I would have harder after Jefferson, Wagner, Pryor, Britt, and if neither of Bouye or Gilmore would not come here, I'd be on Butler. He is still available now but I only see the Saints linked to him. He is an RFA so not sure what it would take to get him, but we should sure find out.
I hear you, but Jefferson was not coming here, just read an article saying he wants to play it to win it and that he rejected a much bigger offer from Browns. Wagner isnt much of an upgrade. We already have Meredith and White so probably no room for Pryor AND Britt, one of them wouldve been good though.
yeah, the play to win DOES hurt us with our record. Do they know Fox is a SB coach though? I do think Wagner would have been an upgrade, but that's me. Yeah... by going after Pryor and Britt, I meant getting at least one. But to wiff on every single top guy we go after? Every single one? Man.... something is just not right. And by that I mean more than just me.
yeah. me neither. But I guess the goal has moved to low risk rather than major leaps in talent.
what major leaps in talent, in this FA would you take? Mind some of the best, like AJ and Bouye wouldnt sign here
Just because like the Bears have done for years you throw out two names and were suppose to believe that the Bears couldn't have gotten other first day talent. Well I'll tell you just like would the Bears and Pace, BS. But since it's clear to anyone looking that the owner aren't willing to spend the money to help make this team better now, and Pace would rather work for a bad team then quit, he is going with the flow. It would also explain why the Bears have traded or let Pro Bowl players go. No one can tell me had the Bears offered AJ or even some of the other top tier day one talent, deals in line with what other teams offered them, that none of them would have signed with the Bears.
I like the idea of having such a honkin space eatin run stuffer in there to give Eddie some air. I really don't know much about the cat except he always seemed to look good against us. But then again...
Low risk move that may end up paying dividends. Does NO run a 3-4? I wonder if this guy just didn't fit well with the 4-3 scheme.
The Bears seem to keep signing these so called low risk players, but I don't see how a team that went 3-13 is reaping any rewards from these signings
I hear you, but Jefferson was not coming here, just read an article saying he wants to play it to win it and that he rejected a much bigger offer from Browns. Wagner isnt much of an upgrade. We already have Meredith and White so probably no room for Pryor AND Britt, one of them wouldve been good though.
yeah, the play to win DOES hurt us with our record. Do they know Fox is a SB coach though? I do think Wagner would have been an upgrade, but that's me. Yeah... by going after Pryor and Britt, I meant getting at least one. But to wiff on every single top guy we go after? Every single one? Man.... something is just not right. And by that I mean more than just me.
yeah, the play to win DOES hurt us with our record. Do they know Fox is a SB coach though? I do think Wagner would have been an upgrade, but that's me. Yeah... by going after Pryor and Britt, I meant getting at least one. But to wiff on every single top guy we go after? Every single one? Man.... something is just not right. And by that I mean more than just me.
Why do you think he would have been an upgrade?
I want guys that are head and shoulders above who we have. With Wagner vs Massie, that is not the case, but I think that he is still better than Massie. IMO, both are better at run plays than passing plays, but in both I think Wagner has a slight edge. JMO.
I want guys that are head and shoulders above who we have. With Wagner vs Massie, that is not the case, but I think that he is still better than Massie. IMO, both are better at run plays than passing plays, but in both I think Wagner has a slight edge. JMO.
Actually Wagner struggles in the run game, and prior to last year struggled in passing as well. The Ravens were concerned his improvement in the pass game this year was an anomaly.
I want guys that are head and shoulders above who we have. With Wagner vs Massie, that is not the case, but I think that he is still better than Massie. IMO, both are better at run plays than passing plays, but in both I think Wagner has a slight edge. JMO.
Actually Wagner struggles in the run game, and prior to last year struggled in passing as well. The Ravens were concerned his improvement in the pass game this year was an anomaly.
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Rick Wagner has a chance to show how far he's come with Michael Oher and the Titans coming to town.
The first time Rick Wagner had to step in for Michael Oher, it was a disaster.
It was opening night last season in Denver when the rookie Wagner relieved the injured Oher. Linebacker Shaun Phillips beat Wagner for 2.5 sacks that night.
Oh how times have changed.
Now Wagner is Oher’s full-time replacement, and it's clear the Ravens made the right decision letting Oher walk and placing their faith in Wagner.
With Oher (and Phillips) coming to M&T Bank Stadium on Sunday as members of the Titans, Wagner has a chance to show just how far he’s come.
“I’m pretty happy with the way I’ve been playing,” Wagner said. “I think I’ve made a pretty smooth transition to my starting role.”
Analytical website Pro Football Focus (PFF), rates Wagner as the best right tackle in the league and fifth-best offensive tackle (right or left) in the NFL.He’s earned midseason All-Pro honors from PFF and CBS Sports. Wagner said the honors are a “confidence boost,” but he isn’t one to brag.
As Wagner spoke to reporters Wednesday, he nervously crossed his hands and swayed back and forth. He said he felt more comfortable in Pittsburgh last Sunday than at the mic.
Wagner hardly says a word to anyone. He’s had a handful of interview requests this season, and that’s a generous estimation. The Ravens right tackle’s play has hardly been noticed this year, which is often a positive for an offensive lineman.
“Probably the thing that jumps out at me is his consistency,” Head Coach John Harbaugh said. “Rick is very consistent. He executes the techniques exactly the way that the scheme calls for.”
While the rest of the Ravens offensive line was battered by the Steelers pass rush last Sunday, Wagner had his finest game of the season, per PFF.
On the flight back in the wee hours of Monday morning, some players slept. Some were just too drained from the tough loss. Wagner was on his iPad, studying film from the loss with Offensive Line Coach Juan Castillo hovering over his shoulder.
It’s that blue-collar work ethic that Wagner has built himself upon, because he didn’t have the typical path to the NFL.
Wagner considered himself a basketball player until his sophomore year of high school when football coach Scott Otto offered him a deal. If he came out and played football, he could play wide receiver so he had a lower chance of injury, which Wagner was leery of with the basketball season approaching.
Wagner fell in love with football and ended up walking on as a tight end at Wisconsin, a school that churns out NFL-ready offensive linemen. The 6-foot-6, 310-pounder outgrew tight end, so he made the switch to left tackle and ended up starting 37 games and receiving first-team All-Big Ten honors as a senior. He protected Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson’s blind side.
Still, 11 offensive tackles were drafted ahead of Wagner in the 2013 draft. The Ravens plucked him off the board with the final pick of the fifth round (No. 168 overall).
“He played in a good football program in college, so obviously that talent is going to follow you,” left guard Kelechi Osemele said. “He came in here and has been nothing but business.”
After Wagner served as a backup in his rookie season, he was given his first crack at the starting job when Oher left in free agency. The Ravens weren’t exactly sure what they would get from Wagner, but they were hoping he could handle it.
Since the start of the summer, Wagner hasn’t missed a single snap at right tackle – either in practices or games. Coaches often don’t like to say they’re “surprised” by a player’s success because it implies they didn’t think they could do it at the start. But there’s no doubt Baltimore is pleased.
“When I came in here, you had a starting right tackle that hadn’t played much football, so I didn’t know much,” Offensive Coordinator Gary Kubiak said last week.
“But I think the biggest compliment I can pay to him is that you haven’t noticed much because he has just played very solid. He practices well; he’s committed to what he’s doing; he’s a very steady player – doesn’t make mistakes. He’s on his way to being a very fine pro.”
Wagner could even be in the discussion for the Pro Bowl, a far cry from what anybody expected heading into the season. Harbaugh said he had no idea whether Wagner was at that level, but that it would be great if he could accomplish it.
Wagner pointed to his improved pass protection as the biggest change this season, and attributed right guard Marshal Yanda with helping his run blocking. According to PFF, Wagner has given up just one sack and 13 quarterback hurries.
Wagner used to watch film of Oher last year to study his technique. “It was great backing him up last year. He’s a good vet,” he said.
But Wagner is outplaying his former mentor these days. While Oher is still reliable in the sense that he starts every game (hasn’t missed a start in six seasons), Oher ranks 71st out of 74 offensive tackles on PFF’s list and is the lowest-ranked right tackle.
Since leaving for Tennessee in free agency, Oher has taken notice of the man who has replaced him while watching film.
“Rick is doing a great job [and has] definitely grown a lot from last year,” Oher said. “He’s doing an excellent job.”
Here is also a direct comparison between the two. AV is the value attached to each player. I've got a lot more too.
You asked me why I liked him better. Here is just some of the stuff. The stats you gave me were stats for the whole line, but here are some of those too.
Career Highlights —
In 2015, started all 16 games at RT for an O-line that permitted the NFL’s third-fewest sacks (24) and helped produce a single-season franchise-record 4,271 net passing yards (eighth in the league) In 2014, Wagner started 15 games at RT for an O-line that allowed the NFL’s second-fewest sacks (19) and helped establish single-season franchise records in yards (5,838) and points (409)...Helped QB Joe Flacco establish career highs in passing yards (3,986) and TDs (27) Started at RT for an offense that gained 475 yards and racked up 6 TDs in the 48-17 victory at TB (10/12/14) Made his first-career start at RT, helping QB Joe Flacco set career highs in passing attempts (62, tied), completions (35) and long pass (80 yards) vs. Cin. (9/7/14)
Not really interested in changing your mind. If you think Massie is a better OT, that's fine. I respectfully disagree and would much rather have Wagner.
Actually Wagner struggles in the run game, and prior to last year struggled in passing as well. The Ravens were concerned his improvement in the pass game this year was an anomaly.
Ryan Mink BaltimoreRavens.com Staff Writer @ravens All Ryan Mink Articles
Rick Wagner has a chance to show how far he's come with Michael Oher and the Titans coming to town.
The first time Rick Wagner had to step in for Michael Oher, it was a disaster.
It was opening night last season in Denver when the rookie Wagner relieved the injured Oher. Linebacker Shaun Phillips beat Wagner for 2.5 sacks that night.
Oh how times have changed.
Now Wagner is Oher’s full-time replacement, and it's clear the Ravens made the right decision letting Oher walk and placing their faith in Wagner.
With Oher (and Phillips) coming to M&T Bank Stadium on Sunday as members of the Titans, Wagner has a chance to show just how far he’s come.
“I’m pretty happy with the way I’ve been playing,” Wagner said. “I think I’ve made a pretty smooth transition to my starting role.”
Analytical website Pro Football Focus (PFF), rates Wagner as the best right tackle in the league and fifth-best offensive tackle (right or left) in the NFL.He’s earned midseason All-Pro honors from PFF and CBS Sports. Wagner said the honors are a “confidence boost,” but he isn’t one to brag.
As Wagner spoke to reporters Wednesday, he nervously crossed his hands and swayed back and forth. He said he felt more comfortable in Pittsburgh last Sunday than at the mic.
Wagner hardly says a word to anyone. He’s had a handful of interview requests this season, and that’s a generous estimation. The Ravens right tackle’s play has hardly been noticed this year, which is often a positive for an offensive lineman.
“Probably the thing that jumps out at me is his consistency,” Head Coach John Harbaugh said. “Rick is very consistent. He executes the techniques exactly the way that the scheme calls for.”
While the rest of the Ravens offensive line was battered by the Steelers pass rush last Sunday, Wagner had his finest game of the season, per PFF.
On the flight back in the wee hours of Monday morning, some players slept. Some were just too drained from the tough loss. Wagner was on his iPad, studying film from the loss with Offensive Line Coach Juan Castillo hovering over his shoulder.
It’s that blue-collar work ethic that Wagner has built himself upon, because he didn’t have the typical path to the NFL.
Wagner considered himself a basketball player until his sophomore year of high school when football coach Scott Otto offered him a deal. If he came out and played football, he could play wide receiver so he had a lower chance of injury, which Wagner was leery of with the basketball season approaching.
Wagner fell in love with football and ended up walking on as a tight end at Wisconsin, a school that churns out NFL-ready offensive linemen. The 6-foot-6, 310-pounder outgrew tight end, so he made the switch to left tackle and ended up starting 37 games and receiving first-team All-Big Ten honors as a senior. He protected Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson’s blind side.
Still, 11 offensive tackles were drafted ahead of Wagner in the 2013 draft. The Ravens plucked him off the board with the final pick of the fifth round (No. 168 overall).
“He played in a good football program in college, so obviously that talent is going to follow you,” left guard Kelechi Osemele said. “He came in here and has been nothing but business.”
After Wagner served as a backup in his rookie season, he was given his first crack at the starting job when Oher left in free agency. The Ravens weren’t exactly sure what they would get from Wagner, but they were hoping he could handle it.
Since the start of the summer, Wagner hasn’t missed a single snap at right tackle – either in practices or games. Coaches often don’t like to say they’re “surprised” by a player’s success because it implies they didn’t think they could do it at the start. But there’s no doubt Baltimore is pleased.
“When I came in here, you had a starting right tackle that hadn’t played much football, so I didn’t know much,” Offensive Coordinator Gary Kubiak said last week.
“But I think the biggest compliment I can pay to him is that you haven’t noticed much because he has just played very solid. He practices well; he’s committed to what he’s doing; he’s a very steady player – doesn’t make mistakes. He’s on his way to being a very fine pro.”
Wagner could even be in the discussion for the Pro Bowl, a far cry from what anybody expected heading into the season. Harbaugh said he had no idea whether Wagner was at that level, but that it would be great if he could accomplish it.
Wagner pointed to his improved pass protection as the biggest change this season, and attributed right guard Marshal Yanda with helping his run blocking. According to PFF, Wagner has given up just one sack and 13 quarterback hurries.
Wagner used to watch film of Oher last year to study his technique. “It was great backing him up last year. He’s a good vet,” he said.
But Wagner is outplaying his former mentor these days. While Oher is still reliable in the sense that he starts every game (hasn’t missed a start in six seasons), Oher ranks 71st out of 74 offensive tackles on PFF’s list and is the lowest-ranked right tackle.
Since leaving for Tennessee in free agency, Oher has taken notice of the man who has replaced him while watching film.
“Rick is doing a great job [and has] definitely grown a lot from last year,” Oher said. “He’s doing an excellent job.”
Here is also a direct comparison between the two. AV is the value attached to each player. I've got a lot more too.
You asked me why I liked him better. Here is just some of the stuff. The stats you gave me were stats for the whole line, but here are some of those too.
Career Highlights —
In 2015, started all 16 games at RT for an O-line that permitted the NFL’s third-fewest sacks (24) and helped produce a single-season franchise-record 4,271 net passing yards (eighth in the league) In 2014, Wagner started 15 games at RT for an O-line that allowed the NFL’s second-fewest sacks (19) and helped establish single-season franchise records in yards (5,838) and points (409)...Helped QB Joe Flacco establish career highs in passing yards (3,986) and TDs (27) Started at RT for an offense that gained 475 yards and racked up 6 TDs in the 48-17 victory at TB (10/12/14) Made his first-career start at RT, helping QB Joe Flacco set career highs in passing attempts (62, tied), completions (35) and long pass (80 yards) vs. Cin. (9/7/14)
Not really interested in changing your mind. If you think Massie is a better OT, that's fine. I respectfully disagree and would much rather have Wagner.
I don't really care what PFF has to say, but if you want to use them...tell me what they thought of him after 2014? I think you'll find their analysis agrees with what I've said. If you click on the link I provided and scroll down it breaks it down to every part of the line...not just the whole line. Massie ranked higher than Wagner, and this was supposedly Wagner's best year. What I quoted to you about his play comes directly from people in Baltimore, I didn't just make it up. He's up and down as a pass blocker and not a very good run blocker.
Ryan Mink BaltimoreRavens.com Staff Writer @ravens All Ryan Mink Articles
Rick Wagner has a chance to show how far he's come with Michael Oher and the Titans coming to town.
The first time Rick Wagner had to step in for Michael Oher, it was a disaster.
It was opening night last season in Denver when the rookie Wagner relieved the injured Oher. Linebacker Shaun Phillips beat Wagner for 2.5 sacks that night.
Oh how times have changed.
Now Wagner is Oher’s full-time replacement, and it's clear the Ravens made the right decision letting Oher walk and placing their faith in Wagner.
With Oher (and Phillips) coming to M&T Bank Stadium on Sunday as members of the Titans, Wagner has a chance to show just how far he’s come.
“I’m pretty happy with the way I’ve been playing,” Wagner said. “I think I’ve made a pretty smooth transition to my starting role.”
Analytical website Pro Football Focus (PFF), rates Wagner as the best right tackle in the league and fifth-best offensive tackle (right or left) in the NFL.He’s earned midseason All-Pro honors from PFF and CBS Sports. Wagner said the honors are a “confidence boost,” but he isn’t one to brag.
As Wagner spoke to reporters Wednesday, he nervously crossed his hands and swayed back and forth. He said he felt more comfortable in Pittsburgh last Sunday than at the mic.
Wagner hardly says a word to anyone. He’s had a handful of interview requests this season, and that’s a generous estimation. The Ravens right tackle’s play has hardly been noticed this year, which is often a positive for an offensive lineman.
“Probably the thing that jumps out at me is his consistency,” Head Coach John Harbaugh said. “Rick is very consistent. He executes the techniques exactly the way that the scheme calls for.”
While the rest of the Ravens offensive line was battered by the Steelers pass rush last Sunday, Wagner had his finest game of the season, per PFF.
On the flight back in the wee hours of Monday morning, some players slept. Some were just too drained from the tough loss. Wagner was on his iPad, studying film from the loss with Offensive Line Coach Juan Castillo hovering over his shoulder.
It’s that blue-collar work ethic that Wagner has built himself upon, because he didn’t have the typical path to the NFL.
Wagner considered himself a basketball player until his sophomore year of high school when football coach Scott Otto offered him a deal. If he came out and played football, he could play wide receiver so he had a lower chance of injury, which Wagner was leery of with the basketball season approaching.
Wagner fell in love with football and ended up walking on as a tight end at Wisconsin, a school that churns out NFL-ready offensive linemen. The 6-foot-6, 310-pounder outgrew tight end, so he made the switch to left tackle and ended up starting 37 games and receiving first-team All-Big Ten honors as a senior. He protected Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson’s blind side.
Still, 11 offensive tackles were drafted ahead of Wagner in the 2013 draft. The Ravens plucked him off the board with the final pick of the fifth round (No. 168 overall).
“He played in a good football program in college, so obviously that talent is going to follow you,” left guard Kelechi Osemele said. “He came in here and has been nothing but business.”
After Wagner served as a backup in his rookie season, he was given his first crack at the starting job when Oher left in free agency. The Ravens weren’t exactly sure what they would get from Wagner, but they were hoping he could handle it.
Since the start of the summer, Wagner hasn’t missed a single snap at right tackle – either in practices or games. Coaches often don’t like to say they’re “surprised” by a player’s success because it implies they didn’t think they could do it at the start. But there’s no doubt Baltimore is pleased.
“When I came in here, you had a starting right tackle that hadn’t played much football, so I didn’t know much,” Offensive Coordinator Gary Kubiak said last week.
“But I think the biggest compliment I can pay to him is that you haven’t noticed much because he has just played very solid. He practices well; he’s committed to what he’s doing; he’s a very steady player – doesn’t make mistakes. He’s on his way to being a very fine pro.”
Wagner could even be in the discussion for the Pro Bowl, a far cry from what anybody expected heading into the season. Harbaugh said he had no idea whether Wagner was at that level, but that it would be great if he could accomplish it.
Wagner pointed to his improved pass protection as the biggest change this season, and attributed right guard Marshal Yanda with helping his run blocking. According to PFF, Wagner has given up just one sack and 13 quarterback hurries.
Wagner used to watch film of Oher last year to study his technique. “It was great backing him up last year. He’s a good vet,” he said.
But Wagner is outplaying his former mentor these days. While Oher is still reliable in the sense that he starts every game (hasn’t missed a start in six seasons), Oher ranks 71st out of 74 offensive tackles on PFF’s list and is the lowest-ranked right tackle.
Since leaving for Tennessee in free agency, Oher has taken notice of the man who has replaced him while watching film.
“Rick is doing a great job [and has] definitely grown a lot from last year,” Oher said. “He’s doing an excellent job.”
Here is also a direct comparison between the two. AV is the value attached to each player. I've got a lot more too.
You asked me why I liked him better. Here is just some of the stuff. The stats you gave me were stats for the whole line, but here are some of those too.
Career Highlights —
In 2015, started all 16 games at RT for an O-line that permitted the NFL’s third-fewest sacks (24) and helped produce a single-season franchise-record 4,271 net passing yards (eighth in the league) In 2014, Wagner started 15 games at RT for an O-line that allowed the NFL’s second-fewest sacks (19) and helped establish single-season franchise records in yards (5,838) and points (409)...Helped QB Joe Flacco establish career highs in passing yards (3,986) and TDs (27) Started at RT for an offense that gained 475 yards and racked up 6 TDs in the 48-17 victory at TB (10/12/14) Made his first-career start at RT, helping QB Joe Flacco set career highs in passing attempts (62, tied), completions (35) and long pass (80 yards) vs. Cin. (9/7/14)
Not really interested in changing your mind. If you think Massie is a better OT, that's fine. I respectfully disagree and would much rather have Wagner.
I don't really care what PFF has to say, but if you want to use them...tell me what they thought of him after 2014? I think you'll find their analysis agrees with what I've said. If you click on the link I provided and scroll down it breaks it down to every part of the line...not just the whole line. Massie ranked higher than Wagner, and this was supposedly Wagner's best year. What I quoted to you about his play comes directly from people in Baltimore, I didn't just make it up. He's up and down as a pass blocker and not a very good run blocker.
I don't really care what PFF has to say, but if you want to use them...tell me what they thought of him after 2014? I think you'll find their analysis agrees with what I've said. If you click on the link I provided and scroll down it breaks it down to every part of the line...not just the whole line. Massie ranked higher than Wagner, and this was supposedly Wagner's best year. What I quoted to you about his play comes directly from people in Baltimore, I didn't just make it up. He's up and down as a pass blocker and not a very good run blocker.
lol... R - E - L - A - X
So we agree to disagree. What's wrong with that?
Nothing really...my only real issue is you said he was a better run blocker than massie. Thats simply not true, so there is nothing to either agree or disagree about. We can agree or disagree on matters of opinion, i've got no issues with that.