And it still became the 32pick in the draft, which is a 1st. that's why there is a caveat put on it. Could have had 2 1sts, + DJ, and if Claypool was w/GB we'd all be rejoicing right now.
Nobody couldve known it would became 1st, so they traded 2nd. What is important is at the second of the trade, not later on. Sorry.
But they did know they were giving up a high 2nd, which was to much for Claypool, doesn't matter what they did or didn't know, it should have been a deal breaker and it wasn't. And it wasn't b/c of how poorly Poles put this team together via the draft in his first year, and that created issues in his 2nd draft.
His poor decisions compounded multiple issues w/this team, and it leads back to that 32 pick in the draft, 1st rd 2nd rd or otherwise. You don't get it up for CC.
Im sure that is nitpicking. Someone could say Brady was a very very late 1st rd pick, right? ha
nfl.com, espn.com and other said that then: Chicago Bears have acquired wide receiver Chase Claypool from the Pittsburgh Steelers at the trade deadline in exchange for a 2023 second-round pick, it was announced Tuesday.
So that was that, what happened afterwards is not important.
Are you saying that a #33 overall pick holds the same value as a #64 overall pick?
No, that why its early 2nd rd pick. Are you saying that #33 holds same value as #1
Nobody couldve known it would became 1st, so they traded 2nd. What is important is at the second of the trade, not later on. Sorry.
But they did know they were giving up a high 2nd, which was to much for Claypool, doesn't matter what they did or didn't know, it should have been a deal breaker and it wasn't. And it wasn't b/c of how poorly Poles put this team together via the draft in his first year, and that created issues in his 2nd draft.
His poor decisions compounded multiple issues w/this team, and it leads back to that 32 pick in the draft, 1st rd 2nd rd or otherwise. You don't get it up for CC.
I believe there is no one on this board or Halas Hall who now doesnt think that was a bad deal
But they did know they were giving up a high 2nd, which was to much for Claypool, doesn't matter what they did or didn't know, it should have been a deal breaker and it wasn't. And it wasn't b/c of how poorly Poles put this team together via the draft in his first year, and that created issues in his 2nd draft.
His poor decisions compounded multiple issues w/this team, and it leads back to that 32 pick in the draft, 1st rd 2nd rd or otherwise. You don't get it up for CC.
I believe there is no one on this board or Halas Hall who now doesnt think that was a bad deal
There is always the extremely remote chance he brings it to the field, the smack he talked about knowing the playbook. Son, you need to block like a man, not a 5th grader.
Even us meatball fans here could immediately see the obvious flaws in what they were doing.
These guys are supposed to be highly experienced, smart pro football coaches and coordinators. They suck until proven otherwise.
If that is true, I'm stunned they are stunned too. Did they think that what happened was going to pass without comment? After the tear down of last season? After saying (even though few of us believed it 100%) that the team had improved? Did they think the fan base and media was going to accept another loss to GB in the exact same way they have lost to the hated rival for the past 15 season? Don't these guy understand the utter dislike we as a fan base have for GB? If this had been almost any other team than GB the tempest might be a little smaller. But it was F%^%^*G GB!!!!!!!
I seriously didn't expect to win, but I was sure they weren't going to lose THE EXACT SAME WAY they have lost going back to Lovie saying "We don't practice against slants."
If they are stunned they need to resign now.
Brasil rants below like a crazy man. Read at your own risk.
I'll say it again. As a fan base we hate GB. I grew up next to a family that were from Wisconsin and had all pro sports Wisconsin rubbed in my face from day one. Brewers WS win, Packers, Bucks....every season, every year. I despise all things Wisconsin (beautiful state parks, I'll give them that. i have great memories of camping with my family in Governor Dodge State Park. I've camped and canoed down the Wisconsin River from midstate all the way to the Mississippi.) But especially the Packers. I went to college with Packers fans, the room next to me was unbearable 24-7. If the Packers never won another game, sold the stadium and moved to Mexico City I would throw a party for this board and pay for the open bar. To sit through another loss like the ones I sat through from the end of Lovie, through Conte deciding to not cover Cobb, with Fox standing there dumbfounded again, to Rodgers screaming "I own you!" And then they trot out that performance on Sunday? And they are stunned?
And they don't have answers? I got answers for them. STOP RUNNING WR SCREENS! STOP PLAYING A SOFT COVER-2 WHEN YOU DON'T BLITZ! COVER SOMEONE ON THIRD DOWN! THROW THE BALL DOWN FIELD! USE M.LEWIS FOR WHY YOU SIGNED HIM! THROW THE BALL TO MOORE! MAKE JOHNSON THE #2 RB! TELL WILLIAMS IF HIS DEF GIVES UP MORE THAN 2 THIRD AND 10+ AGAIN NOT TO EVEN GO TO THE LOCKERROON AFTER THE GAME, JUST GO HOME WE'LL SHIP YOU YOUR STUFF! TELL GETSY THAT IF HE EVER RUNS A SNEAK WITH A TE/WR/FB AGAIN HE CAN HAND HIS HEADSET TO THE NEAREST INTERN AND LEAVE THE STADIUM!
I rarely swear but GTFO. [\spoiler]
Sunday was only a shock to people drinking the kool aide and clueless national pundits. GB worked feverishly the past few years putting together a big nasty front seven to counter what the niners did to them in the playoffs a few years back. They are big, mean and fast. Chicago's offensive line was questionable the entire off season. GB has it's OLINE back together from the injury plagued unit a year ago, one of the best in the league. Chicago has had a questionable pass rush all off season... I said before the game GB would win this game because it would dominate the trenches. They are the youngest team in the league but also the tallest, heaviest and fastest. FIrst round picks dedicated to premium position like pass rusher. This game should have been no surprise to anyone who paid attention to the rival. And Love looking decent didn't surprise anyone who watched his consistency and poise the last two years. Off season hype is just smoke when you don't look at the facts. Chicago was always about 2024/25 not 2023.
Are you saying that a #33 overall pick holds the same value as a #64 overall pick?
No, that why its early 2nd rd pick. Are you saying that #33 holds same value as #1
Can't believe we are arguing about this.
Bears traded a 2nd for CC mid-season last yr cuz it was obvious Pringle/Harry/Pettis sucked and he needed SOMETHING. We were 3-4 at the time it happened. No one here expected us to lose the next 10 straight. That plus some help from Lovie made a mid-2nd pick into the #33 pick which in turn became the #32 pick cuz Miami got docked their 1st rounder.
At the time, I thought it made some sense to help Fields out. Obviously, it hasn't worked out and clearly the trade wouldn't be made again if the clock could be rewinded.
I'm gonna repeat one more time my feelings on CC at this point: Not excusing his loafing one bit. Flus met with him about it and I hope he laid down the law (happens again and you're benched). The guy is a diva, no question. There's no way I'm re-signing him even if he balls out the next 16 games. But he is a Bear until January so make the best of it before moving on.
Having said that, he is hardly the first WR to be a diva. He is also as physically gifted and unique as they come. Guys with his combo of size, length, and speed don't grow on trees. Asking him to not be involved at all in the offense and to merely block on the perimeter is a COMPLETE WASTE OF WHAT HE BRINGS TO THE TABLE. It's coaching malpractice and no surprise CC checked out mentally last weekend.
I want him and Moore getting TARGETS early this Sunday. Continue to feed them the ball as warranted by results. If Claypool loafs again or drops the ball or doesn't get separation, then yeah pull him out of the game and he's done. But feed him the ball and get him involved (mentally and physically) in the offense to start.
Mark Carmen's analogy to a big man in the NBA running the court hard and expecting the ball for doing so is spot on.
It basically comes down to this -- can the Bears coaching staff STOP BEING STUPID?
Use the weapons you have and stop playing this pussy horizontal offense. It's a surefire loser.
If that is true, I'm stunned they are stunned too. Did they think that what happened was going to pass without comment? After the tear down of last season? After saying (even though few of us believed it 100%) that the team had improved? Did they think the fan base and media was going to accept another loss to GB in the exact same way they have lost to the hated rival for the past 15 season? Don't these guy understand the utter dislike we as a fan base have for GB? If this had been almost any other team than GB the tempest might be a little smaller. But it was F%^%^*G GB!!!!!!!
I seriously didn't expect to win, but I was sure they weren't going to lose THE EXACT SAME WAY they have lost going back to Lovie saying "We don't practice against slants."
If they are stunned they need to resign now.
Brasil rants below like a crazy man. Read at your own risk.
I'll say it again. As a fan base we hate GB. I grew up next to a family that were from Wisconsin and had all pro sports Wisconsin rubbed in my face from day one. Brewers WS win, Packers, Bucks....every season, every year. I despise all things Wisconsin (beautiful state parks, I'll give them that. i have great memories of camping with my family in Governor Dodge State Park. I've camped and canoed down the Wisconsin River from midstate all the way to the Mississippi.) But especially the Packers. I went to college with Packers fans, the room next to me was unbearable 24-7. If the Packers never won another game, sold the stadium and moved to Mexico City I would throw a party for this board and pay for the open bar. To sit through another loss like the ones I sat through from the end of Lovie, through Conte deciding to not cover Cobb, with Fox standing there dumbfounded again, to Rodgers screaming "I own you!" And then they trot out that performance on Sunday? And they are stunned?
And they don't have answers? I got answers for them. STOP RUNNING WR SCREENS! STOP PLAYING A SOFT COVER-2 WHEN YOU DON'T BLITZ! COVER SOMEONE ON THIRD DOWN! THROW THE BALL DOWN FIELD! USE M.LEWIS FOR WHY YOU SIGNED HIM! THROW THE BALL TO MOORE! MAKE JOHNSON THE #2 RB! TELL WILLIAMS IF HIS DEF GIVES UP MORE THAN 2 THIRD AND 10+ AGAIN NOT TO EVEN GO TO THE LOCKERROON AFTER THE GAME, JUST GO HOME WE'LL SHIP YOU YOUR STUFF! TELL GETSY THAT IF HE EVER RUNS A SNEAK WITH A TE/WR/FB AGAIN HE CAN HAND HIS HEADSET TO THE NEAREST INTERN AND LEAVE THE STADIUM!
I rarely swear but GTFO. [\spoiler]
Sunday was only a shock to people drinking the kool aide and clueless national pundits. GB worked feverishly the past few years putting together a big nasty front seven to counter what the niners did to them in the playoffs a few years back. They are big, mean and fast. Chicago's offensive line was questionable the entire off season. GB has it's OLINE back together from the injury plagued unit a year ago, one of the best in the league. Chicago has had a questionable pass rush all off season... I said before the game GB would win this game because it would dominate the trenches. They are the youngest team in the league but also the tallest, heaviest and fastest. FIrst round picks dedicated to premium position like pass rusher. This game should have been no surprise to anyone who paid attention to the rival. And Love looking decent didn't surprise anyone who watched his consistency and poise the last two years. Off season hype is just smoke when you don't look at the facts. Chicago was always about 2024/25 not 2023.
I agree with that. If a team is a total failure in the trenches then you have a bad team. Period. No amount of talent can overcome a DL & OL that is weak. Can’t happen.
Bears need to fix the lines, both of them. Then build from there. I don’t want another QB here until that happens. Because it just perpetuates the cycle of a failed franchise.
No, that why its early 2nd rd pick. Are you saying that #33 holds same value as #1
Can't believe we are arguing about this.
Bears traded a 2nd for CC mid-season last yr cuz it was obvious Pringle/Harry/Pettis sucked and he needed SOMETHING. We were 3-4 at the time it happened. No one here expected us to lose the next 10 straight. That plus some help from Lovie made a mid-2nd pick into the #33 pick which in turn became the #32 pick cuz Miami got docked their 1st rounder.
At the time, I thought it made some sense to help Fields out. Obviously, it hasn't worked out and clearly the trade wouldn't be made again if the clock could be rewinded.
I'm gonna repeat one more time my feelings on CC at this point: Not excusing his loafing one bit. Flus met with him about it and I hope he laid down the law (happens again and you're benched). The guy is a diva, no question. There's no way I'm re-signing him even if he balls out the next 16 games. But he is a Bear until January so make the best of it before moving on.
Having said that, he is hardly the first WR to be a diva. He is also as physically gifted and unique as they come. Guys with his combo of size, length, and speed don't grow on trees. Asking him to not be involved at all in the offense and to merely block on the perimeter is a COMPLETE WASTE OF WHAT HE BRINGS TO THE TABLE. It's coaching malpractice and no surprise CC checked out mentally last weekend.
I want him and Moore getting TARGETS early this Sunday. Continue to feed them the ball as warranted by results. If Claypool loafs again or drops the ball or doesn't get separation, then yeah pull him out of the game and he's done. But feed him the ball and get him involved (mentally and physically) in the offense to start.
Mark Carmen's analogy to a big man in the NBA running the court hard and expecting the ball for doing so is spot on.
It basically comes down to this -- can the Bears coaching staff STOP BEING STUPID?
Use the weapons you have and stop playing this pussy horizontal offense. It's a surefire loser.
I’m ready to go with Tyler Scott right now.
Claypool plays for himself. I bet he was unhappy about Moore coming in to fill the WR1 position. As they say in the military, he needs an attitude adjustment.
Sunday was only a shock to people drinking the kool aide and clueless national pundits. GB worked feverishly the past few years putting together a big nasty front seven to counter what the niners did to them in the playoffs a few years back. They are big, mean and fast. Chicago's offensive line was questionable the entire off season. GB has it's OLINE back together from the injury plagued unit a year ago, one of the best in the league. Chicago has had a questionable pass rush all off season... I said before the game GB would win this game because it would dominate the trenches. They are the youngest team in the league but also the tallest, heaviest and fastest. FIrst round picks dedicated to premium position like pass rusher. This game should have been no surprise to anyone who paid attention to the rival. And Love looking decent didn't surprise anyone who watched his consistency and poise the last two years. Off season hype is just smoke when you don't look at the facts. Chicago was always about 2024/25 not 2023.
I agree with that. If a team is a total failure in the trenches then you have a bad team. Period. No amount of talent can overcome a DL & OL that is weak. Can’t happen.
Bears need to fix the lines, both of them. Then build from there. I don’t want another QB here until that happens. Because it just perpetuates the cycle of a failed franchise.
This is the Ric plan. Sorry, but you DRAFT A QB when you need a QB and you keep drafting them until you get it right. It's very difficult to draft a QB if you're picking at #16 or something. Then you have to trade away multiple future firsts to move up and then you don't have draft capital to add the "surrounding cast" the new QB needs.
If you need a QB and you're in high enough draft position to get one, then YOU DRAFT HIM.
I don't want to spend another 2-3 years farting around with Andy Dalton or Nick Foles or hanging onto a failed guy like Trubisky cuz you're too afraid to take a shot.
Draft QBs and keep drafting them until you hit on one.
We are in week 2 of the season and I'm already seeing excuses being made for Fields. We said NO EXCUSES this season. It's YEAR 3 for crying out loud. Fields needs to step us his game NOW.