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Post by riczaj01 on Jan 3, 2017 17:10:48 GMT -6

So someone online made me do some research, and while I have no love for advanced stats, I do like Football Outsiders more then most. And I very much like their OL grades over PFF.

www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Bears OL graded out 8th overall in both rush and pass protection. And that was w/missing Sitton for part of the year and Long for most of it, AND a rookie OC.

That is pretty damn amazing. And there is really no reason to think they won't be better next year if they can stay healthy and have Howard as the starter from day one, and a better then Cutler QB who gave up 17 sacks in 5 games compared to the 10 or so in the other 11 games.

This OL is turning into being pretty solid.

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Bears OL. Jan 3, 2017 17:57:31 GMT -6 riczaj01, weneedmorelinemen, and 1 more like this

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Jan 3, 2017 17:10:48 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

So someone online made me do some research, and while I have no love for advanced stats, I do like Football Outsiders more then most. And I very much like their OL grades over PFF.

www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Bears OL graded out 8th overall in both rush and pass protection. And that was w/missing Sitton for part of the year and Long for most of it, AND a rookie OC.

That is pretty damn amazing. And there is really no reason to think they won't be better next year if they can stay healthy and have Howard as the starter from day one, and a better then Cutler QB who gave up 17 sacks in 5 games compared to the 10 or so in the other 11 games.

This OL is turning into being pretty solid.

Dave Magazu is my hero. Hope he stays.

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shark86 All-Pro Suffering from Bears FHDD Posts: 3,963 Likes: 5,248	Bears OL. Jan 3, 2017 18:46:44 GMT -6 yttocs likes this Post by shark86 on Jan 3, 2017 18:46:44 GMT -6 I still think Leno and Massie can be upgraded. No, they're not as bad as I though they'd be, I'd just like to see better. Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
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Bears OL. Jan 3, 2017 19:32:44 GMT -6

Post by riczaj01 on Jan 3, 2017 19:32:44 GMT -6

Jan 3, 2017 18:46:44 GMT -6 shark86 said:

I still think Leno and Massie can be upgraded. No, they're not as bad as I though they'd be, I'd just like to see better.

Why? Team was 8th in pass and rush protection. How are you going to upgrade from top 10 when you were dealing w/injuries?

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Jan 3, 2017 17:57:31 GMT -6 JABF said:

Jan 3, 2017 17:10:48 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

So someone online made me do some research, and while I have no love for advanced stats, I do like Football Outsiders more then most. And I very much like their OL grades over PFF.

www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Bears OL graded out 8th overall in both rush and pass protection. And that was w/missing Sitton for part of the year and Long for most of it, AND a rookie OC.

That is pretty damn amazing. And there is really no reason to think they won't be better next year if they can stay healthy and have Howard as the starter from day one, and a better then Cutler QB who gave up 17 sacks in 5 games compared to the 10 or so in the other 11 games.

This OL is turning into being pretty solid.

Dave Magazu is my hero. Hope he stays.

Give props to assistant o-line coach Kevin Mawae as well. Nice to have a future hall of famer guiding the mostly young guys on the line.

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Bears OL. Jan 3, 2017 20:31:27 GMT -6 riczaj01, butkus3595, and 1 more like this

Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 20:31:27 GMT -6

With the continued improvement of Leno and finally watching Massie pull his head out of this ass and start blocking I think we can live with them as starters again provided we spend some money or draft pick on some depth there. Leno was only Bears OL to play every snap so we caught a break. Had he been lost I see no one who could have played LT nearly as well.

Inside we're golden once we get a 100% healthy and rehabbed Kyle Long back. Grasu should provide excellent backup to Whitehair and I thought Kush run blocked well when he played. Obviously we need to add more bodies looking to upgrade when and where we can but overall of that OL can remain healthy for the first time in a decade it won't be one of our biggest problems.

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Jan 3, 2017 20:31:27 GMT -6 @soulman said:

With the continued improvement of Leno and finally watching Massie pull his head out of this ass and start blocking I think we can live with them as starters again provided we spend some money or draft pick on some depth there. Leno was only Bears OL to play every snap so we caught a break. Had he been lost I see no one who could have played LT nearly as well.

Inside we're golden once we get a 100% healthy and rehabbed Kyle Long back. Grasu should provide excellent backup to Whitehair and I thought Kush run blocked well when he played. Obviously we need to add more bodies looking to upgrade when and where we can but overall of that OL can remain healthy for the first time in a decade it won't be one of our biggest problems.

The ankle injury/surgery for Long sounds worrisome. The shoulder surgery isn't supposed to be a big deal, but that ankle could be lingering trouble.

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Post by shark86 on Jan 3, 2017 21:27:18 GMT -6

Jan 3, 2017 19:32:44 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Jan 3, 2017 18:46:44 GMT -6 shark86 said:

I still think Leno and Massie can be upgraded. No, they're not as bad as I though they'd be, I'd just like to see better.

Why? Team was 8th in pass and rush protection. How are you going to upgrade from top 10 when you were dealing w/injuries?

the eye test. rankings are statistics and can be manipulated however you want them. I saw too many false starts, holds and they got beat too many times for my liking. I did say they weren't as bad as I thought they'd be, I would like to see better, but I can live with them as long as they don't get any worse.

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Bears OL. Jan 3, 2017 21:35:06 GMT -6

Post by riczaj01 on Jan 3, 2017 21:35:06 GMT -6

Jan 3, 2017 21:27:18 GMT -6 shark86 said:

Jan 3, 2017 19:32:44 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Why? Team was 8th in pass and rush protection. How are you going to upgrade from top 10 when you were dealing w/injuries?

the eye test. rankings are statistics and can be manipulated however you want them. I saw too many false starts, holds and they got beat too many times for my liking. I did say they weren't as bad as I thought they'd be, I would like to see better, but I can live with them as long as they don't get any worse.

Leno had 6 false starts in 16 games and 100+ snaps. Your eyes can lie also, watch brain games some time, an entire show about how the eye and mind trick us constantly.

Your first mistake was thinking they would be bad, there was no reason to think that. They are better then you thought b/c your eyes originally lied to you; and apparently still are. Leno and Massie played pretty damn well all season long. The Bears OL when Cutler wasn't under Center gave up a sack .12% per pass attempt, that ranked #1 in the NFL. Sure stats lie, but they don't lie that much. I didn't know this, but listening to 670 today, the left side was actually the more successful power rush this year, that's not normal for an OL, but it makes since considering that Long was out most of the year.

I'd like to see better also, luckily they are both fairly young and could well get better. But there isn't a huge step that needs to be made either, at that point you are talking pro bowl caliber; and that normally requires name recognition more then game play.

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