Post by brasilbear on Sept 10, 2016 17:56:25 GMT -6
White needs to show eventually what he is capable of. G4 of the preseason didn't show me anything. He was drafted to take the top off of defenses, and until he does, is going down as a bad pick. GMs can find WRs capable of running slant ins, 4 yard hooks and catch bubble screens in later rounds. But if you spend a 1st on a receiver he has to be a game changer. To me that means a threat to go deep anytime he wants and a strong target in the redzone.
Through the 4 preseason games, White showed none of this. I don't buy the "Bears are keeping what White can do secret." NE saw what he can do, those reports are filtering through the league as I type. Every team knew White coming into the draft and what he could do. It doesn't take too much to project him now after a full camp. IMO it isn't White. Its Fox/Loggains plan to play ball-control, field position, and time of possession football. We are going to see the Run-and-Shoop again.
from the Tribune 2010:
"If John Shoop hopes to get any player endorsements in his bid to become the Bears' permanent offensive coordinator, his mission is clear.
Develop a rapport with your receivers, keep your defense off the field and punish the offensive line.
"That's what we're there for," tackle James Williams said.
Specifically, that means running the ball as much as possible, perhaps at the expense of a few admittedly self-centered receivers."
White needs to show why he was drafted at #7. Having him miss another day is a complete joke. Dude missed all of 2015 because of injury.
Because at the moment both of our 1st round picks have been pretty lack luster. White shown a little of what he could do in preseason 4 game.
The 46 players who suit up need to show up tomorrow. If White's one of them than he needs to show up. If he's not active it's because the medical staff deems him not fit to play. We can speculate all we want but no one on here knows the extent of the injury. We need to trust that Fox and his staff can make the right call about when to and when not to play an individual. Personally, I'd rather White sit out if he has an injury which could worsen if he plays tomorrow forcing him out more games just to please skeptical fans. I want White in as many games as possible this year, so do the coaches. They will make the best move they can to ensure that happens.
Something to keep in mind. This isn't the 1980s and 90s (and earlier) when a player would just get a shot of some banned substance or pain killer before the game. There are regulations about that kind of shit to protect the league (and as a side effect the players - though it should be the other way around).
While we all want them to play through owies, they don't have access to pills and drugs that allow them to play through them. They also have more supervision on who gets to play and who doesn't.
+1 Also, we do have some talent on the WR depth chart this year. I don't think it's like in past seasons where we were screwed if a starting WR went down... although some years our starting WR's were so bad the depth players were not that much of a drop off in talent. But seriously, if White doesn't play, we still have talent... all is not lost. And hopefully we can get a run-game going, even if White did play.
I don't buy that at all and I'm surprised you do. Having access and how much they're used these days are two different things but let's not kid ourselves into thinking they're not available to those who ask.
I do buy it. In fact, at the start of the 2015-16 NFL season, the NFL instituted a new policy in response to a lawsuit against the NFL brought forward by hundreds of players due to the long term health issues they suffered due (in part) to the administration of painkillers to continue playing through injuries. The new policy was instituted regarding the storage of painkillers in team facilities (click here).
The degree of access has changed due to increased scrutiny. Here's a decent article on the forced changes to the distribution of pain medications. I can link to many more if you'd like.
The DEA is monitoring the use and abuse of pain medications by NFL teams to a far greater extent than the ever. I'm not naive, so I am aware players can still get pain killers but it's not like the unregulated bygone days where team doctors could shoot you up on the sideline and tell you to get back in the game or where you could be concussed and encouraged / forced / expected to continue playing.
Times have changed. Thought that was pretty obvious.
Just testin' to see if you were paying attention. I'd sent you a PM and wanted to make sure you were still above ground. LOL
I didn't totally disagree with you relative to the hammy thing. I said you have a point but there's also a point where you have to draw the line on it.
However, I do disagree with you entirely on that leather helmet nonsense and I said so.
Listen all these guys are tough as nails, but w/money comes a softening, it just happens. No one stays hard as nails when they have pamper me money. Which is why it seems like all these guys are softer then the previous generation; and why most NHL guys are still so tough; very few get that kind of cash.
I'm not saying every Hammy needs to be treated the same; but I'm trusting the DR's and the Bears on this one b/c I have no choice but to.
OK, fair enough but I think our opinions still differ based on fact. When you say all you're painting with a very broad brush again.
Are you saying that a guy like Josh Sitton whose played though a painful foot injury and possibly some back issues and not missed a game since his first year in the league is an example the all you're saying here?
Is Kyle Long soft if he plays 16 games this season with his shoulder in a sling due to that labrum issue?
Has there been anything about Cutler's ability to bounce back from all of the hits he's taken that would still give anyone an excuse to say he's soft?
And these are only three Bears players. The list goes on an on. So that fact is some NFL players seem less motivated than others to play through hurts and I do make a distinction here between hurts and true injuries that would sideline anyone.
And.......IMHO the NHL is a very different culture than the NFL and always has been.
I don't buy that at all and I'm surprised you do. Having access and how much they're used these days are two different things but let's not kid ourselves into thinking they're not available to those who ask.
I do buy it. In fact, at the start of the 2015-16 NFL season, the NFL instituted a new policy in response to a lawsuit against the NFL brought forward by hundreds of players due to the long term health issues they suffered due (in part) to the administration of painkillers to continue playing through injuries. The new policy was instituted regarding the storage of painkillers in team facilities (click here).
The degree of access has changed due to increased scrutiny. Here's a decent article on the forced changes to the distribution of pain medications. I can link to many more if you'd like.
The DEA is monitoring the use and abuse of pain medications by NFL teams to a far greater extent than the ever. I'm not naive, so I am aware players can still get pain killers but it's not like the unregulated bygone days where team doctors could shoot you up on the sideline and tell you to get back in the game or where you could be concussed and encouraged / forced / expected to continue playing.
Times have changed. Thought that was pretty obvious.
Belli after reading both articles I would agree that the distribution of pain killers by NFL teams is not as great as it once was but much like any other situation where the NFL or any other entity is self policing enough back doors have been left unlocked to assure alternatives to those teams and those players who require it and are willing to take certain risks.
There were quite a few caveats stated in the first article as well not the least of which it is still the NFL teams who hire their own team physicians and the league itself who hires the supervising local physicians for the visiting teams not the AMA or the DEA or any independent party. So the potential for a conflict of interest does exist because the league itself does the hiring. Maybe the greatest potential for abuse in dodging these new guidelines is found in the second article.
According to a DEA spokesperson, it is commonplace for NFL team doctors to acquire and store large quantities of prescription painkillers with no patient in mind -- the idea being that team doctors are then prepared when players are injured, in pain and in need of relief. The practice is legal.
So while the distribution of pain killers may not be as out in the open or widespread as it once was it seems these new rules or guidelines may be as much for appearance sake as they are having an impact on those who feel they require those pain killers to perform. By one means of another, including buying them themselves on the street, some players can get them if they want.
These guys are holding down jobs that can pay millions of dollars a year that require them to play and play well each week if they expect to keep their job. Spending a few thousand dollars of their own money to assure they can isn't out of the question either as the testimony of some of those interviewed for those articles indicates. They can get them if they want them. That's all I'm saying.
Listen all these guys are tough as nails, but w/money comes a softening, it just happens. No one stays hard as nails when they have pamper me money. Which is why it seems like all these guys are softer then the previous generation; and why most NHL guys are still so tough; very few get that kind of cash.
I'm not saying every Hammy needs to be treated the same; but I'm trusting the DR's and the Bears on this one b/c I have no choice but to.
OK, fair enough but I think our opinions still differ based on fact. When you say all you're painting with a very broad brush again.
Are you saying that a guy like Josh Sitton whose played though a painful foot injury and possibly some back issues and not missed a game since his first year in the league is an example the all you're saying here?
Is Kyle Long soft if he plays 16 games this season with his shoulder in a sling due to that labrum issue?
Has there been anything about Cutler's ability to bounce back from all of the hits he's taken that would still give anyone an excuse to say he's soft?
And these are only three Bears players. The list goes on an on. So that fact is some NFL players seem less motivated than others to play through hurts and I do make a distinction here between hurts and true injuries that would sideline anyone.
And.......IMHO the NHL is a very different culture than the NFL and always has been.
That's why I said "seems like all" SEEMS doesn't mean IS.