I don't think a Hammy for a WR is really an 'owie" though. Availability is huge I agree, but your ability to run is also important.
datree, I think men being men goes back to something close to the leather helmet days. But these guys are going to go out there and get destroyed w/high speed high impact hits, I don't blame anyone that doesn't want to go out there already hampered.
I don't think a Hammy for a WR is really an 'owie" though. Availability is huge I agree, but your ability to run is also important.
datree, I think men being men goes back to something close to the leather helmet days. But these guys are going to go out there and get destroyed w/high speed high impact hits, I don't blame anyone that doesn't want to go out there already hampered.
So you'd rather just blame the majority of it all on Cutler then even when the team is rarely at full strength? You do tend to do that you know.
A hammy strain can be an "owie" or it can be more serious. AJ played some games with one last year and missed others. I have no idea how serious KW's situation is but what I'm saying still fits. Any player who can't play and takes up a roster spot hurts this team especially one on offense.
Men being men doesn't go back to the leather helmet days. That's nonsense. The current NFL is what it is and the playing field is level for all teams as far as injuries go. In a 16 game season there are times when a player won't be 100% but if he can play IMHO he should play. If this is the career they've chosen for themselves there are both risks and obligations that are entailed. At some point in time a player needs to push past some of those risks and meet his obligations.
Men being men doesn't go back to the leather helmet days. That's nonsense. The current NFL is what it is and the playing field is level for all teams as far as injuries go. In a 16 game season there are times when a player won't be 100% but if he can play IMHO he should play. If this is the career they've chosen for themselves there are both risks and obligations that are entailed. At some point in time a player needs to push past some of those risks and meet his obligations.
Exactly, they are paying them huge amounts to play and what they ALL understand this is a dangerous game. If you don't like it get shovel and I'll move over in the ditch to make room or better yet I'll take that money and blow out my knees, hips or whatever for that kind of cash. It's simple if you take the cash than play asshole if you are not going play leave the cash on the table.
I don't think a Hammy for a WR is really an 'owie" though. Availability is huge I agree, but your ability to run is also important.
datree, I think men being men goes back to something close to the leather helmet days. But these guys are going to go out there and get destroyed w/high speed high impact hits, I don't blame anyone that doesn't want to go out there already hampered.
So you'd rather just blame the majority of it all on Cutler then even when the team is rarely at full strength? You do tend to do that you know.
A hammy strain can be an "owie" or it can be more serious. AJ played some games with one last year and missed others. I have no idea how serious KW's situation is but what I'm saying still fits. Any player who can't play and takes up a roster spot hurts this team especially one on offense.
Men being men doesn't go back to the leather helmet days. That's nonsense. The current NFL is what it is and the playing field is level for all teams as far as injuries go. In a 16 game season there are times when a player won't be 100% but if he can play IMHO he should play. If this is the career they've chosen for themselves there are both risks and obligations that are entailed. At some point in time a player needs to push past some of those risks and meet his obligations.
What? Where did Cutler come into this? I think AJ is a perfect example of trying to play through a Hammy when you shouldn't. Forte is on the other end where it wasn't so bad and he could play through it. If the team decides to hold him out then imo you are looking at something closer to AJ's where he needs to sit and let it heal.
It might not go back that far, but I think you started to see less of that style well before Forte came into the league.
White needs to show why he was drafted at #7. Having him miss another day is a complete joke. Dude missed all of 2015 because of injury.
Because at the moment both of our 1st round picks have been pretty lack luster. White shown a little of what he could do in preseason 4 game.
The 46 players who suit up need to show up tomorrow. If White's one of them than he needs to show up. If he's not active it's because the medical staff deems him not fit to play. We can speculate all we want but no one on here knows the extent of the injury. We need to trust that Fox and his staff can make the right call about when to and when not to play an individual. Personally, I'd rather White sit out if he has an injury which could worsen if he plays tomorrow forcing him out more games just to please skeptical fans. I want White in as many games as possible this year, so do the coaches. They will make the best move they can to ensure that happens.
Something to keep in mind. This isn't the 1980s and 90s (and earlier) when a player would just get a shot of some banned substance or pain killer before the game. There are regulations about that kind of shit to protect the league (and as a side effect the players - though it should be the other way around).
While we all want them to play through owies, they don't have access to pills and drugs that allow them to play through them. They also have more supervision on who gets to play and who doesn't.
So you'd rather just blame the majority of it all on Cutler then even when the team is rarely at full strength? You do tend to do that you know.
A hammy strain can be an "owie" or it can be more serious. AJ played some games with one last year and missed others. I have no idea how serious KW's situation is but what I'm saying still fits. Any player who can't play and takes up a roster spot hurts this team especially one on offense.
Men being men doesn't go back to the leather helmet days. That's nonsense. The current NFL is what it is and the playing field is level for all teams as far as injuries go. In a 16 game season there are times when a player won't be 100% but if he can play IMHO he should play. If this is the career they've chosen for themselves there are both risks and obligations that are entailed. At some point in time a player needs to push past some of those risks and meet his obligations.
What? Where did Cutler come into this? I think AJ is a perfect example of trying to play through a Hammy when you shouldn't. Forte is on the other end where it wasn't so bad and he could play through it. If the team decides to hold him out then imo you are looking at something closer to AJ's where he needs to sit and let it heal.
It might not go back that far, but I think you started to see less of that style well before Forte came into the league.
Just testin' to see if you were paying attention. I'd sent you a PM and wanted to make sure you were still above ground. LOL
I didn't totally disagree with you relative to the hammy thing. I said you have a point but there's also a point where you have to draw the line on it.
However, I do disagree with you entirely on that leather helmet nonsense and I said so.
White needs to show why he was drafted at #7. Having him miss another day is a complete joke. Dude missed all of 2015 because of injury.
Because at the moment both of our 1st round picks have been pretty lack luster. White shown a little of what he could do in preseason 4 game.
The 46 players who suit up need to show up tomorrow. If White's one of them than he needs to show up. If he's not active it's because the medical staff deems him not fit to play. We can speculate all we want but no one on here knows the extent of the injury. We need to trust that Fox and his staff can make the right call about when to and when not to play an individual. Personally, I'd rather White sit out if he has an injury which could worsen if he plays tomorrow forcing him out more games just to please skeptical fans. I want White in as many games as possible this year, so do the coaches. They will make the best move they can to ensure that happens.
Something to keep in mind. This isn't the 1980s and 90s (and earlier) when a player would just get a shot of some banned substance or pain killer before the game. There are regulations about that kind of shit to protect the league (and as a side effect the players - though it should be the other way around).
While we all want them to play through owies, they don't have access to pills and drugs that allow them to play through them. They also have more supervision on who gets to play and who doesn't.
I don't buy that at all and I'm surprised you do. Having access and how much they're used these days are two different things but let's not kid ourselves into thinking they're not available to those who ask.
The 46 players who suit up need to show up tomorrow. If White's one of them than he needs to show up. If he's not active it's because the medical staff deems him not fit to play. We can speculate all we want but no one on here knows the extent of the injury. We need to trust that Fox and his staff can make the right call about when to and when not to play an individual. Personally, I'd rather White sit out if he has an injury which could worsen if he plays tomorrow forcing him out more games just to please skeptical fans. I want White in as many games as possible this year, so do the coaches. They will make the best move they can to ensure that happens.
Something to keep in mind. This isn't the 1980s and 90s (and earlier) when a player would just get a shot of some banned substance or pain killer before the game. There are regulations about that kind of shit to protect the league (and as a side effect the players - though it should be the other way around).
While we all want them to play through owies, they don't have access to pills and drugs that allow them to play through them. They also have more supervision on who gets to play and who doesn't.
I don't buy that at all and I'm surprised you do. Having access and how much they're used these days are two different things but let's not kid ourselves into thinking they're not available to those who ask.
I do buy it. In fact, at the start of the 2015-16 NFL season, the NFL instituted a new policy in response to a lawsuit against the NFL brought forward by hundreds of players due to the long term health issues they suffered due (in part) to the administration of painkillers to continue playing through injuries. The new policy was instituted regarding the storage of painkillers in team facilities (click here).
The degree of access has changed due to increased scrutiny. Here's a decent article on the forced changes to the distribution of pain medications. I can link to many more if you'd like.
The DEA is monitoring the use and abuse of pain medications by NFL teams to a far greater extent than the ever. I'm not naive, so I am aware players can still get pain killers but it's not like the unregulated bygone days where team doctors could shoot you up on the sideline and tell you to get back in the game or where you could be concussed and encouraged / forced / expected to continue playing.
Times have changed. Thought that was pretty obvious.
What? Where did Cutler come into this? I think AJ is a perfect example of trying to play through a Hammy when you shouldn't. Forte is on the other end where it wasn't so bad and he could play through it. If the team decides to hold him out then imo you are looking at something closer to AJ's where he needs to sit and let it heal.
It might not go back that far, but I think you started to see less of that style well before Forte came into the league.
Just testin' to see if you were paying attention. I'd sent you a PM and wanted to make sure you were still above ground. LOL
I didn't totally disagree with you relative to the hammy thing. I said you have a point but there's also a point where you have to draw the line on it.
However, I do disagree with you entirely on that leather helmet nonsense and I said so.
Listen all these guys are tough as nails, but w/money comes a softening, it just happens. No one stays hard as nails when they have pamper me money. Which is why it seems like all these guys are softer then the previous generation; and why most NHL guys are still so tough; very few get that kind of cash.
I'm not saying every Hammy needs to be treated the same; but I'm trusting the DR's and the Bears on this one b/c I have no choice but to.