Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2016 14:33:38 GMT -6
Oct 31, 2016 13:13:54 GMT -6 @bearsinhouston said:
I don't know how many people are on this site right now. I would venture maybe 60ish, and I bet there are maybe 40 different views on this. I think it is very rare for the FO to tank on purpose. Indy may be the only one and of course no one can prove that one either.I think you play for the future of this year is not going to lead anywhere. In other words, whoever you think is going to be your future, play them. It means you are still trying to be better, but for next year. You are not giving up... just regrouping for a meaningful fight --- when you have a chance.
As far as firing the coaches. Yes, I do think that there are far more knee jerk reactions to that issue than there needs to be. However, stability for stabilities sake is a bad idea. A VERY bad idea. Take the extreme example. Keeping Trestman and Tucker for stabilities sake. There is good stability and bad stability. Keeping the same thing when bad is worse than trying something new, IMO.
The huge piece of subjectivity here is whether or not Fox is now a hindrance or an asset. I think the line forms depending on your lean. For people that have not made up their mind, a reasonable stance is in fact to keep him to be sure. Everyone is going to have an opion on when to pull the plug. Personally, I could see issues with Lovie and think we should have pulled the plug earlier, but that's me.
Right here in todays situation, I never thought Fox was going to get us a SB win, eventually warmed up to him being the right guy to lead a rebuild. I have seen corporate dysfunction in a rainbow of colors and can probably spot it faster than most. IMO, Fox is not the guy to lead the rebuild. He rubs players the wrong way, makes bad decisions, and quite frankly to me anyway, even with his wealth of experience seems a little lost to me. Yes we have injuries and I think most on the board are now smart enough to blow that trumpet. I have not seen anyone go that route this time. Even with injuries, we are underperforming. And that is the measurement to me. Yes, we need more talent. But the cupboard is no longer bare like it was under Emery. One win with our schedule is underperformance.
For me, I say once i see a guy that is not cutting it, just make the move and try to get better. I don't want another year of half assed (not to be confused with this board as reported by some on the old board) play and second guessing Fox as a HC. I don't like what I see, so yes, I am behind the change.
So right now, Fox could win a couple games here and there, and maybe that be enough to save his job. I think we are both in agreement about how rare it is for a team to deliberately tank because of how hard it would be and because that results in front office and coach turnover. No coach wold willingly suffer losses because a bad enough season gets them fired.
But, IMO, if the team played hard and showed progress and didn't lie down and die like Trestman's 2014 team, I am okay with addressing the lack of talent in the draft and free agency and keeping Fox. I think teams that continually fire coaches never improve.
Fox and Pace inherited a team at the end of a sucessful revolt against the coaches and were shackled to a very big contract with Jay Cutler. They had to dump a lot of talented yet PITA players to regain control. I'd like to see what Pace and company can do with picking his own QB with their scouting team in place.
What I don't want to see is Pace get dumped and the new guy come in and **** up the high draft pick we are destined to have because he is just trying to get on the ground running. I don't want to see Fangio leave because we can Fox and this Floyd pick is a waste in the new defense's scheme.
Now just to be devils advocate.....
FOx has been succsessful (however, like Soul, i believe that he had good GMS there that helped a lot), and Fangio has been successful Now neither are. Is it in fact Pace? Food for thought.
