I highly doubt Pace will fire Fox but if he does, I really hope these guys will be on his list:
- George Edwards (Vikings DC) - Pat Fitzgerald (Northwestern Wildcats HC) - Sean McDermott (Panthers DC) - Teryl Austin (Lions DC) - Dave Toub (Chiefs STC) - Kris Richard (Seahawks DC) - Jim Schwartz (Eagles DC)
Is that the same Jim Schwartz that was fired from Det? If so I'd have to pass on him.
I'd take Dave Toub and George Edwards though. IMO I'd still like to see a O minded coach be the HC though.
I would take a pass on Schwartz. Remember the December collapse. I would pass on McDermott from Carolina. They are not playing good football. Also, I don't know about Pat Fitzgerald being a pro head coach.
2 years ago many of you insisted that a defensive minded head coach was the only way to fix this team. Now that the defense is slowly improving you say a offensive head coach is what we need.
Let me answer this one, the biggest problem with the Bears is except for last year the Bears never seem to have a strong OC and DC at the same time and the HC either all in Defense or Offense no balance.
The Bears need a strong HC to run the team who is willing to bring in a strong OC and DC to run there squads. Lovie might still be here if he was just smart enough to hire a good OC. And now the same thing is happening under Fox the Bears have a very good DC and a worthless OC.
Todd Haley Jim Harbaugh (I know won't happen and he likes it at Michigan) Josh McDaniels
I actually like Harbaugh. Chicago might the the only place he would leave Michigan for.
No way he leaves Michigan. He's now passed Nick Saban as the highest paid HC in college football @ roughly $10 mil a year. That's at least double the most the Bears would pay.
I actually like Harbaugh. Chicago might the the only place he would leave Michigan for.
No way he leaves Michigan. He's now passed Nick Saban as the highest paid HC in college football @ roughly $10 mil a year. That's at least double the most the Bears would pay.
yeah... good point there. Definitely a HUGE factor in any decision. But that big league coach to win a SB ego thing can sometimes trump money. Especially when you already have enough of the money.
And he used to play here. Not saying he would leave, but if he did Chicago might be one of his only considerations.
You all are just torturing yourselves thinking about this. Fox isn't going anywhere this year or the next. It would cost the Bears too much dead money right now.
On top of that getting rid of two coaches back to back after only two years for each would make it nearly impossible to bring in any decent candidates. No coach worth a shit will want to work for a team where ownership demands a complete rebuild of team in only two years or you're fired. This is especially true when many of the teams's current problems can be directly attributed to injuries.
While common sense dictates that he should be gone over the bye week and given that we will in all likelihood finish worse than last year he should most definitely be gone once the season ends because this is the Bears who always insist on staying ****ed up for as long as humanly possible before admitting a mistake and showing a willingness to buy out of it I thing you're correct.
The injury thing will no doubt be the excuse they truck out for public consumption but it's a false one. John Fox couldn't win with his ways even if he had a team that was 90% healthy and that's about all any team really is once the season begins. I've yet to see any HC with his years of experience ever handle personnel decisions as poorly as he has and those comments he makes in pressers he may think are being crafty are just the opposite. All they show me is a HC who doesn't have a grasp on his team and it's ability.
The only truthful thing I've heard come out of his mouth since the season began is when he was asked about his plans at QB once Cutler was healthy and he said he didn't have a plan. No shit John and I'd say that pretty much covers every other position that isn't QB too. Fox comes across to me as a worn out old man whose at the end of his days in the NFL and if there's anyone on this team whose simply just mailing it in it's him.
I can't support the guy any longer. It's that simple and as long as he remains HC this rebuilding plan will be never ending. He doesn't have the goods to put it all together any longer and he doesn't have a more dynamic GM with deep pockets whose willing to buy him the kind of vet talent he needs to win like he had with Elway here in Denver and despite that he still fell short of the mark set for him.
I'm sorry but this is not the guy you want running a team full of young players who need development and a rookie QB fresh out of college. This is the Lovie all over again only not nearly as good or as successful. He needs to go and I doubt there is one member posting here who if they were being totally honest with themselves wouldn't see it that way too.
Firing him won't prevent the Bears from hiring top coaching talent. Fox has made it very clear that the NFL is performance based and a what have to done for me lately deal. So why should the process he used to evaluate his players not apply equally to him. No one asked him to make this team into a Super Bowl competitor in two years. He was however hired based on his past record of being able to turn tragedy into success relatively quickly and he's failed. Failed miserably in fact with little hope of redemption even next year if his idea is to try to make it with a rookie QB and a vet like Brian Hoyer to bridge the gap. Do that and you still won't see a winning team here in 2017 either.
What the Bears really need is a younger coach whose willing to put in the time and effort to get the job done no matter what it takes and they don't have that now. They have a guy on the downside of his career whose beginning to wonder if he should ever have taken on this project to begin with and he's doing more harm that good as flails around for scapegoats and solutions. If he stays I don't see that changing either and you can quote me on that.
No way he leaves Michigan. He's now passed Nick Saban as the highest paid HC in college football @ roughly $10 mil a year. That's at least double the most the Bears would pay.
yeah... good point there. Definitely a HUGE factor in any decision. But that big league coach to win a SB ego thing can sometimes trump money. Especially when you already have enough of the money.
And he used to play here. Not saying he would leave, but if he did Chicago might be one of his only considerations.
Harbaugh already had his NFL shot at SF and his personality just doesn't work well at the pro level. If he ever came back to the NFL he'd demand total control over personnel so he didn't end up with a deal like he did with Baalke in SF again and the Bears will never give him that.
He's got a challenge at Michigan but he was sought after, highly paid, and he'll be a king there when he succeeds just as Saban is at Bama. He won't give that up to come to Chicago to clean up this mess Fox is leaving the next guy and it's a mess without any doubt.
IMHO it simply defies logic for anyone to give John Fox an out. When asked about personnel decision he makes it clear that current performance is king in his house. With that in mind he dodged the Cutler vs Hoyer deal until as Cutler said himself. He has no choice but to be supportive of him now.
That alone speaks volumes. I warned weeks ago when Fox said what he did that he would alienate Cutler and he has I can tell anyone that without reservation. They'll play nicey nice in public because that's how it's done in the NF of L but the divorce decree has already been written. The only question left is on who it'll be served.
Fox says his decisions on who plays are always performance based and that a return from injury doesn't assure any former starter of getting his job back. So can anyone tell me why Fox should not also be judged by those same standards? If an injury sustained while playing which may have impacted a players performance isn't a cause for consideration then why does John Fox get an out for a team whose played with as many injuries as the Bears have. Where's his acclaimed "next man up" system gotten us?
The last time I saw any Bears HC as poor at personnel management and putting teams on the field as poorly prepared to play and win as Fox has was Wanny and I hope to hell GMcC is a lot quicker on the trigger at ending this misery than his brother was with Wanny or you won't see a winning team in Chicago in this decade. Fox has to go.
yeah... good point there. Definitely a HUGE factor in any decision. But that big league coach to win a SB ego thing can sometimes trump money. Especially when you already have enough of the money.
And he used to play here. Not saying he would leave, but if he did Chicago might be one of his only considerations.
Harbaugh already had his NFL shot at SF and his personality just doesn't work well at the pro level. If he ever came back to the NFL he'd demand total control over personnel so he didn't end up with a deal like he did with Baalke in SF again and the Bears will never give him that.
He's got a challenge at Michigan but he was sought after, highly paid, and he'll be a king there when he succeeds just as Saban is at Bama. He won't give that up to come to Chicago to clean up this mess Fox is leaving the next guy and it's a mess without any doubt.
IMHO it simply defies logic for anyone to give John Fox an out. When asked about personnel decision he makes it clear that current performance is king in his house. With that in mind he dodged the Cutler vs Hoyer deal until as Cutler said himself. He has no choice but to be supportive of him now.
That alone speaks volumes. I warned weeks ago when Fox said what he did that he would alienate Cutler and he has I can tell anyone that without reservation. They'll play nicey nice in public because that's how it's done in the NF of L but the divorce decree has already been written. The only question left is on who it'll be served.
Fox says his decisions on who plays are always performance based and that a return from injury doesn't assure any former starter of getting his job back. So can anyone tell me why Fox should not also be judged by those same standards? If an injury sustained while playing which may have impacted a players performance isn't a cause for consideration then why does John Fox get an out for a team whose played with as many injuries as the Bears have. Where's his acclaimed "next man up" system gotten us?
The last time I saw any Bears HC as poor at personnel management and putting teams on the field as poorly prepared to play and win as Fox has was Wanny and I hope to hell GMcC is a lot quicker on the trigger at ending this misery than his brother was with Wanny or you won't see a winning team in Chicago in this decade. Fox has to go.
Of course he should be. But I'm betting he won't be.
The injury thing will no doubt be the excuse they truck out for public consumption but it's a false one.
Sorry but you're wrong on this. This team just has no talent behind its starters. There simply hasn't been enough time to stock the team. It's part of rebuilding mode. So when injuries hit the starters you only have a bunch of undeveloped nobodies and unremarkable veterans on their third or fourth team playing. The amount of injuries we have had this year to the starters is going to have a much greater impact on this team than on other teams with a strong pool of players in their development pipeline. Dumping Fox is only going to reset the progress made already. So it would have to be started all over again putting the team even further away from future success.
Progress in things like this are rarely a smooth upward trajectory. You will often have times where things get worse before they get better. Sometimes you just have to ride it out.
Harbaugh already had his NFL shot at SF and his personality just doesn't work well at the pro level. If he ever came back to the NFL he'd demand total control over personnel so he didn't end up with a deal like he did with Baalke in SF again and the Bears will never give him that.
He's got a challenge at Michigan but he was sought after, highly paid, and he'll be a king there when he succeeds just as Saban is at Bama. He won't give that up to come to Chicago to clean up this mess Fox is leaving the next guy and it's a mess without any doubt.
IMHO it simply defies logic for anyone to give John Fox an out. When asked about personnel decision he makes it clear that current performance is king in his house. With that in mind he dodged the Cutler vs Hoyer deal until as Cutler said himself. He has no choice but to be supportive of him now.
That alone speaks volumes. I warned weeks ago when Fox said what he did that he would alienate Cutler and he has I can tell anyone that without reservation. They'll play nicey nice in public because that's how it's done in the NF of L but the divorce decree has already been written. The only question left is on who it'll be served.
Fox says his decisions on who plays are always performance based and that a return from injury doesn't assure any former starter of getting his job back. So can anyone tell me why Fox should not also be judged by those same standards? If an injury sustained while playing which may have impacted a players performance isn't a cause for consideration then why does John Fox get an out for a team whose played with as many injuries as the Bears have. Where's his acclaimed "next man up" system gotten us?
The last time I saw any Bears HC as poor at personnel management and putting teams on the field as poorly prepared to play and win as Fox has was Wanny and I hope to hell GMcC is a lot quicker on the trigger at ending this misery than his brother was with Wanny or you won't see a winning team in Chicago in this decade. Fox has to go.
Of course he should be. But I'm betting he won't be.
More than likely that will be the case and once again the ownership of the team fails to deliver on it's promise that things will change and it's all onward and upward from here. It's not and it won't be while Ted Phillips is still CEO and President and the guardian of the teams bank accounts. Profit is his highest and best motive, not the fans, and not a winning team. That's just "nice if it happens but not necessary" in his estimation.
The injury thing will no doubt be the excuse they truck out for public consumption but it's a false one.
Sorry but you're wrong on this. This team just has no talent behind its starters. There simply hasn't been enough time to stock the team. It's part of rebuilding mode. So when injuries hit the starters you only have a bunch of undeveloped nobodies and unremarkable veterans on their third or fourth team playing. The amount of injuries we have had this year to the starters is going to have a much greater impact on this team than on other teams with a strong pool of players in their development pipeline. Dumping Fox is only going to reset the progress made already. So it would have to be started all over again putting the team even further away from future success.
Progress in things like this are rarely a smooth upward trajectory. You will often have times where things get worse before they get better. Sometimes you just have to ride it out.
1) What happened to the "next man up" strategy and why does it work elsewhere but not here?
2) What progress? How do you see being 1-7 going into the bye week as progress. Do you have a different version of the Webster's Dictionary than I do. Mine defines this as regression.
3) And if they dump Cutler (which is likely) it will set them back even more because at least Cutler is accustomed to dealing with poor coaching whereas if we draft a young QB and expect him to develop in this swamp of Fox's we're even more foolish.
4) John Fox expects his players to live by the sword or die by the sword yet you feel the same standards should not apply to him. Why?
I'm saying now, and you can hold me to it, that next year at this time things will not have improved much more than now other than the fact that we'll have wasted one more year on a rebuilding project that isn't working. I know John Fox and I believe he hasn't got it in him to rebuild with a young team. Unless he can persuade Ryan Pace to buy him his stud players in FA like Elway did this team will not finish above .500 as long as Fox is HC.
I hate to revisit the past but I said much the same about Mel Tucker being retained for a second year as DC under Trestman and Emery and read these same excuses for keeping him that's what the are. Excuses not reasons. They are not logical, they are not rational, and they are not fact based. They are a myth propagated by the same people who say that 30 year old RBs are all washed up or a 33 year old QB is past his prime.
I'm sorry but I don't believe in those myths and I sure as hell don't believe in John Fox. So....he will not get my support but he will get my criticism because he's earned it and if a change isn't made then so will Ryan Pace and the McCaskeys. I may be in a minority in my feelings but having experienced John Fox in Denver for 4 years before he came to Chicago this is my 6th year with him coaching a team I follow so I think I'm a fair judge of him by now.
A year from now we'll see which one of us is most correct.