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The Jordan Howard Appreciation Thread Nov 3, 2016 2:35:24 GMT -6

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Nov 2, 2016 12:56:04 GMT -6 motm said:

Nov 2, 2016 12:43:29 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

You seem to be arguing both sides here. You should take a play maker like Elliot in the top 5 because it's tough to find play makers outside of the top 5, but you shouldn't do that because...Howard. Which one is it?

Well...you could Fuller hasn't been good, but he's been hurt, and I think he'd be a better safety. Kyle Long has been a very good mid round pick. As for our success in picking playmakers in the middle of the first, that has more to do with the people picking than the ability of the players. Going back to the Fuller pick we could have drafted Zack Martin, CJ Mosely, Calvin Pryor, Bradin Cooks, Ha Ha, Aaron Donald was chosen right before us. It's a myth you can't get play makers in the middle of the first round...you just have to identify the right one's.

Elliott isn't as huge of a playmaker as many on here think. He's a product of that Oline. Even PFF agrees with that.

The only player you listed that is a true stud was Aaron Donald. You don't find that every day. Von Miller isn't there. A Luke Kuechly isn't there. A Patrick Peterson isn't there...

I can keep going on. The point is franchises need playmakers. Your best shot to get studs are in the top 10.

Luke Kuechly
Von Miller
Cam Newton
Andrew Luck
Patrick Peterson
Julio Jones
Ndamukong Suh
Joe Haden
Gerald McCoy
Aldon Smith
Ezekiel Ansah
Khalil Mack
Anthony Barr

Raiders have Cooper and Mack now. You telling me that franchise would be better off not being in the top 10? Those 2 years?

Lot of these franchises got turn around thanks to 1 player...

Nope, that's only your opinion and not a universal fact. Don't confuse the two OK?

I can give you a list of just Bears studs longer than yours who weren't top ten picks and some not even first round picks at all. It's more about getting the best players when you pick than where you pick them. Statistically more top ten picks fail than those between 11-20 because more are QBs and others drafted for their upside like Kevin White was.

Monsters you can't just toss out list of names to support your point of view and call it fact because we can all do that. While there is usually some truth in what you believe it's not anywhere as universal or as exclusive as you'd like everyone else to believe. We don't.

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The Jordan Howard Appreciation Thread Nov 3, 2016 2:52:30 GMT -6

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Nov 2, 2016 22:11:49 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Nov 1, 2016 12:44:33 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

Finally...a thread dedicated to a player's performance who has actually done something to deserve one!

I'm gonna start a Deon Bush thread.

Oh good. Then I can pile on Fox for that pick over Prescott.

His gnarled old fingers are all over that pick. I can't prove it, but I hear things you know.

I think the Cowboys rigged the 4th round of the draft too. I can't prove that either but I'm sure it's true, trust me. Jerry Jones is a closet democrat so it figures I can't prove that either but I hear things you know, and he's a crook too. Crooked Jerry. He should be in jail. LOL

I'll keep an eye out for it mp.

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Nov 2, 2016 22:18:08 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Nov 1, 2016 13:31:02 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Okay, but as you saw in the last 2 weeks, DB's track down Howard can get him from behind he's not fast enough to finish. That doesn't happen w/Elliott on those two plays, he has the size and speed to finish. There is a lack of a 2nd gear evident in Howard which is why he fell.

That's the reason why he lasted till the 5th. I love Howard and was stoked when we drafted him but it's clear he doesn't have breakaway speed. He's busted several runs that could have gone to the house if not for the fact that Howard doesn't have that "extra gear". Langford does (remember the screen vs St. Louis last year). problem is, he's just not a good enough rusher to break into the clear.

Introducing the "Lameford Package". Designed to get him into the clear on passing routes and screens where he's faster than a speeding locomotive and can leap tall buildings in a single bound!

You're 100% correct he's a specialty type back they need to develop some schemes for that will get him the ball in the open where his speed and ability to make a guy miss will benefit him and us but ask him to run the same stuff Howard and Carey can and he'll flop.

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The Jordan Howard Appreciation Thread Nov 3, 2016 5:15:22 GMT -6

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Nov 2, 2016 22:34:45 GMT -6 jusnixx said:

Nov 2, 2016 13:45:15 GMT -6 @bearsinhouston said:

I am going on record right now as saying that for recent times, Pace has picked better than the other GMs we have had. Has he taken guys with potential rather than immediate starting ability? yes. Has he not been able to identify really good players taken later in the draft that we could have picked? yes.

But he also has done better than Angelo and Emery. Could we do better than Pace? probably yes, but right now I think he is still growing and he is at least competent. I'm ok with him. However, I am not ok with some of the player decisions recently. What I don;t know is if it was Pace or Fox or maybe even both.

I think you need to slow your roll on crowning Pace as the draft champ. Many, if not most, of his drafted players are starting only because Pace himself let their much better predicesors walk. Just because Pace's guys are starting doesn't mean they are good - most of them are starting by default. In fact the 2 best players on this team that we drafted by the Bears are Emery picks (Alshon and Kyle).

Consider my roll stopped.

(I still think he is the best of the three)

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The Jordan Howard Appreciation Thread Nov 3, 2016 7:35:41 GMT -6 riczaj01 likes this

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Nov 3, 2016 0:07:30 GMT -6 motm said:

Strange, I thought Elliott was suppose to be faster?

Imagine what Howard could do behind a line like the Cowboys...

Link: www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000732798/next-gen-stats-2016-midseason-leaders

LMAO!!! You just don't know when to stop. Ok....Elliot ran a 4.44 electric timed 40, Howard ran a 4.59 not electric timed 40 at his pro day! So add about .25 seconds to that 40 time for Howard. Glen Gronkowski had a better 3 cone drill than Howard did! He's not as fast as Elliot bottom line. Put them next to each other and have them run a race and Elliot smokes Howard 10 times out of 10.

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The Jordan Howard Appreciation Thread Nov 3, 2016 9:17:50 GMT -6 AlexM likes this

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Nov 3, 2016 2:58:27 GMT -6 @soulman said:

Nov 2, 2016 22:18:08 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

That's the reason why he lasted till the 5th. I love Howard and was stoked when we drafted him but it's clear he doesn't have breakaway speed. He's busted several runs that could have gone to the house if not for the fact that Howard doesn't have that "extra gear". Langford does (remember the screen vs St. Louis last year). problem is, he's just not a good enough rusher to break into the clear.

Introducing the "Lameford Package". Designed to get him into the clear on passing routes and screens where he's faster than a speeding locomotive and can leap tall buildings in a single bound!

You're 100% correct he's a specialty type back they need to develop some schemes for that will get him the ball in the open where his speed and ability to make a guy miss will benefit him and us but ask him to run the same stuff Howard and Carey can and he'll flop.

I think Langford will be decent as a 3rd down back. He can catch a few screens or dump offs in the flat and see if he can make something out of it with his speed. But running between the tackles we agree he blows at.

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The Jordan Howard Appreciation Thread Nov 3, 2016 12:28:23 GMT -6

Post by motm on Nov 3, 2016 12:28:23 GMT -6

Nov 3, 2016 7:35:41 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

Nov 3, 2016 0:07:30 GMT -6 motm said:

Strange, I thought Elliott was suppose to be faster?

Imagine what Howard could do behind a line like the Cowboys...

Link: www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000732798/next-gen-stats-2016-midseason-leaders

LMAO!!! You just don't know when to stop. Ok....Elliot ran a 4.44 electric timed 40, Howard ran a 4.59 not electric timed 40 at his pro day! So add about .25 seconds to that 40 time for Howard. Glen Gronkowski had a better 3 cone drill than Howard did! He's not as fast as Elliot bottom line. Put them next to each other and have them run a race and Elliot smokes Howard 10 times out of 10.

A players 40 isn't a end all be all thing. Many players run a faster 40 but truly ain't that fast on the field.

Howard is graded faster than Elliott. Nothing to be mad about.

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Nov 3, 2016 12:28:23 GMT -6 motm said:

Nov 3, 2016 7:35:41 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

LMAO!!! You just don't know when to stop. Ok....Elliot ran a 4.44 electric timed 40, Howard ran a 4.59 not electric timed 40 at his pro day! So add about .25 seconds to that 40 time for Howard. Glen Gronkowski had a better 3 cone drill than Howard did! He's not as fast as Elliot bottom line. Put them next to each other and have them run a race and Elliot smokes Howard 10 times out of 10.

A players 40 isn't a end all be all thing. Many players run a faster 40 but truly ain't that fast on the field.

Howard is graded faster than Elliott. Nothing to be mad about.

It's survival of the fittest. Through evolution Howard became as fast as he is in order to avoid the divots in SF.

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The Jordan Howard Appreciation Thread Nov 3, 2016 15:56:55 GMT -6 riczaj01 likes this

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Nov 3, 2016 12:28:23 GMT -6 motm said:

Nov 3, 2016 7:35:41 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

LMAO!!! You just don't know when to stop. Ok....Elliot ran a 4.44 electric timed 40, Howard ran a 4.59 not electric timed 40 at his pro day! So add about .25 seconds to that 40 time for Howard. Glen Gronkowski had a better 3 cone drill than Howard did! He's not as fast as Elliot bottom line. Put them next to each other and have them run a race and Elliot smokes Howard 10 times out of 10.

A players 40 isn't a end all be all thing. Many players run a faster 40 but truly ain't that fast on the field.

Howard is graded faster than Elliott. Nothing to be mad about.

No...he is not "graded faster than Elliot". He happened to run faster on that run than Elliot but he is not faster than Elliot. I won't even get into trying to explain this to you because I don't have the patients and I can see just based off every other conversation we would do nothing but go around in circles.

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The Jordan Howard Appreciation Thread Nov 3, 2016 18:05:46 GMT -6 AlexM, Whisky Beer Bob, and 3 more like this

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Nov 3, 2016 15:56:55 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

Nov 3, 2016 12:28:23 GMT -6 motm said:

A players 40 isn't a end all be all thing. Many players run a faster 40 but truly ain't that fast on the field.

Howard is graded faster than Elliott. Nothing to be mad about.

No...he is not "graded faster than Elliot". He happened to run faster on that run than Elliot but he is not faster than Elliot. I won't even get into trying to explain this to you because I don't have the patients and I can see just based off every other conversation we would do nothing but go around in circles.

While I agree with your assessment that they probably ran at different speeds in their games there is such a thing as fast in pads and fast on the track. Jordan could be just faster in pads. He's got 15 pounds on Elliot so the pads' weight may not slow Howard down as much so the speed difference between the two narrows.

As far as Howard getting pulled down from behind on the big Minnesota run, the guy who caught him was Xavier Rhodes who ran a 4.39 in the combine. While Rhodes did have to take an angle to catch him he also started a few yards ahead of Jordan downfield. A few yards further away he wouldn't have caught him. Nobody else was really even close.

I may be coming at it a bit high but Howard has looked AP-like at times out there. He makes it look he's been doing this for years. I also found it funny when the Monday Night announcers kept talking about him still needing to improving his pass catching skills, only for Howard to catch a ball and make a big gain out of it. Despite only having a few games under his belt I'd be lying if I didn't say Howard looks like he's going to be a really good player, possibly elite.

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