I don't know who from , but I suspect there were many who hadn't quite run out of patience with Cutty at that time - but nowdays I think it's pretty much everybody who sees his time here at an end ( and if they don't then they're friggin retarded ) .
Wasn't really a Cutty thing for me. More of a maximizing the teams position. If you are not going to make the playoffs, the thing that will help the team the most is a high draft position. Seemed logical to me. Then I got all this tanking stuff back. I wasn't really wanting the team to throw in the towel. More of playing the guys that were the future. Kinda like how Fox seems to run the team anyway. Some of the vet moves he made (Forte, Bennett) were the kinds of things I would have done to get the new guys more time, stillt ry hard but yet probably lose. He does that as his normal course of events apparently.
Yeah they spend so much time worrying about other areas of the team ( they want more depth here they want more depth there ) ... yet they never seem to value enough depth at the MOST IMPORTANT position on the whole fkn team - QB . Hey guys , draft for good DEPTH at QB too !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Amazing . Worry about getting caught with ur pants down if you don't have enough depth a fkn safety ... but it's somehow ok to get caught with ur pants down when you don't have enough DEPTH AT QB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yep, and for how many years has that been going on now? Other teams like NE and GB are always picking up QBs in the middle rounds even though they have well established starters and we draft Safeties. The lowest and most disposable player on the defensive totem pole. And we never take the very best of them higher they're always kind of an after thought pick and few last more than a year or two. It's become a joke among us but not a very funny one at all.
As I posted if Pace is a smart young GM he should do what I would and that is to begin to distance myself from Fox because in another week we'll have a 0-4 start and be well on our way to an even worse season than last year. We have six NFCN games to play starting with Detroit next week. If anyone honestly believe we stand much chance of winning any of them with this team with no running game and a defense as bare as we have now it's time to put down the pipe.
So that's a very good chance of 10 losses right there. 2-6 after 8 weeks at best is what I see and probably no more than 2-6 the last 8 weeks unless we improve on offense and get some defensive starters back. We;d need to get very lucky to even get to 8-8 and that won't be good enough to keep the Chicago media from clawing at Fox. Remember they don't like his secrecy and his vagueness to begin with and now it appears that at least some of his reports have been half truths or out an out lies. Once he gets on their bad side he'll stay there for a very long while just as Cutler had and even trading Cutler to save his ass like Trestman tried doing when he benched him won't work. That'll be way too easy to see through for anyone with half a brain.
He'll escape because the McCaskey's, or should I say Ted Phillips, won't eat two years of his salary but I'll be surprised if he recovers from it in 2017 with a new QB and an OC no better than Loggains. After the Emery/Trestman/Tucker episode fans patience is wearing very thin and the other wild card is how much longer will Ginny McCaskey last and what will that mean as far as the Bears ownership if she does pass? They say the team will never be sold but they once said that about Wrigley and the Cubs.
Like I said if I'm a 39 year old newbie NFL GM with a career to protect it's time to think about doing that now and not be to concerned about a 61 year old HC whose on his last job before retirement to wherever.
I don't know who from , but I suspect there were many who hadn't quite run out of patience with Cutty at that time - but nowdays I think it's pretty much everybody who sees his time here at an end ( and if they don't then they're friggin retarded ) .
Wasn't really a Cutty thing for me. More of a maximizing the teams position. If you are not going to make the playoffs, the thing that will help the team the most is a high draft position. Seemed logical to me. Then I got all this tanking stuff back. I wasn't really wanting the team to throw in the towel. More of playing the guys that were the future. Kinda like how Fox seems to run the team anyway. Some of the vet moves he made (Forte, Bennett) were the kinds of things I would have done to get the new guys more time, stillt ry hard but yet probably lose. He does that as his normal course of events apparently.
Fox's biggest change from year 1 to year 2 with his old teams was being able to add an elite pass rusher and a QB who would play above average. When you add Peppers/Miller and a peak Delhomne/Manning, it would make Trestman look like a genius. Considering his prior QBs were Rodney Peete and Tim Tebow, that is some upgrade. Go to profootballreference and look at the difference in the starters from year to year 2 on Fox's team, upgrades all across the board. Here in Chicago? I doubt Floyd will be Peppers/Miller and there was no upgrade a QB. The 'Fox bounce' was a myth, yet many fans grabbed it like it was gospel.
Wasn't really a Cutty thing for me. More of a maximizing the teams position. If you are not going to make the playoffs, the thing that will help the team the most is a high draft position. Seemed logical to me. Then I got all this tanking stuff back. I wasn't really wanting the team to throw in the towel. More of playing the guys that were the future. Kinda like how Fox seems to run the team anyway. Some of the vet moves he made (Forte, Bennett) were the kinds of things I would have done to get the new guys more time, stillt ry hard but yet probably lose. He does that as his normal course of events apparently.
Fox's biggest change from year 1 to year 2 with his old teams was being able to add an elite pass rusher and a QB who would play above average. When you add Peppers/Miller and a peak Delhomne/Manning, it would make Trestman look like a genius. Considering his prior QBs were Rodney Peete and Tim Tebow, that is some upgrade. Go to profootballreference and look at the difference in the starters from year to year 2 on Fox's team, upgrades all across the board. Here in Chicago? I doubt Floyd will be Peppers/Miller and there was no upgrade a QB. The 'Fox bounce' was a myth, yet many fans grabbed it like it was gospel.
average Coach but you'll see his work in 2 years. He can Coach up Young guys and Talent, it just Needs time and he isn't the Coach to win the Lombardi with. We could do worse for sure
Then you've confirmed what I've been saying. We have the wrong coach.
This isn't about making the Bears profitable. They're already wildly profitable and worth in excess of $1.2 billion dollars. This is about making the Bears into the proud and winning franchise they once were again. This was the commitment the McCaskey Family made.
When Fox and Pace were hired they unequivocally stated this was not a tear down and rebuild but they were only making moves that would contribute to winning and winning now. So unless they elect to be called out as either liars or inept they can go back on that now asking for more time unless they can show progress towards they initial goal.
This is the NFL and it's how the big kids play. If that doesn't suit them they should each open a dry cleaning business or a pet shop.
Yep, and for how many years has that been going on now? Other teams like NE and GB are always picking up QBs in the middle rounds even though they have well established starters and we draft Safeties. The lowest and most disposable player on the defensive totem pole. And we never take the very best of them higher they're always kind of an after thought pick and few last more than a year or two. It's become a joke among us but not a very funny one at all.
As I posted if Pace is a smart young GM he should do what I would and that is to begin to distance myself from Fox because in another week we'll have a 0-4 start and be well on our way to an even worse season than last year. We have six NFCN games to play starting with Detroit next week. If anyone honestly believe we stand much chance of winning any of them with this team with no running game and a defense as bare as we have now it's time to put down the pipe.
So that's a very good chance of 10 losses right there. 2-6 after 8 weeks at best is what I see and probably no more than 2-6 the last 8 weeks unless we improve on offense and get some defensive starters back. We;d need to get very lucky to even get to 8-8 and that won't be good enough to keep the Chicago media from clawing at Fox. Remember they don't like his secrecy and his vagueness to begin with and now it appears that at least some of his reports have been half truths or out an out lies. Once he gets on their bad side he'll stay there for a very long while just as Cutler had and even trading Cutler to save his ass like Trestman tried doing when he benched him won't work. That'll be way too easy to see through for anyone with half a brain.
He'll escape because the McCaskey's, or should I say Ted Phillips, won't eat two years of his salary but I'll be surprised if he recovers from it in 2017 with a new QB and an OC no better than Loggains. After the Emery/Trestman/Tucker episode fans patience is wearing very thin and the other wild card is how much longer will Ginny McCaskey last and what will that mean as far as the Bears ownership if she does pass? They say the team will never be sold but they once said that about Wrigley and the Cubs.
Like I said if I'm a 39 year old newbie NFL GM with a career to protect it's time to think about doing that now and not be to concerned about a 61 year old HC whose on his last job before retirement to wherever.
i do wish i didn't agree with this.
Me too and it give me no joy to write it either but if a mistake is truly a mistake giving it more time only compounds the problem. When the Enron scandal broke it was time to sell Enron stock not wait to see if they somehow survived it. Timing is everything.
When Fox and Pace were hired they unequivocally stated this was not a tear down and rebuild but they were only making moves that would contribute to winning and winning now.
I know. But then they dropped the nuclear warhead on the team and vaporized the roster :-)
I picture Pace and Fox as being like that Slim Pickens guy riding the nuke in Dr. Strangelove... now that I think about it, Fox even looks a bit like Slim. LOL, fast forward this clip to 1:38. Tell me that guy doesn't make you think of Foxy just a bit. Riding that nuke down to get B.Marsh, Forte, Slauson, Brandon Marshall and the rest of the ex-Bears stars :-)
Wasn't really a Cutty thing for me. More of a maximizing the teams position. If you are not going to make the playoffs, the thing that will help the team the most is a high draft position. Seemed logical to me. Then I got all this tanking stuff back. I wasn't really wanting the team to throw in the towel. More of playing the guys that were the future. Kinda like how Fox seems to run the team anyway. Some of the vet moves he made (Forte, Bennett) were the kinds of things I would have done to get the new guys more time, stillt ry hard but yet probably lose. He does that as his normal course of events apparently.
Fox's biggest change from year 1 to year 2 with his old teams was being able to add an elite pass rusher and a QB who would play above average. When you add Peppers/Miller and a peak Delhomne/Manning, it would make Trestman look like a genius. Considering his prior QBs were Rodney Peete and Tim Tebow, that is some upgrade. Go to profootballreference and look at the difference in the starters from year to year 2 on Fox's team, upgrades all across the board. Here in Chicago? I doubt Floyd will be Peppers/Miller and there was no upgrade a QB. The 'Fox bounce' was a myth, yet many fans grabbed it like it was gospel.
That's very likely true bb and also the conclusion I'm coming to and why I'm saying let's call it a mistake and move on. More time will not help. Cutler is at least as capable as Dehomme ever was but the D without great pass rushers and the offense without someone to scheme it and guide it won't be enough to win with so you have to do it with what you have and Fox simply doesn't have what it takes to do that.