The Jordan Howard Appreciation Thread

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The Jordan Howard Appreciation Thread Nov 2, 2016 15:33:02 GMT -6 butkus3595, blinddeafmute, and 1 more like this

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Nov 2, 2016 14:44:09 GMT -6 motm said:

Nov 2, 2016 14:37:12 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

Oh my God. You claimed there was never a reason to draft a QB in the first round. Several posters went round and round with you. You went as far back as Roger Staubach to argue your case. Whats the point of discussing anything with you if you can't be honest about what you posted previously? You weren't all in on Wertz. Deliberate lie. Your entire pre-draft strategy was trade up for Buckner or trade down. Anything else you claim now is a deliberate lie.

Should I find the post where you just said "You never draft a WR in the first round." What about the posts about how great WRs and great RBs have never won SBs so drafting them early was a waste of a pick.

And now you are claiming mine and others argument for EE to the Cowboys.

All I can say is wow. There is literally no point in ever engaging you in discussion again. Between the flip-flops, the distortions of other arguments, the propping up of strawmen, and now the deliberate dishonesty, whats the point? Seriously. Whats the point?

It seems like you're losing it.

Find me a post in which I said Wentz wasn't the answer. Tell Loki to look it up as well. I was a huge supporter of Wentz and felt if we were to draft him he was the guy. I was never a fan of Goff.

Yes my pre-draft was trade up for Buckner because going up to high would cost us too much. Wentz was out of the question when we had all the holes we did.

Name me a franchise WR who was the sole reason of winning a Super Bowl. Show me a great RB who won a Super Bowl on his own. Without the help of a top defense or HoF QB.. A great QB or a great defense wins titles. Always has..

If you want to make up lies go ahead.

I still stand by EE being overrated back. He's a product of that O-line but he has good speed on him.

Name one player at any position that was the sole reason for winning a Super Bowl. Try it. It's impossible.

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The Jordan Howard Appreciation Thread Nov 2, 2016 15:51:42 GMT -6

Post by butkus3595 on Nov 2, 2016 15:51:42 GMT -6

Nov 2, 2016 13:28:11 GMT -6 motm said:

Nov 2, 2016 13:03:34 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

What the hell are you talking about??!!! Do you want us to pick in the top 10 or not? Either way here's the thing...the NFL doesn't just hand out top 10 picks because teams want them really bad...you have to SUCK to get them.

Further I could give two shits what PFF thinks about Elliot because I think PFF is garbage. All I know is Dallas had the same line last year and their run game sucked...and now it doesn't. All I know is Elliot can do it all as a running back, get outside, run between the tackles, run on the goal line and score in the open field because he won't get caught from behind...oh yeah and he can block and catch. So you can take PFF's analysis and use it for toilet paper, because thats what it's worth.

You do realize Cowboys had a 1,000+ yard RB in 2015? That their run game was still strong?

Yet what was truly missing? Oh a QB who has NFL arm Strength...

You may not like PFF but fact is they're becoming relevant to the NFL then ever before.

You call McFadden barely getting 1000 yards a strong running game? Really? Here's a news flash...Elliot is gonna have McFaddens full year total in 2 weeks! He's got 800 yards so far this season and is the league's leading rusher and averaging 5 yards a carry. The dude is SPECIAL...yet you can't seem to grasp that.

And just because something is becoming relevant doesn't mean it's any good. PFF is garbage.

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Post by mpbears68 on Nov 2, 2016 22:18:08 GMT -6

Nov 1, 2016 13:31:02 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Okay, but as you saw in the last 2 weeks, DB's track down Howard can get him from behind he's not fast enough to finish. That doesn't happen w/Elliott on those two plays, he has the size and speed to finish. There is a lack of a 2nd gear evident in Howard which is why he fell.

That's the reason why he lasted till the 5th. I love Howard and was stoked when we drafted him but it's clear he doesn't have breakaway speed. He's busted several runs that could have gone to the house if not for the fact that Howard doesn't have that "extra gear". Langford does (remember the screen vs St. Louis last year). problem is, he's just not a good enough rusher to break into the clear.

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Post by jusnixx on Nov 2, 2016 22:34:45 GMT -6

Nov 2, 2016 13:45:15 GMT -6 @bearsinhouston said:

I am going on record right now as saying that for recent times, Pace has picked better than the other GMs we have had. Has he taken guys with potential rather than immediate starting ability? yes. Has he not been able to identify really good players taken later in the draft that we could have picked? yes.

But he also has done better than Angelo and Emery. Could we do better than Pace? probably yes, but right now I think he is still growing and he is at least competent. I'm ok with him. However, I am not ok with some of the player decisions recently. What I don;t know is if it was Pace or Fox or maybe even both.

I think you need to slow your roll on crowning Pace as the draft champ. Many, if not most, of his drafted players are starting only because Pace himself let their much better predicesors walk. Just because Pace's guys are starting doesn't mean they are good - most of them are starting by default. In fact the 2 best players on this team that we drafted by the Bears are Emery picks (Alshon and Kyle).

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Nov 2, 2016 11:17:12 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Im not talking about behind the line...im talking when he is free and nothing but open field he is easily tracked down.

Um....so was Payton which is why he had few end zone to end zone runs and I don't care. The game isn't won by a single 80 yard scamper it's won by ten 8 yard runs at the right time that move the chains and eat up the clock. The actual number of RBs his size who can outrun a DB over 80 yards is a pretty small number.

Lameford has that kind of speed but to use it they have to get him in the open to begin with because he doesn't do it all that well himself. So Loggains should create some packages with him primarily as a receiver to do that and let Howard and Carey worry about carrying the mail on a more regular basis.

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Nov 2, 2016 11:18:38 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Nov 2, 2016 10:58:32 GMT -6 @soulman said:

True but over the first 5 to 10 yards when he has a head of steam up he's as quick and tough to bring down as any young back I've seen. He's much closer to a "Beast Mode" Lynch than he is a Jamaal Charles or even a Matt Forte. The kid is a load and he know it.

Soul lets not get carried away with any comparrisons after a few games. Let the kid have a l few seasons to show what he is going to be.

"Much closer to" is simply comparing his size, his power, and his lack of top end speed to Lynch and I get to do that because it's a simple expression of an opinion. I didn't say "he's another Beast Mode" or "he's gonna be another Beast Mode". That would be an unfounded prediction and I try to stick with facts whenever possible. So..........

Bark-lee here says phooey on you. LOL

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Nov 2, 2016 11:59:49 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Nov 2, 2016 11:48:37 GMT -6 @bearsinhouston said:

man.... I'll still take his production There are faster backs that hard hard to catch in the open field, but you need to get the ball in the open field first. Howard seems to be able to do that. Yards he makes is all I care about. If he could get more if he was faster.... well, I'd like to have them too but most backs don;t get what he gets so I'm happy.

I'm not complaining about Howard, don't get me wrong, but there is one guy trying to make a case against taking a Elliott level RB b/c you can get a Howard lvl RB later; and the reality is the drop off is high.

I'm very happy w/Howard, he shouldn't have dropped to the 4th, huge mistake by the rest of the leauge, that was a 2nd or 3rd round talent player, and he's showing it.

Actually it was the 5th round but wouldn't you say that if he can maintain this kind of production long term (and I don't mean 200 yards total offense every game) that on a value basis he's as good a pick as Elliott was at #4 overall or maybe even better?

RBs as good as EE, Peterson, Tomlinson or Payton are once in a decade type guys but in between are a lot of Martins, Barbers, Fosters, and Fortes you can win a lot of games with. So far I'd say he's just one more confirmation that we should keep drafting RBs but trade for QBs because those we aren't so good at drafting.

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Nov 2, 2016 12:43:29 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

Nov 2, 2016 12:32:44 GMT -6 motm said:

The only thing I was "boosting" about was his speed. Still isn't worth taking in the first round. Howard proved that.

You have a better shot at finding a playmaking player in the top 5 than you do in the mid rounds. Tell me how all our mid round 1st picks were in the past 10 years? Exactly not so good...

Why keep repeating history if you know it isn't going to work out?

You seem to be arguing both sides here. You should take a play maker like Elliot in the top 5 because it's tough to find play makers outside of the top 5, but you shouldn't do that because...Howard. Which one is it?

Well...you could Fuller hasn't been good, but he's been hurt, and I think he'd be a better safety. Kyle Long has been a very good mid round pick. As for our success in picking playmakers in the middle of the first, that has more to do with the people picking than the ability of the players. Going back to the Fuller pick we could have drafted Zack Martin, CJ Mosely, Calvin Pryor, Bradin Cooks, Ha Ha, Aaron Donald was chosen right before us. It's a myth you can't get play makers in the middle of the first round...you just have to identify the right one's.

Yep, that was my point too. He's trying to straddle the issue but this ain't politics it's football. LOL

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