeing it?
Exactly, David.
If you are a fan who thinks ownership change is the only hope and that's all you want to talk about, then I wish you well and I suggest you find another team to follow.
You are the guy who said you need to see SIGNIFICANT improvement this season. Are you seeing it?
Exactly, David.
If you are a fan who thinks ownership change is the only hope and that's all you want to talk about, then I wish you well and I suggest you find another team to follow.
This team is not even as good as our 2021 team. I know that McCaskey and committee have proven incompetent to find a GM and HC. However, as the expression goes, “Even a blind squirrel can sometimes find a nut..” Shuffle the deck, redeal, and hope to get lucky next time.
There is a difference between what should be done, theoretically, and what should be done responsibly. You don't fire a staff that has shown zero ability and promote a position coach from the same staff. And no person worth bringing in mid season is going to be worth keeping at the end of the season, both sides will know that, and therefore no coach would do it.
Ya you said that about Poles/Nagy; how'd that work for you? There has to be a plan going forward, and by tearing it all down, regardless of if it's deserved, you are starting the process all over, again. How's that worked out in the past? If there is a clear path forward, ya you fire everyone. If there isn't(again see Pace/Nagy) then you don't. Poles was not a better GM option then Keeping Pace, and Flus is at best equal to Nagy, and in reality way way worse.
When you constantly hire people w/no experience and give them 2-4 years to produce, you get what the Bears are, a mess and in constant rebuild.
This staff isn't coming back next year. I'm willing right now to wager a lot of money on that. They will be fired, its only a matter of January or sooner than January. It would take 6-5 the rest of the year to maybe save them and LOL there's no fricken way this team is winning 6 more games.
Yeah, If I'm Kevin Warren, I'm laying down the law and making a statement that I'm in charge now and things aren't gonna be done the same way they always have been. How's that been working out?
It doesn't matter who takes over as interim. Doesn't matter in the least. Going 2-9 the rest of the way is fine by me. Promote the STC. Who cares?
Flus was a defensive coach brought in to develop a young QB he wasn't even involved in drafting--how the hell does that make any sense? You yourself said ownership pushed Flus on Poles and he agreed in order to get the GM job--does that sound like a winning hand you want to run with?
As for Pace/Nagy (I assume you meant Pace), you can't be serious if you're saying those two weren't due (OVERDUE IMO) to be fired. Nagy couldn't adjust anything he did and Pace whiffed on 2 FRP QBs he traded up for. Those clown should have been canned a full year before they were.
Which brings me to the "plan" you mentioned. My plan is the same plan I was screaming for here after the 2021 debacle season when Pace/Nagy should have been canned: GET AN OFFENSIVE HC WITH A TRACK RECORD FOR DEVELOPING QBs AND TIE HIM TO A NEW DRAFTED QB.
If you want to fire Poles too, fine by me. I'm ambivalent on that one. Whoever holds the ceremonial title of "Bears head coach" the rest o this season is immaterial. In fact, if he's not good, which he won't be, it only aids the tank.
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Those are guys I'd be looking at for 2024. Kevin Warren's job.
Them coming back next year has 0 to do w/what you want, what I want, or what any fan wants. Wagering on something you have no control over is as ill advised as firing a staff mid season w/no one worth promoting.
You aren't Warren, you weren't in charge of an entire college conference, and will never be given the reigns of an entire NFL team. What you or I or anyone else would do has zero bearing on what a HC, GM, let alone a President would do. You have 0 skins in the game so it's easy to make decisions that have no weight behind them.
I'm not saying they were deserving of being fired, I'm saying, and what I said before they were, is that the team has, in the past, and could do worse, at least in Pace. Nagy lost the locker room, and was becoming a large part of the issues w/the players, hearing about what happened after he was gone, while he was here, he had to go. But b/c the Bears President and owners had no idea what they were going to do after the firings, we ended up w/Poles and Flus, 2 people worse then Pace and Nagy. It's not even debatable. Poles to this point, is worse then Pace, and Flus hasn't beaten(that I can remember) an NFCN team to date.
This isn't about what is right, wrong or deserved, this is about what will help and hurt the team; and tearing down the team, mid rebuild, only hurts the team, and will only lead to another mass firing and another rebuild mid rebuild. You cannot continue to watch the Bears flail away in the dark gm/hc after gm/hc and not question the point.
Okay name the OC/HC that has a record of developing a qb that doesn't already have a job, or is a methuselah and has no business being involved in the NFL. B/c I'm all for it, name the guy and name why he would want anything to do w/the Bears seeing how they kneecap every GM/HC before they could even finish the initial part of the plan to build a team. Why in Gods green earth would someone of that caliber want to be w/in 1000 sq miles of the Bears job knowing they are more likely to be fired then retained?
Think there might be a reason they get rookie gm/hc's or ex failure hc's and not stable vet coaching staffs w/a history of success. 1) they aren't ever available. HC's w/a history of success don't lose their jobs, they retire. The ones that do lose their jobs are the ones that are flash in the pans and couldn't sustain success. 2) They don't go to teams like the Bears who's owners are incompetent and will throw you straight under the bus after meddling behind the scenes to negatively impact your job.
There is a difference between what should be done, theoretically, and what should be done responsibly. You don't fire a staff that has shown zero ability and promote a position coach from the same staff. And no person worth bringing in mid season is going to be worth keeping at the end of the season, both sides will know that, and therefore no coach would do it.
Ya you said that about Poles/Nagy; how'd that work for you? There has to be a plan going forward, and by tearing it all down, regardless of if it's deserved, you are starting the process all over, again. How's that worked out in the past? If there is a clear path forward, ya you fire everyone. If there isn't(again see Pace/Nagy) then you don't. Poles was not a better GM option then Keeping Pace, and Flus is at best equal to Nagy, and in reality way way worse.
When you constantly hire people w/no experience and give them 2-4 years to produce, you get what the Bears are, a mess and in constant rebuild.
Those are all good points. Fans want to boil this all down to "fire everyone" and draft more QBs - as if THAT solves every issue and problem. It doesn't. It hasn't. The problems are still there.
When all you have in the fight is spirit, it's easy to throw everyone out the door and under the bus. Bad teams continue to do the same reactionary bad things and expect something different.
Thankfully I didn’t see the game, but reading through the comments, it looks like Fields was being Fields before he flashed the last two games. Time to be done with him. In terms of GM and coaching, Flus and company need to go. Poles stays as he has shown an eye for some talent and while not every move he’s made has worked, I like more of them than not. Keep in mind Flus does have Poles ear when making trades and draft choices. This season was all about determining what we have in Fields and now we know. Sadly we also know what we have in a HC and his staff. While I’m not a fan of mid season firings, I believe it absolutely must happen in order to set a standard that hasn’t been achieved in a long time.
Those are all good points. Fans want to boil this all down to "fire everyone" and draft more QBs - as if THAT solves every issue and problem. It doesn't. It hasn't. The problems are still there.
You can’t fire McCaskey and his “committee “.
You are the guy who said you need to see SIGNIFICANT improvement this season. Are you seeing it?
I'd keep Poles (whom I agree was probably influenced to take Flus), get an OFFENSIVE HC, draft a new QB, and start fresh.
I'm sick about the thought of starting over again, but I don't see this coaching staff as being capable of success. As angry as I am over the past mistakes I know that we can't change it. I'm thinking there ARE some things that can be done to give the team a better chance of being successful in the future. Ownership isn't going to change. That's just the way it is. Warren may have what it takes to set the table for success though. Many of us here have talked about NOT saddling a new HC with a QB from the failed regime. I'd like to see an offensive HC brought in who then gets to pick his QB. They need to focus on supporting that QB day-1 with (at least) a baseline of supporting talent so he has a good opportunity to succeed here - OC, OL, WRs, TEs and RBs (probably the easiest to find). I understand you don't get perfect everything... but there has to be a baseline of talent that is better than what the Bears usually give their new QBs.
So that would be a different approach than recent coach hires. Maybe Warren can achieve success where others have failed. Yeah, personally I'm not going to be giddy about firing everyone because it just means starting over again (no quick fix)... but we don't have any better options that I can see.
If you are a fan who thinks ownership change is the only hope and that's all you want to talk about, then I wish you well and I suggest you find another team to follow.
This team is not even as good as our 2021 team. I know that McCaskey and committee have proven incompetent to find a GM and HC. However, as the expression goes, “Even a blind squirrel can sometimes find a nut..” Shuffle the deck, redeal, and hope to get lucky next time.
Here's another old expression: "The owner isn't going to fire himself"
So I wish we could somehow get past this nonsense that we can't change a failed coaching staff and/or a failing QB because we "aren't set up for success" or whatever. Ownership owns the team and they aren't going to sell for the foreseeable future.
Kevin Warren needs to take charge here and start righting this ship. If George or Teddy try to interfere or influence him, he should threaten to resign and tell them to back off. I think they will cuz nothing means more to the McCaskeys than getting a new stadium deal done.
Thankfully I didn’t see the game, but reading through the comments, it looks like Fields was being Fields before he flashed the last two games. Time to be done with him. In terms of GM and coaching, Flus and company need to go. Poles stays as he has shown an eye for some talent and while not every move he’s made has worked, I like more of them than not. Keep in mind Flus does have Poles ear when making trades and draft choices. This season was all about determining what we have in Fields and now we know. Sadly we also know what we have in a HC and his staff. While I’m not a fan of mid season firings, I believe it absolutely must happen in order to set a standard that hasn’t been achieved in a long time.
I'm with you -- everything you wrote.
No one seriously expected this team to be "good" this year. The reasonable goal was to show considerable improvement, not exactly a high bar, and demonstrate a high enough ceiling to set things up for a playoff berth next season.
It's been a miserable failure all-around. Like I said earlier, I'm not going to get in the weeds on how much blame falls on Fields and how much falls on Getsy. I no longer care. Neither one has been good enough to have any faith in going forward.
This is a damning indictment of BOTH Fields and Flus/Getsy: We have played a very soft schedule thus far and are still 1-5. We haven't won a home game in 13 months.
PS Here's the record of the Bears opponents exclusive of their games against us: 11-12 We haven't exactly been playing the cream of the NFL
This team is not even as good as our 2021 team. I know that McCaskey and committee have proven incompetent to find a GM and HC. However, as the expression goes, “Even a blind squirrel can sometimes find a nut..” Shuffle the deck, redeal, and hope to get lucky next time.
Here's another old expression: "The owner isn't going to fire himself"
So I wish we could somehow get past this nonsense that we can't change a failed coaching staff and/or a failing QB because we "aren't set up for success" or whatever. Ownership owns the team and they aren't going to sell for the foreseeable future.
Kevin Warren needs to take charge here and start righting this ship. If George or Teddy try to interfere or influence him, he should threaten to resign and tell them to back off. I think they will cuz nothing means more to the McCaskeys than getting a new stadium deal done.
Warren is an unreadable black box. He will probably do nothing before the off-season. In terms of W-L record, I wonder whether there is a different threshold for Poles getting fired compared to Eberflus? Warren might fire both of them if the Bears win 3 games again. But Poles probably survives with 5 or 6 wins.