Any chance Hoyer's numbers will be better than Jay's?

It's a protective instinct. Like a reflex.

Not only do i think they'll be better, I think they'll screw up that top five pick some of you covet.

So, Does anyone think that the multiple 3 and outs during the first half, with a screen pass and a good run by Howard constitute better play than what Jay has been doing?

Did Hoyer get anything done before the bears were down by 21 points?

I'd would never advocate tanking a season.  That about as chicken shit as committing suicide in my book and while Indy did it to be able to draft Luck is hasn't done them much good so far.  That's why I keep pointing out that Cutler is only a very small part of the problem and one that might even resolve itself if other issues were taken care of.  We both agree on that.

It's also entirely possible that once teams get more film on a few of these rookie QBs their weaknesses will be easier to spot, defensing them will be easier, and no one will be preparing their HOF busts quite as quickly as the media is now.  NE has an offensive system most any QB could be plugged into and succeed.  It when that same QB isn't playing for NE that we get a much better picture of their actual talent.

Wentz has played well so far, very well, and Philly is looking like a much better team than we gave them credit for but then who have they played?  Two 0-3 teams and Pitt on a day when Big Ben coughs up two turnovers and has a 62 QBR.  I give the kid credit but he hasn't really been tested by a great defense yet.  Once he does we'll know more.

Prescott played very well tonight but it's much easier to do that when your RB gains 140 yards rushing and your being protected by one of the best line in the OL.....oh and also playing an 0-2 team with over half of it's defensive starters out.  A lot of QBs are gonna be happy to play us over the next month or so.

While I do agree that the Bears need an offensive identity I don't believe it's forged through failure.  That B movie shit is for those who believe in heroes and that Captain American really exists.  Success has it's share of mistakes along the way but the only thing failure breeds is more failures.  Ask the Cubs.  That team turned around when they found players they could win with a manager who could take them there.  The 100 plus years of failure got them nowhere.

I lived near Green Bay during the Lombardi Era and I can guarantee you he didn't walk in the door and tell a bunch of losers that losing would make them better or stronger of help them forge an identity. He gave them their identity and told them they either played up to his expectations or they'd be former Packers.  Had a winning record is first year and an NFL Championship by his third.

George Halas created the Monsters of the Midway and created an identify for his championship teams as well.  Can John Fox do that?  I don't believe he can or if he can he hasn't even come close to it yet.  I hear what you're saying about Fox and a rebuild all over again and whatever but IMHO it's gonna happen just like that anyway.  Some marriages don't work and I believe this is one of them.  In this case the young bride (Pace) married the older wiser man (Fox) and gave him more credit for his wisdom than he should have.  Now it's beginning to show.

I really don't think this will be a long and happy marriage at all.  Oh the fights will be behind closed doors as they were with Elway but Fox is proving he's a stubborn old coot whose seem willing to lose his way than to try winning someone else's.  He is what he is belli and he's not gonna change.  The job is his retirement plan and the last NFL HC job he'll ever have.  We need a younger more dynamic guy not Fox.