In fairness, Rodgers wasn't playing quite to that level earlier in the year. Every season he seems to be "just ok" at times early-to-mid season but then just goes on a tear when the chips are down the last 6 weeks or so.
He carries his team, which beyond him is nothing special, into the playoffs year after year. The Packers seem to repeatedly be 3-4 or something like that and then somehow end up 11-5 and division champs yet again.
Which just goes to show how stupid the comparison actually was. Given Rogers history and Hoyers history did anyone actually seriously think Hoyer would end up out playing Rogers? Again, anyone who made that claim or even believed it needs to seriously start trying to understand football.
You just coach em up...no matter who they are...Hoyer...guys on the street...you just coach em up and win lots and lots of games.
I doubt Cousins is going to reach FA but, if he does, hell yeah I'd sign him. He's coming into his prime (age 28) and has been ascending the last few seasons while Cutler has been stagnating or declining. Net of Cutler's cap savings, he'd be a bargain for a team with the cap space we have.
You can still draft a QB, just be a 4th-5th rounder instead of a 1st or 2nd. Remember the Redskins drafted him the same year thy gave up a boatload of picks to move up to #2 for RG3. Draft A guy who isn't near NFL ready and is going to need 2-3 years anyway. Shaw and the rookie can be the backups. We could have a solid starter and 2 young guys under development. Sounds good to me.
That is what i'm talking about. 4-5th is not good enough. Even if you sign him you still need to draft one by the 3rd round. You aren't normally going to get a guy like Dak or Brady in the 4 or later, you are far more likely to get a guy like fales, which you might as well not bother drafting at all.
Point I was trying to make is that you'd be under zero pressure to draft a QB to start right away. You'd already have your starter. A drafted QB would be purely for longer range development and backup.
That's what NE did with Garappolo/Brissett, what Dallas intended with Dak, and what Washington did originally with Cousins. The latter 2 were 4th round picks and none of these guys was drafted with "starting soon" in mind. They were all drafted to be backups/future prospects (to Brady, Romo, RG3).
All this discussion is just academic anyhow since there's no way Washington is letting him go.
With a black garbage bag full of his gear slung over his right shoulder, AJ McCarron looked – and sounded – like a man saying his goodbyes to the Cincinnati Bengals and Paul Brown Stadium on Monday afternoon.
He hugged a Bengals staffer “just in case” and admitted that he’ll be thinking about being traded by the club that drafted him in the fifth round out of the University of Alabama in 2014.
“Now, it’s nothing I can do,” the 26-year-old said. “I try not to worry about it. You’re always gonna think about it. I’d be lyin’; whoever told you that I wouldn’t, or if they were going through the same situation, you’re going to think about it. Because you want to play as a competitor. I’ll let my agent handle everything and go with whatever he says.”
But, he wouldn’t be too upset if he were to be dealt.
“No,” he said flatly. “I definitely wouldn’t be distraught at all. Like I told Marvin (Lewis) and all my coaches in my exit meetings, I appreciate everybody in this organization. I really do. From the bottom of my heart. They gave me a chance when a lot of people wouldn’t. They all treated me unbelievably and I really do care for every one of ‘em and respect all ‘em. This place will always have a special place in my heart just for what they’ve done for me. I really appreciated it.”
Coming out of Alabama, McCarron had to recover from a shoulder issue and did not play as a rookie. He proved in the preseason of 2015 that he could be Andy Dalton’s primary backup, and then went 2-1 as a starter down the stretch of the 2015 regular season when Dalton suffered a broken thumb.
In seven total games, McCarron went 79-for-119 for 854 yards and six touchdowns against two interceptions for a quarterback rating of 97.1.
In the Bengals’ 18-16 playoff loss to Pittsburgh, he was 23-for-41 for 212 yards for a 68.3 rating, but threw the go-ahead touchdown to A.J. Green late in the game.
What makes this offseason different in terms of trade speculation is that unlike last year, McCarron’s contract status will play a bigger role.
As a mid-round pick, he signed the standard four-year rookie deal – so he has one year left on his contract. Salary cap websites overthecap.com and spotrac.com report McCarron as being owed $735,413 next season before he becomes an unrestricted free agent.
Cousins is no better or worse then Cutler, that is just another wheel spinner which doesn't bring you closer to where you need to be.
I thought Cousins played pretty damn well this year, Ric, and that he was pretty good yesterday too. One of his INTs was because his receiver fell down and the other was a just a tough play (he had an open man but couldn't get enough on the ball being chased).
Cousins didnt really have much help yesterday IMO. The running game was AWOL and his pass pro sucked.
In years when Jay played on a winning team he looked better many times too. A few years ago when Washington was in the crapper Cousins had a record of 2-7 as starter and was a guy some thought would be let go.
I'm not saying no but what I will point out is that Cousins got nearly $20 mil for one year under his tag and he's been saying his asking price for a long term deal will be more than that on average so again we'd be committing to a huge contract for a guy with two decent years but he's not been a top shelf QB. He just expects to be paid like one.
I thought Cousins played pretty damn well this year, Ric, and that he was pretty good yesterday too. One of his INTs was because his receiver fell down and the other was a just a tough play (he had an open man but couldn't get enough on the ball being chased).
Cousins didnt really have much help yesterday IMO. The running game was AWOL and his pass pro sucked.
Maybe, but I don't know that he is the guy I want to start the rebuild around, and if you are signing him to a 4 year deal(and someone will) that means you are pushing down drafting your real future down the road another 2-3 years at least.
I will say this. I'd take him over trading for a guy like Jimmy G who is going to cost you picks(multiple) and a long term deal to boot.
Except you get Jimmy G a whole lot cheaper than Cousins who wants to be paid like a top 5 QB and he ain't one. That's worth a pick or two to me not to have another QB with over $50 mil in guaranteed $$$.
Again, in fairness, they don't grow on trees so it's not quite as simple as "just draft a good QB". Brady is the only other QB that's in Rodgers' league IMO. Even high quality starters like Roethlisberger, Ryan, Carr, Brees, and Eli aren't nearly as dominant as those two are.
Yesterday Rodgers won Green Bay the division practically by himself. He made amazing play after amazing play and totally out-smarted the Lions defense. The guy is far and away the best QB in the NFC.
I agree. But I'm not saying we have to draft a Hall of Fame guy like Rodgers or Brady, although that would be mighty sweet. Good QBs are getting drafted. I would sure like to see us get one. Teams that can't draft are pretty much screwed. We need to be able to draft well. And that includes drafting a QB. At least that is how i see it. I totally agree it isn't easy - but building a championship NFL team isn't easy.
And that is exactly why we have ended up screwed time and time again.
Which just goes to show how stupid the comparison actually was. Given Rogers history and Hoyers history did anyone actually seriously think Hoyer would end up out playing Rogers? Again, anyone who made that claim or even believed it needs to seriously start trying to understand football.
You just coach em up...no matter who they are...Hoyer...guys on the street...you just coach em up and win lots and lots of games.
Ha ha ha, and we've always done that so very well in the past.
Maybe, but I don't know that he is the guy I want to start the rebuild around, and if you are signing him to a 4 year deal(and someone will) that means you are pushing down drafting your real future down the road another 2-3 years at least.
I will say this. I'd take him over trading for a guy like Jimmy G who is going to cost you picks(multiple) and a long term deal to boot.
Except you get Jimmy G a whole lot cheaper than Cousins who wants to be paid like a top 5 QB and he ain't one. That's worth a pick or two to me not to have another QB with over $50 mil in guaranteed $$$.
Yeah, Soul, but if Jimmy G pans out (as we would all hope he would), then you're paying him big bucks a year from now. Same thing can be said for paying big bucks to a rookie draftee down the line.
That's the goal isn't it? To get a long-term starter on the roster worth paying. Pretty sure every QB worth his salt is GONNA GET PAID. I would consider that a victory. It isn't a contest to have a "cheap QB". It's to have one good enough to win with here for long-range stability.
Like I said above, this is probably just an academic discussion only anyway. I doubt very much Washington is going to let Cousins get away and I think the chances of us working out an acceptable trade for Garrapolo is pretty remote too.
Except you get Jimmy G a whole lot cheaper than Cousins who wants to be paid like a top 5 QB and he ain't one. That's worth a pick or two to me not to have another QB with over $50 mil in guaranteed $$$.
Yeah, Soul, but if Jimmy G pans out (as we would all hope he would), then you're paying him big bucks a year from now. Same thing can be said for paying big bucks to a rookie draftee down the line.
That's the goal isn't it? To get a long-term starter on the roster worth paying. Pretty sure every QB worth his salt is GONNA GET PAID. I would consider that a victory. It isn't a contest to have a "cheap QB". It's to have one good enough to win with here for long-range stability.
Like I said above, this is probably just an academic discussion only anyway. I doubt very much Washington is going to let Cousins get away and I think the chances of us working out an acceptable trade for Garrapolo is pretty remote too.
Sometimes we get confused and pay them first thinking that will make them worth paying.
Post by germansbombedph on Jan 3, 2017 1:28:23 GMT -6
I still don't see trading for a QB as being that expensiv. Why should the Browns trade for a QB if they really like one in the Draft? Same with the 49ers. It would end up with the Jets and Bears needing new QBs and higher picks.
I've read that Jimmy would cost us our 1st and we won't pay that. The Browns could offer their 2nd 1st round pick. I still don't see it. At what Point will Jimmy get interesting? I say offering a 2nd is not enough, but getting 2 2nds sounds about right.
Romo isn't worth much, I think a 4th Sounds about right.