The Jordan Howard Appreciation Thread

I do understand that and have already posted that.  For some reason you keep saying Pace can't pick good players in the first round so I don't see why you care so much.  I would assume you just expect him to draft bigger bust.

Are they not top 10 draft picks which is were the better players, the playmakers are found? Aren't they exactly the players teams should have been drafting? Top of the draft highly rated prospects? Didn't you just in another thread argue that without a QB a team has nothing?



No one is doubting that. Not a single person here. High picks produce better players, we had this same argument on the other board over QBs and you denied the same thing you are posting now. Yet, even though you are saying this now, here is a list of positions you have advocated don't need to be drafted in the first round:

QB
RB
WR
G
C
TE
non-pass rushing DL
ILB as opposed to pass rushing OLB


What some of us are having a hard time with are the contradictions in your arguments:

Better players, HOF players, play-makers need to be drafted early, you just said that. Except that doesn't apply to QBs, RBs, WRs, TEs, C, and Gs ( I may be leaving a position out, can't remember.) You say Cooper would have been a better pick than White (which no one is arguing) but you also say never draft a WR in the first. Bosa is 'better' than Floyd, yet you labeled Bosa a bust before the draft had even started and would never have taken him. Then you have listed EE as a playmaker yet consider drafting him a bad choice. Your entire draft strategy was Buckner or trade down. So which is it? And even though Buckner is having a solid year how come you never mention him?

You aren't totally wrong in your positions, its just that you take such a hard line and then bob and weave when the discussion starts. I always read your threads because the better discussions are in them.

PFF, at least on their line grades is about as inaccurate as you can get; and again the OL isn't going to help a RB that is past 5 yards of the LoS. Elliott is a beast when he gets to the 2nd level, he's a joy to watch. There is all sorts of ways to draft a stud in the 1st round, especially high, the best way to not do it is to pass up a stud and take a lesser talent b/c of position. Wonder how many teams are regretting passing on Todd Gurly, and I wonder If the Raiders regret not drafting a def "stud" like vic Beasley intsead of Cooper. How good does Gurley look in that Atl O right about now?

Oh my God. You claimed there was never a reason to draft a QB in the first round. Several posters went round and round with you. You went as far back as Roger Staubach to argue your case. Whats the point of discussing anything with you if you can't be honest about what you posted previously? You weren't all in on Wertz. Deliberate lie. Your entire pre-draft strategy was trade up for Buckner or trade down. Anything else you claim now is a deliberate lie.

Should I find the post where you just said "You never draft a WR in the first round." What about the posts about how great WRs and great RBs have never won SBs so drafting them early was a waste of a pick. 

And now you are claiming mine and others argument for EE to the Cowboys.

All I can say is wow. There is literally no point in ever engaging you in discussion again. Between the flip-flops, the distortions of other arguments, the propping up of strawmen, and now the deliberate dishonesty, whats the point? Seriously. Whats the point?