Bobby Massie - can he get better?

QUOTE; When I played linebacker in the 4-3 we were supposed to funnel guys to our help on run plays... it's not much different on the line.

On defense I would agree but far less so on offense unless help is schemed for him and from what I can see it was not.  You said it yourself.  They pretty much had him on an island so where was his help?  Long nailed Watt only when he had no other rusher to block.  That wasn't schemed.  Let's not confuse defensive run techniques with offensive pass protection.

QUOTE; Are you surprised Cutler got hit? Especially with his penchant to hold onto the ball too long? I'm not... so I guess thats where I'm coming from.

And I'm just gonna call bullshit on the above entirely.  That's an old and very dated fallback for some of you.  BB even timed those plays for you guys and he's getting less than 3 seconds before he's hit.  So that's nonsense.  If he throws into tight coverage and gets picked he's wrong and when they finally get him to stop doing that well then it's he just holds the ball too long.  That's a double bind and you know it.........so that's where I'm coming from.

I can watch a video without having any preconceived notions. I made my comments about him long before I read that recent scouting report and frankly what I see seems to agree with that scouting report anyway.  Good, well rounded OTs are hard to come by in FA and the fact that AZ didn't attempt to re-sign him and that he was available as long as he was also says other teams also seem some of those shortcomings. He was not our first choice either.

Based on all of this I would say it's a fact that he's not a very good pass blocker but I don't disagree with you that he was up against some very good pass rushers on Sunday.  Still......he has to do better than that or we'll be playing with Hoyer under OC eventually.

Look, we are so far from agreeing on this that we might just as well wait a few more games and then one of us will end up being more right than the other but there's no reason to have a pissing match over it now. If I'm wrong I'll have no problem in admitting it because it will be a huge benefit to the team and to Cutler if he does improve.

Peace.

Massie played in the first half as well the second. Against the same guys. The line (of which he is a part) did ok. The line broke down in the second half. Was Massie more responsible than others? Perhaps, but he did get it done for the same amount of time as most of the rest of the team.
The second half was a team fail. Can we do better than Massie? Yes, I think so, but I also think that if we replaced him, it would not have been that much of a better product in the second half.
Much more was going on there.

$6 mil so he's not going anywhere and anyway we aren't gonna get lucky and have the ghost of GSH drop a Pro Bowl LG AND a Pro Bowl RT in our laps this year.

I don't believe he'll get better either but I suppose there's the possibility that he may be less challenged other weeks than he was this past week and/or they can supply him with more help when he does face better speed rushers.  There do seem to be some options we elected not to use last Sunday.

One way or another unless Mike Adams somehow miraculously turns into something he's never been either Massie is who we've got for the year and Pace will just have to work on an upgrade next spring.  I doubt Massie will look a whole lot better to us then than he does now but again I'll be thrilled if he proves me wrong.....I really will.

Has Massie played in a zone scheme before?