How many games has Fields played in so far....30 or so?
I can't recall a single time in which he led a must-have-it scoring drive in the late 4th Q to win or even tie a game. Not a single one. Maybe I missed it.
Man, by now that should have happened a couple times just by dumb luck. Teams practice 5 minute drills and 2 minute drills incessantly so he doesn't get a pass on that.
I'll put it this way: if Bagent put that last pass 5 yards further instead of that wounded duck he threw, he would have more game winning 4th Q drives in one game than JF1 has had in 2.5 years.
I'm done with rationalizations for Fields, even though yes there are legitimate problems with those around him. He's in year 3 for crying out loud. He's out of runway and out of excuses for his constant failure to elevate his own game and those around him.
In the next sentence, I said that there was no excuse for Fields to have the performances he's having. If he hasn't learned by now, he's likely never going to.
I know and I know that's what you meant. I merely was expounding on it. And venting my own frustrations with the Bears 40 years of ineptitude at the QB position.
You could argue the Washington ended with a must have it TD. It's a stretch, but that last TD took it from 30-20 to 37-20. It was a put away drive, not a come back win or nothing. Pro Football Reference said he had 1 4th quarter comeback and 2 game winning drives in 2022.
I worry about Getsy and Fields ability, together, to gameplay/execute a 2min drill.
I was at a "game winning drive" in 2022 (vs Houston). It was the FUGLIEST "win" of all time. We won 23-20 on a late drive with a FG. Fields threw for 100 yards, 50% comp. rate, O TDs, and 2 INTs that day. He was fkn terrible.
That's not what I was talking about even though technically I admit it was a "4th Q drive to win a game".
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Yeah, I responded with a literal stat, but context is definitely important.
I want Fields to succeed, just like I wanted Mitch to be the guy. It's likely on to the next one. 🤷🏼♂️
In the next sentence, I said that there was no excuse for Fields to have the performances he's having. If he hasn't learned by now, he's likely never going to.
I know and I know that's what you meant. I merely was expounding on it. And venting my own frustrations with the Bears 40 years of ineptitude at the QB position.
Will we EVER have a top-10 QB? Ever?
I understand. Sometimes I forget a lot of you guys were Bears fans before I was born and that you guys have seen far worse than I've seen.
I hope the Bears adopt a modern day NFL offense in the present day with a QB that can command a modern day offense.
With this performance, I strongly believe that had Fields been drafted by any other team, he may not be this bad.
So I wish we could somehow get past this nonsense that we can't change a failed coaching staff and/or a failing QB because we "aren't set up for success" or whatever. Ownership owns the team and they aren't going to sell for the foreseeable future.
Kevin Warren needs to take charge here and start righting this ship. If George or Teddy try to interfere or influence him, he should threaten to resign and tell them to back off. I think they will cuz nothing means more to the McCaskeys than getting a new stadium deal done.
I agree with that.
I know this is going to sound like an over-simplification of the situation, but it seems like Warren needs to begin with a viable plan - and then hold people's feet to the fire to follow that plan. Be ruthless. If the goal is to transition to the modern NFL with a modern offense, then "The Plan" should be to go all-in on that:
1. Hire the best offensive head coach that you can bring here to Chicago. 2. Hire the best offensive coordinator that you can bring here to Chicago. 3. Then priority #1 in the draft and free-agency needs to be offense first. Get the O fixed. 4. Let the new HC bring in his QB in this next draft. But don't stop at simply drafting another QB.Bring in the highest quality offense players to support that QB. Go 100% all-in on this... no more of these "hope and a prayer" guys. Bring legit talent to the organization's offense. Then, by all means work on the defense 2nd - after that offense is finally fixed. But don't lose focus on the offense until it is (finally) fixed here in Chicago. Get that monkey off our back.
The Bears have never done this in my lifetime. They may "talk" about offense but they fail to go all-in on actually making the offense priority one here. And before someone jumps in to say "well we have drafted a number of first round picks on offense" I'd point out that they have never "finished the job" of completing a viable offense - the entire package of OL, TEs, WRs, RBs and yes, the final piece, the QB. The whole package. This is what I want to see Kevin Warren do in Chicago. Have the plan to actually DO this, and then hold the GM and coaches' feet to the fire until they get it done. If Warren does that, then I do 100% believe we will see meaningful, successful change here. We will actually have a QB and offense success. Building a D is the easy part. It's the offense that has killed us here. So, build an offense first.
You may be right, still. What players did he draft that scream "success"? Giving up the #33 overall pick for claypool. Failing to draft a WR when you had 2 2nd round picks in year 1. Failure to not address the line better. Overpaying for 2 ILB in which are the RB's of defense in terms of value. Failure to address the Dline while focusing exclusively on the DB's.
How do you have the #1 overall pick and 100+ million in cap space and still look worse than you did last year? I wouldn't be surprised if we win one or two more games this year and that's it.
The only positive Poles has done was getting DJ Moore apart of the 1st overall pick trade down. I wouldn't even say DJ Moore is a blue chip player but he's the best player we got on this roster.
Counterpoints:
He took responsibility for Claypool and moved on. It was a mistake not because of talent but cuz CC is a flake-diva.
Darnell Wright is gonna be a good OT
I like all three of the 2nd round DBs he drafted. They will be good.
Moore is easily a blue chip player. Not even in doubt.
I agree that his FA last spring is not looking good. I wanted Orlando Brown and a DL and instead we got two off-ball LBs. Was also screaming for a C in the draft and didn't get one.
As far as coaching goes, Flus was a stupid hire for a team looking to develop and elevate a young QB. More and more we are starting to suspect that wasn't really his choice, I dunno. I am also starting to wonder if Poles was ever sold on Fields to begin with. Again, I don't know.
Regardless, I doubt Poles will get fired this offseason as he wasn't the GM who drafted a tailback to play QB. If he does, I won't shed any tears but I doubt he will.
Claypool was a mistake do to his failure to draft a WR with one of those 2 2nd round picks. He tried to cover it up with Claypool and it back fired even more.
Wright is going to be a good tackle but what about the other positions on the Oline? LT? C? another guard? Fields development should of been #1 when it comes to building a team. He blew on that. Should of picked up Orlando instead of two inside lb positions.
Flus needs to go. His style of defense doesn't work in the modern NFL.
If this team goes 3-14 again or worse. Poles needs to go. This is his team. He left go a lot of blue chip players.
I'm not saying Moore isn't great. He's a top 10 WR. Nowhere close to a blue chip player like Tyreek Hill. That's the difference. Marvin Harrison Jr looks to be a real blue chip WR who was compared to Julio Jones. If poles doesn't go after him with one of his 2 two top 5 picks then he needs to be let go.
He took responsibility for Claypool and moved on. It was a mistake not because of talent but cuz CC is a flake-diva.
Darnell Wright is gonna be a good OT
I like all three of the 2nd round DBs he drafted. They will be good.
Moore is easily a blue chip player. Not even in doubt.
I agree that his FA last spring is not looking good. I wanted Orlando Brown and a DL and instead we got two off-ball LBs. Was also screaming for a C in the draft and didn't get one.
As far as coaching goes, Flus was a stupid hire for a team looking to develop and elevate a young QB. More and more we are starting to suspect that wasn't really his choice, I dunno. I am also starting to wonder if Poles was ever sold on Fields to begin with. Again, I don't know.
Regardless, I doubt Poles will get fired this offseason as he wasn't the GM who drafted a tailback to play QB. If he does, I won't shed any tears but I doubt he will.
Claypool was a mistake do to his failure to draft a WR with one of those 2 2nd round picks. He tried to cover it up with Claypool and it back fired even more.
Wright is going to be a good tackle but what about the other positions on the Oline? LT? C? another guard? Fields development should of been #1 when it comes to building a team. He blew on that. Should of picked up Orlando instead of two inside lb positions.
Flus needs to go. His style of defense doesn't work in the modern NFL.
If this team goes 3-14 again or worse. Poles needs to go. This is his team. He left go a lot of blue chip players.
I'm not saying Moore isn't great. He's a top 10 WR. Nowhere close to a blue chip player like Tyreek Hill. That's the difference. Marvin Harrison Jr looks to be a real blue chip WR who was compared to Julio Jones. If poles doesn't go after him with one of his 2 two top 5 picks then he needs to be let go.
We have been over this before. It's easy now to say "he should have drafted Pickens". Hindsight is 20-20. You're conveniently omitting the fact that Pickens had significant off-field issues at the time and a GM just starting a rebuild didn't want to take a chance on a potential locker room cancer (ironically, like Claypool became as well).
And again, for the 596th time, he didn't "let go a lot of blue chip players". That's simply false as I and others have pointed out to David many times. Most of those guys he cut ties with in 2022 are JAGs or already out of the league at this point. And NONE of the better ones play on offense. They are defense guys only (Mack, Smith).
Like I said, I'm agnostic on Poles. If Warren fires him, fine by me. But I doubt he's in danger of losing his job even after this miserable season ends. He didn't draft Fields and this season's success or failure is/was 95% about Fields breaking out and becoming the guy.
Claypool was a mistake do to his failure to draft a WR with one of those 2 2nd round picks. He tried to cover it up with Claypool and it back fired even more.
Wright is going to be a good tackle but what about the other positions on the Oline? LT? C? another guard? Fields development should of been #1 when it comes to building a team. He blew on that. Should of picked up Orlando instead of two inside lb positions.
Flus needs to go. His style of defense doesn't work in the modern NFL.
If this team goes 3-14 again or worse. Poles needs to go. This is his team. He left go a lot of blue chip players.
I'm not saying Moore isn't great. He's a top 10 WR. Nowhere close to a blue chip player like Tyreek Hill. That's the difference. Marvin Harrison Jr looks to be a real blue chip WR who was compared to Julio Jones. If poles doesn't go after him with one of his 2 two top 5 picks then he needs to be let go.
We have been over this before. It's easy now to say "he should have drafted Pickens". Hindsight is 20-20. You're conveniently omitting the fact that Pickens had significant off-field issues at the time and a GM just starting a rebuild didn't want to take a chance on a potential locker room cancer (ironically, like Claypool became as well).
And again, for the 596th time, he didn't "let go a lot of blue chip players". That's simply false as I and others have pointed out to David many times. Most of those guys he cut ties with in 2022 are JAGs or already out of the league at this point. And NONE of the better ones play on offense. They are defense guys only (Mack, Smith).
Like I said, I'm agnostic on Poles. If Warren fires him, fine by me. But I doubt he's in danger of losing his job even after this miserable season ends. He didn't draft Fields and this season's success or failure is/was 95% about Fields breaking out and becoming the guy.
Poles isn't tied to Fields.
I agree and I'm not holding Fields to Poles but I do hold this team on Poles. If we regress every way since he started then there is a reason. He picked the HC and allow them to pick a defensive scheme that needed a 180 on defense. Blue chip players are still blue chip players. Hard to come by. When you let go of these types of players you will be judge for it. This team has no upside outside a better WR than what we had 2 years ago. Every other position regressed and then some. As a GM he failed to bring in quality FA's. Even Pace brought in quality defensive FA's in year 2. His draft has been underwhelming.
There is nothing in stats that show why we should keep a mediocre GM to once again fire him and force the next GM to be stuck with a HC they didn't want like we've done in the past. If we're going to fire everyone. We start with poles and work our way down.
I agree and I'm not holding Fields to Poles but I do hold this team on Poles. If we regress every way since he started then there is a reason. He picked the HC and allow them to pick a defensive scheme that needed a 180 on defense. Blue chip players are still blue chip players. Hard to come by. When you let go of these types of players you will be judge for it. This team has no upside outside a better WR than what we had 2 years ago. Every other position regressed and then some. As a GM he failed to bring in quality FA's. Even Pace brought in quality defensive FA's in year 2. His draft has been underwhelming.
There is nothing in stats that show why we should keep a mediocre GM to once again fire him and force the next GM to be stuck with a HC they didn't want like we've done in the past. If we're going to fire everyone. We start with poles and work our way down.
My big unknown issue is: How much of this is on Flus Vs Poles. If Flus says: we don't need a center because (insert your reason), does Poles say I don't care, and draft a center in the 1st or 2nd or 3rd anyway given the known holes they had to fill? If Flus says I need a defensive tackle and Poles says here are the best but but Flus persuades him to pick X over Y because they are the best fit "for the scheme", is that more on Poles or Flus?
My point is Poles does not make his picks or set his priorities in a vacuum. If he did, that would set up a bad situation (that we have seen in the past). Unfortunately, we do not know what went on behind the scenes. My guess would be Poles provided enough rope for the coaching staff to hang themselves.