Sunday was only a shock to people drinking the kool aide and clueless national pundits. GB worked feverishly the past few years putting together a big nasty front seven to counter what the niners did to them in the playoffs a few years back. They are big, mean and fast. Chicago's offensive line was questionable the entire off season. GB has it's OLINE back together from the injury plagued unit a year ago, one of the best in the league. Chicago has had a questionable pass rush all off season... I said before the game GB would win this game because it would dominate the trenches. They are the youngest team in the league but also the tallest, heaviest and fastest. FIrst round picks dedicated to premium position like pass rusher. This game should have been no surprise to anyone who paid attention to the rival. And Love looking decent didn't surprise anyone who watched his consistency and poise the last two years. Off season hype is just smoke when you don't look at the facts. Chicago was always about 2024/25 not 2023.
I agree with that. If a team is a total failure in the trenches then you have a bad team. Period. No amount of talent can overcome a DL & OL that is weak. Can’t happen.
Bears need to fix the lines, both of them. Then build from there. I don’t want another QB here until that happens. Because it just perpetuates the cycle of a failed franchise.
That's what I would do. I think you build a line around Fields and decide to be run first and pass off play action. There was all this hype about DJ Moore. Jaire Alexander blanked Justin Jefferson, Moore wasn't going to torch him. The team that can run the ball and rush the passer will win 99/100.
I agree with that. If a team is a total failure in the trenches then you have a bad team. Period. No amount of talent can overcome a DL & OL that is weak. Can’t happen.
Bears need to fix the lines, both of them. Then build from there. I don’t want another QB here until that happens. Because it just perpetuates the cycle of a failed franchise.
This is the Ric plan. Sorry, but you DRAFT A QB when you need a QB and you keep drafting them until you get it right. It's very difficult to draft a QB if you're picking at #16 or something. Then you have to trade away multiple future firsts to move up and then you don't have draft capital to add the "surrounding cast" the new QB needs.
If you need a QB and you're in high enough draft position to get one, then YOU DRAFT HIM.
I don't want to spend another 2-3 years farting around with Andy Dalton or Nick Foles or hanging onto a failed guy like Trubisky cuz you're too afraid to take a shot.
Draft QBs and keep drafting them until you hit on one.
We are in week 2 of the season and I'm already seeing excuses being made for Fields. We said NO EXCUSES this season. It's YEAR 3 for crying out loud. Fields needs to step us his game NOW.
Actually the time to draft a QB is when you DON'T need one. Build up that OLINE and front seven, start an Andy Dalton until a QB you love falls into ur lap. Pick any up and coming good young QB in the league and tell me how he'd look behind this current Bears OLINE... I don't see lions fans bitching about Goff, an average QB, who shreds defenses when he has all day to throw.
Sorry, but you DRAFT A QB when you need a QB and you keep drafting them until you get it right.
We've had over 40 (failed) starting QBs here. That "get it right" thing hasn't worked for us. It won't. Oh, it will shut the fans up for a couple of years. In fact Like Trubisky and Fields it will thrill the fan base and buy the McCaskeys, Warren and Poles a couple of years. It's an old trick that seems to work with us fans who are so gullible. But it doesn't work here for the team. It never has. It never will.
But the fans will get what they want. Poles will draft a kid. He won't thrive here either. We've seen this movie before and we know how it ends. It doesn't end well. Yeah, we'll get thrown another bone to shut us up so we still buy the tickets and merch... but until the franchise treats the disease rather than the symptoms of that disease, the misery will go on.
If we believe otherwise then we truly are rubes and deserve what the McCaskey's dish out to us.
I agree with that. If a team is a total failure in the trenches then you have a bad team. Period. No amount of talent can overcome a DL & OL that is weak. Can’t happen.
Bears need to fix the lines, both of them. Then build from there. I don’t want another QB here until that happens. Because it just perpetuates the cycle of a failed franchise.
This is the Ric plan. Sorry, but you DRAFT A QB when you need a QB and you keep drafting them until you get it right. It's very difficult to draft a QB if you're picking at #16 or something. Then you have to trade away multiple future firsts to move up and then you don't have draft capital to add the "surrounding cast" the new QB needs.
If you need a QB and you're in high enough draft position to get one, then YOU DRAFT HIM.
I don't want to spend another 2-3 years farting around with Andy Dalton or Nick Foles or hanging onto a failed guy like Trubisky cuz you're too afraid to take a shot.
Draft QBs and keep drafting them until you hit on one.
We are in week 2 of the season and I'm already seeing excuses being made for Fields. We said NO EXCUSES this season. It's YEAR 3 for crying out loud. Fields needs to step us his game NOW.
Fields had 34 pressures last week. That is enough to unsettle him on downs where he is not getting immediate pressure. He is simply not comfortable in those drop back pass plays.
In the second half of the season with (hopefully) Jenkins and Davis at their best and Getsy coming up with a sensible game plan, that is when there are no excuses for Fields. I thought we’d already be there.
I have more confidence in Field’s capacity to eventually excel at his job than I have in Poles. Most of his acquisitions have been less than impressive, if not outright failures. I’ll make exceptions for Brax and Sanborn.
Actually the time to draft a QB is when you DON'T need one. Build up that OLINE and front seven, start an Andy Dalton until a QB you love falls into ur lap. Pick any up and coming good young QB in the league and tell me how he'd look behind this current Bears OLINE... I don't see lions fans bitching about Goff, an average QB, who shreds defenses when he has all day to throw.
+1 This is "Football 101" and yet fans think you just "draft a guy" and it's all good. For Bears fans to still believe this after over 40 failed QBs here, well, I have no words...
Post by brasilbear on Sept 15, 2023 10:19:33 GMT -6
Its actually slightly less valuable (from a cap point of view only) than a first round pick because the teams loses a year of control on a fairly high level prospect. So its not basicially a low first round pick. The 1st rounder has the added value of a 5th year at the rookie numbers.
Look at the picks in the 23 draft:
31 KC Felix Anudike-Uzomah DE 4yrs (+team option) total salary: $11,817,817 signing bonus; $5,594,776 23cap: $2,148,694
32 PIT Joey Porter Jr. CB 4yrs $9,618,345 $3,995,160 $1,748,790
Anudike-Uzomah numbers will change when the 5th year option is added. That extra year of control makes the 31 pick way more valuable than the 32 pick for that reason alone, but only from a team building and cap perspective. Someone somewhere did an analysis between late first round picks and early second round picks and saw almost no difference between years in the league, AP/BP players, percentage earning second contract, etc. The only difference is that over the first 5 years, the last pick in the first round was paid less than the first pick in the second, because of that 5th year of team control.
Interesting wrinkle that really doesn't address is the issue at hand.
Fields had 34 pressures last week. That is enough to unsettle him on downs where he is not getting immediate pressure. He is simply not comfortable in those drop back pass plays.
In the second half of the season with (hopefully) Jenkins and Davis at their best and Getsy coming up with a sensible game plan, that is when there are no excuses for Fields. I thought we’d already be there.
I agree. My hope is (still) that somehow, some way, Fields is our QB. I'm not sure about the path from where we are, to where that happens - is going to take us. We do need a healthy Jenkins, and for him to stay healthy. The other OL guys need to get their act together too. That could still happen. Not saying it "will" happen but it could. I don't want to draft another QB until we have a team that can support a QB. That includes coaches and players (starting with a good OL). Otherwise we will continue this endless cycle of failure at QB.
Haven't we learned anything from 40+ QB failures here in Chicago? How stupid must we be as fans if we still believe you just "draft a new guy" and the magic happens here in Chicago? Right? For once, let's treat the disease rather than the symptoms of that disease. Let's provide a team where QB's don't just get drafted and die failures.
This is the Ric plan. Sorry, but you DRAFT A QB when you need a QB and you keep drafting them until you get it right. It's very difficult to draft a QB if you're picking at #16 or something. Then you have to trade away multiple future firsts to move up and then you don't have draft capital to add the "surrounding cast" the new QB needs.
If you need a QB and you're in high enough draft position to get one, then YOU DRAFT HIM.
I don't want to spend another 2-3 years farting around with Andy Dalton or Nick Foles or hanging onto a failed guy like Trubisky cuz you're too afraid to take a shot.
Draft QBs and keep drafting them until you hit on one.
We are in week 2 of the season and I'm already seeing excuses being made for Fields. We said NO EXCUSES this season. It's YEAR 3 for crying out loud. Fields needs to step us his game NOW.
Actually the time to draft a QB is when you DON'T need one. Build up that OLINE and front seven, start an Andy Dalton until a QB you love falls into ur lap. Pick any up and coming good young QB in the league and tell me how he'd look behind this current Bears OLINE... I don't see lions fans bitching about Goff, an average QB, who shreds defenses when he has all day to throw.
I'd love to be in that position. The Bears in my adult lifetime have never NOT needed a QB.
They have never had a franchise starter in place with the luxury of drafting one to sit for a year or two.
Fields had 34 pressures last week. That is enough to unsettle him on downs where he is not getting immediate pressure. He is simply not comfortable in those drop back pass plays.
In the second half of the season with (hopefully) Jenkins and Davis at their best and Getsy coming up with a sensible game plan, that is when there are no excuses for Fields. I thought we’d already be there.
I agree. My hope is (still) that somehow, some way, Fields is our QB. I'm not sure about the path from where we are, to where that happens - is going to take us. We do need a healthy Jenkins, and for him to stay healthy. The other OL guys need to get their act together too. That could still happen. Not saying it "will" happen but it could. I don't want to draft another QB until we have a team that can support a QB. That includes coaches and players (starting with a good OL). Otherwise we will continue this endless cycle of failure at QB.
Haven't we learned anything from 40+ QB failures here in Chicago? How stupid must we be as fans if we still believe you just "draft a new guy" and the magic happens here in Chicago? Right? For once, let's treat the disease rather than the symptoms of that disease. Let's provide a team where QB's don't just get drafted and die failures.
We have had this discussion many times before cuz many times before we have been frustrated "all the pieces aren't in place". But I'll indulge it again. Let's say hypothetically this season goes way south. Fields fails miserably, he clearly isn't the long-term answer, and the team goes 5-12 (which is probably what will happen if Fields sucks). Bears will likely end up with TWO top-10 picks. Maybe even two in the top-5 cuz Carolina is gonna suck this year too.
So....what would you suggest then? Would you pass up a golden opportunity to draft another QB without having to trade away future draft capital?