According to Crain business which I posted in another thread, Phillips oversees the business aspect of the Bears operation, while Pace reports directly to ownership. So Phillips has as much to do with the product on the field as I do. He's a club president. Mike Murphy is the only club president with actual on field experience. The rest are businessmen drafted to oversee the business side of running a club--a business CEO.
Want to fire Phillips? Go ahead. Won't do a thing. We know where the problems are on this team: talent (Pace and Fox) and coaching (Fox and to a lesser degree Pace.)
+1 This is how I see it too.
Phillips is a bean counter. Nothing more. The GM is "The Man" who hires the coaches, acquires 100% of the players on the roster - both in the draft and free agency.
He hires.
He fires.
These are HIS coaches.
These are HIS players.
This is HIS team.
If the team is screwed up on Ryan Pace's watch then we have a problem with Pace picking the wrong coaches and/or players. Period.
I see it the exact same way, but do not necessarily share your view that Fox was not thrust upon him. I am not saying he was either. I am saying that it in fact is a possibility, no matter how it looked from the outside. Blame still rests with Pace though. However, it would be a mitigating factor.
Phillips is a bean counter. Nothing more. The GM is "The Man" who hires the coaches, acquires 100% of the players on the roster - both in the draft and free agency.
He hires.
He fires.
These are HIS coaches.
These are HIS players.
This is HIS team.
If the team is screwed up on Ryan Pace's watch then we have a problem with Pace picking the wrong coaches and/or players. Period.
I see it the exact same way, but do not necessarily share your view that Fox was not thrust upon him. I am not saying he was either. I am saying that it in fact is a possibility, no matter how it looked from the outside. Blame still rests with Pace though. However, it would be a mitigating factor.
That is a possibility. We may never know the truth of the matter. I tend to think it was probably nothing more than Pace thinking Fox was a good way to go at the time. I thought it was too, at the time. And as I've said a few times in these threads, I do believe Pace should get a 2nd chance to hire a head coach before they fire him.
"We’re pretty proud of that that you can kind of sustain strong business relationships without worrying about wins and losses. Obviously, when you win it’s better.”
It was time to get rid of Ted Phillips a decade ago because as long as he's CEO and the Bears operate on this premise they will never be consistent winners. He's not a football guy he's a bean counter but the Bears will always turn a profit win or lose. For that reason alone the McCaskey's will not fire him even when it's obvious the person in charge sitting in the CEO chair needs to be a football man.
More than likely at the McCaskey's suggestion Teddy always keeps a low profile so they're never put on the spot over why he's still here presiding over consistently losing teams. He's a big part of that losing culture make no mistake but not so much for what he does as for what he simply cannot do. He cannot lead a winning NFL football organization. He's about as suitable for it as I would be running a nuclear submarine. So there's at least 50% or more of the reason why the Bears remain consistent losers while others become consistent winners.
Now let's contrast Teddy Bear's attitude to one of the greatest football men who ever lived.
Are there any further question about how this guy began a tradition in Green Bay that still exists today and why since Lombardi came along Green Bay has kicked our asses harder and more often than we've kicked theirs? If there are any questions then read the rest of his quotes.
When GMcC told us all after he fired Emery and Trestman that things were gonna change around Halas Hall from now on. That the team would hire and be run by good football people. To me that meant Ted Phillips would be relegated to running spread sheets for the McCaskey family in some distant corner of the building far from the nerve center of football operations. It's just as obvious now that hasn't happened as it is that the team is still does not have capable hands manning all stations.
IMHO, and only IMHO, we've reached a nexus with the McCaskeys and this team. Most Bears fans are not ready for one more set of excuses for why things are the way they are and will likely remain that way because no changes are forthcoming. Most fans are no longer willing to accept that. Not even die hard fans of over 50 years like me. Just as I would not continue to eat in a restaurant that serves crappy food at outrageous prices coupled with lousy service I don't feel I need to accept another excuse from John Fox, Ryan Pace, or George McCaskey for this pathetic crap the expect fan support for.
The ones I feel bad for are a few players who have gone out every week and played as well as they can play in a system as fouled up as this is and have had to labor under a HC without a single clue of how to improve anything. A HC whose more interested in keeping is in as much suspense about injuries and personnel decisions as Trumpy is about accepting the will of the American people on election day. Foxy what kind of strategic secrets can you have that if know could possibly hurt this team any worse than your POS coaching has done? The more often you say it the dumber you look.
So yeah, Ted Phillips should be gone but he won't be because he's the guardian of the Bears bank account and even if GMcC and Ginny thought Fox should be fired Teddy Bear will show 'em the costs of doing so and they'll shrug and give us more excuses with bad luck and injuries at the top of the list instead of bad coaching and quite possibly bad drafting. I've defended the McCaskeys before (all but Mikey) but if the maintain status quo after all this I'm done doing that. They will have broken a promise made two years ago and if they aren't will to swallow another bitter pill that's the death knell for me.
Then I think what's best is they should simply sell the team to their minority owners and cash out. Pat Ryan and Andrew McKenna can then sell whatever portion they can't absorb to another and for once we'll be done having a team run by a bean counter and a family of great Bears fans who simply have no idea how to run a winning football organization. That ability died with George Halas and did not pass to his heirs.
"We’re pretty proud of that that you can kind of sustain strong business relationships without worrying about wins and losses. Obviously, when you win it’s better.”
It was time to get rid of Ted Phillips a decade ago because as long as he's CEO and the Bears operate on this premise they will never be consistent winners. He's not a football guy he's a bean counter but the Bears will always turn a profit win or lose. For that reason alone the McCaskey's will not fire him even when it's obvious the person in charge sitting in the CEO chair needs to be a football man.
More than likely at the McCaskey's suggestion Teddy always keeps a low profile so they're never put on the spot over why he's still here presiding over consistently losing teams. He's a big part of that losing culture make no mistake but not so much for what he does as for what he simply cannot do. He cannot lead a winning NFL football organization. He's about as suitable for it as I would be running a nuclear submarine. So there's at least 50% or more of the reason why the Bears remain consistent losers while others become consistent winners.
Now let's contrast Teddy Bear's attitude to one of the greatest football men who ever lived.
Are there any further question about how this guy began a tradition in Green Bay that still exists today and why since Lombardi came along Green Bay has kicked our asses harder and more often than we've kicked theirs? If there are any questions then read the rest of his quotes.
When GMcC told us all after he fired Emery and Trestman that things were gonna change around Halas Hall from now on. That the team would hire and be run by good football people. To me that meant Ted Phillips would be relegated to running spread sheets for the McCaskey family in some distant corner of the building far from the nerve center of football operations. It's just as obvious now that hasn't happened as it is that the team is still does not have capable hands manning all stations.
IMHO, and only IMHO, we've reached a nexus with the McCaskeys and this team. Most Bears fans are not ready for one more set of excuses for why things are the way they are and will likely remain that way because no changes are forthcoming. Most fans are no longer willing to accept that. Not even die hard fans of over 50 years like me. Just as I would not continue to eat in a restaurant that serves crappy food at outrageous prices coupled with lousy service I don't feel I need to accept another excuse from John Fox, Ryan Pace, or George McCaskey for this pathetic crap the expect fan support for.
The ones I feel bad for are a few players who have gone out every week and played as well as they can play in a system as fouled up as this is and have had to labor under a HC without a single clue of how to improve anything. A HC whose more interested in keeping is in as much suspense about injuries and personnel decisions as Trumpy is about accepting the will of the American people on election day. Foxy what kind of strategic secrets can you have that if know could possibly hurt this team any worse than your POS coaching has done? The more often you say it the dumber you look.
So yeah, Ted Phillips should be gone but he won't be because he's the guardian of the Bears bank account and even if GMcC and Ginny thought Fox should be fired Teddy Bear will show 'em the costs of doing so and they'll shrug and give us more excuses with bad luck and injuries at the top of the list instead of bad coaching and quite possibly bad drafting. I've defended the McCaskeys before (all but Mikey) but if the maintain status quo after all this I'm done doing that. They will have broken a promise made two years ago and if they aren't will to swallow another bitter pill that's the death knell for me.
Then I think what's best is they should simply sell the team to their minority owners and cash out. Pat Ryan and Andrew McKenna can then sell whatever portion they can't absorb to another and for once we'll be done having a team run by a bean counter and a family of great Bears fans who simply have no idea how to run a winning football organization. That ability died with George Halas and did not pass to his heirs.
Bravo! I quoted it so people can read it again....
Again, fire Phillips if you want, don't care. But what do you think changes? Everything I've read says that Philipps runs the business side of the Bears. Pace runs the football side-roster, draft, FA signings, hiring coaches.
Phillips over sees--VP of Marketing, VP of PR, VP of this, VP of that...Only payroll decisions he makes are how are much to pay the mail room clerks, and even that is handled by the VP of HR.
So....What do we think changes on the field if Phillips is fired?
And in that you're correct but please read my post bb. Read his comments to Jeff Joniak and then harken back to those he made after we played in the Super Bowl and he was asked about increasing payroll costs for players and coaches. Based on how Mikey became a cheapo following in SB win in '86 it was a legit question. A very legit question.
Do you recall his response? I do. He basically pleaded some degree of poverty and financial constraint because the McCaskey's were not independently wealthy people and said that Bears fans should not expect to win every year if if wasn't affordable to do so. Now, ten years hence match that up with what he just told Jeff Joniak. The words may be different but the message is much the same.
Ted Phillips is the President/CEO of the Bears. The highest ranking officer in the corporation and the HNIC where the buck stops and by that I mean he controls the bucks stopping their outflow when need be. All of them. Running the business side means he is the keeper of the McCaskeys only real form of wealth and all of the bank accounts that don't belong to a member of the McCaskey family personally. Basically he is the bank and of the McCaskey's didn't need him he'd have been gone long ago. He's the one who keeps them making a profit and keeps them from losing their $1.3 billion dollar team.
So don't kid yourself when you limit Teddy Bears influence like you did. It's far greater than you think. Or in the words of Trumpy "it's yuge"......"it's bigly"!
Ryan Pace may report directly to GMcC but if he says he wants to fire John Fox which means the Bears will have to eat 2 - 2 1/2 years of his 4 year contract Ted Phillips will be there with his spread sheets, his P&L and his advice and I have a hunch what it will be.
"So....What do we think changes on the field if Phillips is fired"?
Maybe a lot but none of it soon enough to help much with this disaster. But.....since he's the keeper of the keys to the vault I think Ginny will be long dead and buried before that ever happens. As long as the McCaskey's own controlling interest and Ted Phillips draws breath he'll more than likely keep his job the inept fool that he is.
According to Crain business which I posted in another thread, Phillips oversees the business aspect of the Bears operation, while Pace reports directly to ownership. So Phillips has as much to do with the product on the field as I do. He's a club president. Mike Murphy is the only club president with actual on field experience. The rest are businessmen drafted to oversee the business side of running a club--a business CEO.
Want to fire Phillips? Go ahead. Won't do a thing. We know where the problems are on this team: talent (Pace and Fox) and coaching (Fox and to a lesser degree Pace.)
+1 This is how I see it too.
Phillips is a bean counter. Nothing more. The GM is "The Man" who hires the coaches, acquires 100% of the players on the roster - both in the draft and free agency.
He hires.
He fires.
These are HIS coaches.
These are HIS players.
This is HIS team.
If the team is screwed up on Ryan Pace's watch then we have a problem with Pace picking the wrong coaches and/or players. Period.
I would suggest that none of you see it this way. Ted Phillips is the Bears President/CEO and it is not just a ceremonial title I assure you. The fact that he possesses no recognizable skills to hold that position doesn't in the mind of the McCaskeys disqualify him from his position because to them his bean counting is more important to them than going that final mile to building a winning organization with a top football man at the top.
Read my other posts and you'll see what I mean. If any of you want to disagree or debate them do it after you read them please. I'm no genius and never claimed to be but in over 50 years of following the Bears some patterns are almost impossible to miss even if I was blind, deaf, and dumb none of which I am just yet.
I wish this organization would get a owner like Robert Kraft. Under his leadership, the New England Patriots are currently the NFL's second-most-valuable franchise, valued at $3.4 billion, according to Forbes. During his tenure as owner, the Patriots have won more division titles (15), conferences titles (7) & Super Bowls (4) than any NFL team.
Some quotes from him as well.
"Everybody in our organization puts winning first," Kraft said. "We have people check their ego in at the front door and do whatever they can do, whether it's the guy cutting the grass, or the young lady answering the switchboard, we're all putting 'team' first."
"We try to create an environment where we have a system where we're not dependent on any one person or party," Kraft said.
"You have to step back and look at the big picture," he said. "Over the last decade, our ratings are up roughly 30 percent, while broadcast prime-time ratings are roughly down 30 percent."
Bob Kraft;"Everybody in our organization puts winning first," Kraft said.
Ted Phillips; “When we talk about appealing to sponsors, we never talk about wins and losses,” Phillips said.
Ted Phillps; “A lot of the sales pitches that get done, they don’t talk about wins and losses."
Ted Phillips; "We’re pretty proud of that that you can kind of sustain strong business relationships without worrying about wins and losses. Obviously, when you win it’s better.”
So in just one sentence Bob Kraft tells you all you need to know about how he runs his team. Ted Phillips says three times that wins and losses don't matter as much as sponsorship and the "Bears Brand". The Brand......The Brand.....we're getting The Brand back together!!! Oh wait.... that's in comedy movie Phillips is a real life comic. Real funny isn't he?
What happened to that little snot nosed QB from Texas A&M who came in more concerned about his "Brand" the he did about playing football. Where is that little loser today? I hear a lot about another brand that's going to hell in a basket right now too due to some of the same terminal arrogance Teddy Bear is spouting here. Are the words Bears fans even mentioned once in his little speech here? Hell no, it's all about corporate sponsorship and business relationships not wins and losses. Those are nice but not important much like the fans. We like you but we prefer sponsors. They don't care as much whether we win or lose.
So now how many think Ted Phillips has zero to do with the losing culture that is the Bears? How many times do you think Teddy Bear has reminded the McCaskey's that winning takes money and involves risks they don't need to take because; "I think for the most part we have had a lot of success doing that because people understand the power of the Bears brand and what it means to the city of Chicago, what it means to the NFL, what it means to their own brand." So geez Ginny and George I'd like to win to but can we afford to win when we really don't need to and we can still make big bucks?
When I hear Robert Kraft talk I hear one word......win. When Ted Phillips talks I hear win, lose it's all the same to me just as long as we make money.
This is the CEO of your football team sportsfans and I assure to he has a more direct conduit to the McCaskeys than Ryan Pace will ever have. Is this the guy you want running your football team because no matter what some business reports says about how the Bears choose to depict their organizational structure in public I'm saying this is the way it really is.
So under Ted Phillips : we hire consulting firms who tell us which INEXPERIENCED ( "cheaper") GM's to hire and those GM's consistently hired inexperienced HC's . Now we have an 'experienced' HC operating under an inexperienced GM ( still ) . So the common denominator is Phillips making sure INEXPERIENCED ( which = UNPROVEN ) people running this franchise .
How bout we go out and get experienced people ( from top to bottom ) , with a PROVEN winning track record , running this team for once ?
( ... or maybe they'll be content basically throwing their money away for another decade . )
That's why I want new owners and etc. Phillip and McCaskey have no idea how to run a successful Football team. Cubs and Blackhawks got new ownership and look at them now. One is a dynasty while the other one is close to winning the World Series. Do you see that happening here with the Bears? Honestly I don't.
"the power of the Bears brand and what it means to the city of Chicago"
What power? This isn't the 80's anymore. In which we won our only Super Bowl. This team since the Ditka era has only made the playoffs 5 times out of 23 seasons. While Dikta lead the Bears to 7 playoffs with only 10 seasons and 1 Super Bowl.
Its crazy when you look at the Packers since 93 and compare it to the Bears. 2 Super Bowls and 18 playoffs appearances out of 23 seasons.
Heck the Vikings seem to have more success getting to the playoffs since 93 then we do. 0 Super Bowls but 12 playoff appearances out of 23 seasons.
Sad thing is even the Lions made the playoffs more times than the Bears did. Clocking in at 7 playoff appearances since 93.
The Bears are becoming a faded name and a laughing stock similar to the Browns.