That's why I want new owners and etc. Phillip and McCaskey have no idea how to run a successful Football team. Cubs and Blackhawks got new ownership and look at them now. One is a dynasty while the other one is close to winning the World Series. Do you see that happening here with the Bears? Honestly I don't.
"the power of the Bears brand and what it means to the city of Chicago"
What power? This isn't the 80's anymore. In which we won our only Super Bowl. This team since the Ditka era has only made the playoffs 5 times out of 23 seasons. While Dikta lead the Bears to 7 playoffs with only 10 seasons and 1 Super Bowl.
Its crazy when you look at the Packers since 93 and compare it to the Bears. 2 Super Bowls and 18 playoffs appearances out of 23 seasons.
Heck the Vikings seem to have more success getting to the playoffs since 93 then we do. 0 Super Bowls but 12 playoff appearances out of 23 seasons.
Sad thing is even the Lions made the playoffs more times than the Bears did. Clocking in at 7 playoff appearances since 93.
The Bears are becoming a faded name and a laughing stock similar to the Browns.
How many CEo or team presidents would you consider football people? How would you define football person anyway? How many team presidents can anyone name?
I'm trying to argue with you soul, at this point everyone needs to change. I just think Phillips is the least of the problems.
Pace reports directly to management as far as I can tell. Fox reports to Pace (or Pace to Fox I'm still one sure). I don't think you can find Phillips fingerprints on any football related decision. Ticket prices...sure. Marketing plans...sure. HR manual relating to office dress code?...sure. Why? Because that represents income for Bears INC.
Again, want to fire Phillips go ahead. But that would be like ....firing a hospital's accountant because surgeries are not going well. Change is going to come from:
1. Ownership 2. Ownership 3. Ownership 4. GM 5. HC
//EDIT information I had here I can't find the source for, if/when I can I'll repost it.//
How many CEo or team presidents would you consider football people? How would you define football person anyway? How many team presidents can anyone name?
I'm trying to argue with you soul, at this point everyone needs to change. I just think Phillips is the least of the problems.
Pace reports directly to management as far as I can tell. Fox reports to Pace (or Pace to Fox I'm still one sure). I don't think you can find Phillips fingerprints on any football related decision. Ticket prices...sure. Marketing plans...sure. HR manual relating to office dress code?...sure. Why? Because that represents income for Bears INC.
Again, want to fire Phillips go ahead. But that would be like ....firing a hospital's accountant because surgeries are not going well. Change is going to come from:
1. Ownership 2. Ownership 3. Ownership 4. GM 5. HC
//EDIT information I had here I can't find the source for, if/when I can I'll repost it.//
This is the wrong tree to be barking up.
If the accountant would only let them buy dull scalpels, then firing him might improve surgeries.
How many CEo or team presidents would you consider football people? How would you define football person anyway? How many team presidents can anyone name?
I'm trying to argue with you soul, at this point everyone needs to change. I just think Phillips is the least of the problems.
Pace reports directly to management as far as I can tell. Fox reports to Pace (or Pace to Fox I'm still one sure). I don't think you can find Phillips fingerprints on any football related decision. Ticket prices...sure. Marketing plans...sure. HR manual relating to office dress code?...sure. Why? Because that represents income for Bears INC.
Again, want to fire Phillips go ahead. But that would be like ....firing a hospital's accountant because surgeries are not going well. Change is going to come from:
1. Ownership 2. Ownership 3. Ownership 4. GM 5. HC
//EDIT information I had here I can't find the source for, if/when I can I'll repost it.//
This is the wrong tree to be barking up.
If the accountant would only let them buy dull scalpels, then firing him might improve surgeries.
Bob Kraft;"Everybody in our organization puts winning first," Kraft said.
Ted Phillips; “When we talk about appealing to sponsors, we never talk about wins and losses,” Phillips said.
Ted Phillps; “A lot of the sales pitches that get done, they don’t talk about wins and losses."
Ted Phillips; "We’re pretty proud of that that you can kind of sustain strong business relationships without worrying about wins and losses. Obviously, when you win it’s better.”
So in just one sentence Bob Kraft tells you all you need to know about how he runs his team. Ted Phillips says three times that wins and losses don't matter as much as sponsorship and the "Bears Brand". The Brand......The Brand.....we're getting The Brand back together!!! Oh wait.... that's in comedy movie Phillips is a real life comic. Real funny isn't he?
What happened to that little snot nosed QB from Texas A&M who came in more concerned about his "Brand" the he did about playing football. Where is that little loser today? I hear a lot about another brand that's going to hell in a basket right now too due to some of the same terminal arrogance Teddy Bear is spouting here. Are the words Bears fans even mentioned once in his little speech here? Hell no, it's all about corporate sponsorship and business relationships not wins and losses. Those are nice but not important much like the fans. We like you but we prefer sponsors. They don't care as much whether we win or lose.
So now how many think Ted Phillips has zero to do with the losing culture that is the Bears? How many times do you think Teddy Bear has reminded the McCaskey's that winning takes money and involves risks they don't need to take because; "I think for the most part we have had a lot of success doing that because people understand the power of the Bears brand and what it means to the city of Chicago, what it means to the NFL, what it means to their own brand." So geez Ginny and George I'd like to win to but can we afford to win when we really don't need to and we can still make big bucks?
When I hear Robert Kraft talk I hear one word......win. When Ted Phillips talks I hear win, lose it's all the same to me just as long as we make money.
This is the CEO of your football team sportsfans and I assure to he has a more direct conduit to the McCaskeys than Ryan Pace will ever have. Is this the guy you want running your football team because no matter what some business reports says about how the Bears choose to depict their organizational structure in public I'm saying this is the way it really is.
Ryan Pace is the GM. He drafts the players. He acquires the free agents. He hires the coaches. He is the GM. This is his team operationally. Yes, Ted Phillips is the corporate guy. But he isn't the guy controlling the roster. I'm actually relieved he isn't micro-managing the personnel side of things. Get a solid GM and let him do his job. If Pace can't do his job then just like they canned Angelo and Emery, go ahead and can him too.
Virginia McCaskey wants to win. But wanting - and doing - are two different things. We are not the New England Patriots. Cutler isn't Tom Brady. John Fox is not Bill Belichick. We won't become the Patriots overnight - or maybe never. Is that news to all of us? I hope we are intelligent enough to understand that fact.
That's why I want new owners and etc. Phillip and McCaskey have no idea how to run a successful Football team. Cubs and Blackhawks got new ownership and look at them now. One is a dynasty while the other one is close to winning the World Series. Do you see that happening here with the Bears? Honestly I don't.
"the power of the Bears brand and what it means to the city of Chicago"
What power? This isn't the 80's anymore. In which we won our only Super Bowl. This team since the Ditka era has only made the playoffs 5 times out of 23 seasons. While Dikta lead the Bears to 7 playoffs with only 10 seasons and 1 Super Bowl.
Its crazy when you look at the Packers since 93 and compare it to the Bears. 2 Super Bowls and 18 playoffs appearances out of 23 seasons.
Heck the Vikings seem to have more success getting to the playoffs since 93 then we do. 0 Super Bowls but 12 playoff appearances out of 23 seasons.
Sad thing is even the Lions made the playoffs more times than the Bears did. Clocking in at 7 playoff appearances since 93.
The Bears are becoming a faded name and a laughing stock similar to the Browns.
The Hawks are still owned by the Wirtz family. If you mean that the guy running the show changed when the old man died in 2007 you're right. But you could make the same argument with George McCaskey taking control of the Bears in 2011.
If the current ownership (Greorge) and GM do nothing to change the way the Bears are run and do not bring success then I would agree that it will take the McCaskey's selling the Bears for there to be a real change.
Again, fire Phillips if you want, don't care. But what do you think changes? Everything I've read says that Philipps runs the business side of the Bears. Pace runs the football side-roster, draft, FA signings, hiring coaches.
Phillips over sees--VP of Marketing, VP of PR, VP of this, VP of that...Only payroll decisions he makes are how are much to pay the mail room clerks, and even that is handled by the VP of HR.
So....What do we think changes on the field if Phillips is fired?
Again, fire Phillips if you want, don't care. But what do you think changes? Everything I've read says that Philipps runs the business side of the Bears. Pace runs the football side-roster, draft, FA signings, hiring coaches.
Phillips over sees--VP of Marketing, VP of PR, VP of this, VP of that...Only payroll decisions he makes are how are much to pay the mail room clerks, and even that is handled by the VP of HR.
So....What do we think changes on the field if Phillips is fired?
Hot dog prices would change.
\Exactly. and I still want to know if anyone can name a team president/ceo and what exactly a 'football' person is. The only way firing Phillips brings change is if you fire Phillips, Pace, Fox, Stein, the guy who does college scouting, director of pro personnel...100% clean house.
And then you know what happens? An MBA from the Wharton School of Business is hired as CEO/President and he calls a 'football person' for recommendations...the same process that brought us Pace/Fox.. Either that or the current CFO takes over and is promoted. I'm just not sure Phillips, outside of hiring Pace, has any impact on the field product. Salary cap is set by the league, Bears spend just the same as the other team. Chicago District controls Soldier's Field. So what are we expecting the CEO/President to do?
How many of US were questioning whether or not it would be a good idea to draft Floyd , when rumors emerged he was on their list of 'possibles' ?
Alot ... and I was 1 of them , cuz I just couldn't shake the thought that he only had 17 sacks his whole college career . I haven't given up on him at all ( actually I think he'd make a good OLB ) but if Pace actually DID draft him for the express purpose of being a STANDOUT edge rusher - based on 17 sacks his whole college career - then he needs to re-evaluate HOW he got 'sold' on him being THAT GUY . Either the scout is stupid , or Pace is stupid , or both are stupid . He will probably be a good OLB and a decent SITUATIONAL pass rusher ... but if Pace wants to have real success , he better know EXACTLY what he's getting when he drafts 1st rounders , and they better pan out ... cuz if they don't , then it'll prove he actually doesn't know what he's doing .