We technically replaced him with a worse version which led to us having to sign Jason Peters off his fishing boat at the end of training camp. The original replacement was hurt and then couldn't even play right tackle, let alone left tackle....which is why he's playing guard right now. The replacement for the replacement was Elijah Wilkinson and then Peters. Talk about bad offensive line play!
But Peters was in fact better then both, even off retirement off his boat. Which goes to prove why you don't waste time w/mid lvl LT's. Go out and draft or pay top dollar to find or get elite LT play. Go out and try and get a Jason Peters in the draft or coming off his rookie deal, stop getting Webb/Leno/Jones level and just going, huh this will do for now while we address other areas. F that, the only areas that matter more then the LT is QB and DE, the Bears have a QB and DE, now go and get that LT, enough stalling or making excuses for accepting limited LT play.
Yes, Peters was better than the guy who's name nobody remembers and Jenkins who could not play left nor right tackle. Good thing they were able to sign the 40 year old off his boat and he didn't play like a 40 year old. Lastly, nobody here is suggesting to just throw our hands up and say "F it, this is good enough". Literally nobody.
But Peters was in fact better then both, even off retirement off his boat. Which goes to prove why you don't waste time w/mid lvl LT's. Go out and draft or pay top dollar to find or get elite LT play. Go out and try and get a Jason Peters in the draft or coming off his rookie deal, stop getting Webb/Leno/Jones level and just going, huh this will do for now while we address other areas. F that, the only areas that matter more then the LT is QB and DE, the Bears have a QB and DE, now go and get that LT, enough stalling or making excuses for accepting limited LT play.
Yes, Peters was better than the guy who's name nobody remembers and Jenkins who could not play left nor right tackle. Good thing they were able to sign the 40 year old off his boat and he didn't play like a 40 year old. Lastly, nobody here is suggesting to just throw our hands up and say "F it, this is good enough". Literally nobody.
On a side note, I was so surprised with how well Peters played that season. I was expecting an Orlando Pace type disaster, but he was fun to watch work. Not great at that age, but it was incredible how well he could still play (considering the guy was high mileage to the max). I remember him looking like a powerful dude too that year.
I am not as concerned about the ownership as some are. I genuinely believe they just want to build a winning team and don't know how to do it.
I believe they want to win, but as you said, they just don't know how to do it. I don't hate them... actually I like Virginia and think she's a classy lady. And a number of the people who failed here over the years, that they hired, I liked too. They just couldn't win.
In my line of work I see Second Generation ownership that has a small fraction of the talent that the First Generation owner had all the time.
First Generation put their blood, sweat and tears into the business. Second Generation grew up fat and happy as a result and didn't have to put the work in.
So when Second Generation takes over, they have no idea what to do. They either want the paychecks to keep rolling in or they want to cash out and live in the Bahamas.
With the McCaskeys, they've had ample opportunity over the years to get The Guy that would convince me they were serious about winning and they've never done it. I'm specifically referring to established front office or HC talent. Jim Harbaugh being the latest example of that.
The drop off in skills, from Papa Bear to the McCaskeys, is just astounding, but it is what it is.
That being said, the McCaskeys are willing to sign free agents over the past few years. When a star player has been available they've made their play whether it's Peppers, Mack, or the recent FA signings and extending our own players.
But Peters was in fact better then both, even off retirement off his boat. Which goes to prove why you don't waste time w/mid lvl LT's. Go out and draft or pay top dollar to find or get elite LT play. Go out and try and get a Jason Peters in the draft or coming off his rookie deal, stop getting Webb/Leno/Jones level and just going, huh this will do for now while we address other areas. F that, the only areas that matter more then the LT is QB and DE, the Bears have a QB and DE, now go and get that LT, enough stalling or making excuses for accepting limited LT play.
Yes, Peters was better than the guy who's name nobody remembers and Jenkins who could not play left nor right tackle. Good thing they were able to sign the 40 year old off his boat and he didn't play like a 40 year old. Lastly, nobody here is suggesting to just throw our hands up and say "F it, this is good enough". Literally nobody.
Literally EVERYONE saying Jones is good enough is. You would have thought after the Peters thing, the coaches and gm the owners would have realized what a LT is, and how important it is. Apparently not, hey lets find another Leno or Webb, that'll do.
You would have thought after the Peters thing, the coaches and gm the owners would have realized what a LT is, and how important it is. Apparently not, hey lets find another Leno or Webb, that'll do.
I don't claim to know what is best as far as what specific players need to be replaced. I have my own meatball ideas, but admit I'm just a fan...
... but personally, I would add that it disappoints me, how many fans seem to have this "good enough" is good enough attitude towards the offensive line unit. Then we wonder why the team is mediocre most years (worse in some years too). They fail to understand how the offensive line is what often sets the ceiling of the offense from the franchise QB to the WR's, the TE's and the run game too. And if the "good enough" offensive line is mediocre (or worse) then the offense will have a lowered ceiling. Players won't play to their full-potential. In the modern NFL a championship team needs a championship offense. Why on earth would you cripple your team with a "good enough" offensive line that is not good enough?
This makes zero sense to me. Don't settle for mediocre. Mediocre doesn't win championships.
And winning football in the modern age is all about R.O.I. - return on investment. There is no greater R.O.I. than investing in the OL. Think about it. That is the key to unlocking the full-potential of your franchise QB (especially a young rookie QB1) and the entire offense. Investing high-level resources in the OL has an R.O.I. that elevates the offense (critically important in the modern NFL) and can elevate the team from mediocrity to championship level. Mediocrity is NOT okay if you want to win in this league. It starts by building the best rock-solid foundation piece as a strength of the team - the offensive line. Meatball fans scratch their heads and wonder "why" the Bears can't win in the modern era. The team has had over 40 different starting quarterbacks who have not gotten it done here. Ever wonder "why" the team is mediocre or worse? A large reason why they don't win is that they put together a weak foundation - a "good enough" offensive line that is NOT good enough. SMH. JMO.
You would have thought after the Peters thing, the coaches and gm the owners would have realized what a LT is, and how important it is. Apparently not, hey lets find another Leno or Webb, that'll do.
I don't claim to know what is best as far as what specific players need to be replaced. I have my own meatball ideas, but admit I'm just a fan...
... but personally, I would add that it disappoints me, how many fans seem to have this "good enough" is good enough attitude towards the offensive line unit. Then we wonder why the team is mediocre most years (worse in some years too). They fail to understand how the offensive line is what often sets the ceiling of the offense from the franchise QB to the WR's, the TE's and the run game too. And if the "good enough" offensive line is mediocre (or worse) then the offense will have a lowered ceiling. Players won't play to their full-potential. In the modern NFL a championship team needs a championship offense. Why on earth would you cripple your team with a "good enough" offensive line that is not good enough?
This makes zero sense to me. Don't settle for mediocre. Mediocre doesn't win championships.
And winning football in the modern age is all about R.O.I. - return on investment. There is no greater R.O.I. than investing in the OL. Think about it. That is the key to unlocking the full-potential of your franchise QB (especially a young rookie QB1) and the entire offense. Investing high-level resources in the OL has an R.O.I. that elevates the offense (critically important in the modern NFL) and can elevate the team from mediocrity to championship level. Mediocrity is NOT okay if you want to win in this league. It starts by building the best rock-solid foundation piece as a strength of the team - the offensive line. Meatball fans scratch their heads and wonder "why" the Bears can't win in the modern era. The team has had over 40 different starting quarterbacks who have not gotten it done here. Ever wonder "why" the team is mediocre or worse? A large reason why they don't win is that they put together a weak foundation - a "good enough" offensive line that is NOT good enough. SMH. JMO.
First, we need to define “good enough.” Good enough to do what? — win a division or win a Super Bowl? If it’s “win Super Bowl”, then the next question is “Good enough to win Super Bowl in what timeframe?” If your Super Bowl ready timeframe is mine (2025), do you want a rookie draft pick playing LT, or do you leave Brax at LT and use first two draft picks on C and G? I think you and I both want to see how Brax performs the next 12 games. If he finishes the season with fewer sacks allowed than Wright and continues to have better PFF grade, I know how I’m voting and will continue the Ric debate on draft night.
Post by dachuckster on Oct 17, 2024 10:34:01 GMT -6
Just my $0.02 on what is good enough for the OL. Rather than get all granular as to what position in the draft is required, I am more interested in the level of performance of the OL as a unit. I want the franchise to be a consistent SB contender (meaning get into the playoffs > 75% of the time and into the divisional championship game around 50% of time time).
IMO that requires a top 10 OL. I don't care if they are all UDFAs. Obviously, that would be extremely unlikely. But I am not fixated on the specific rounds that an individual player is take, just their level of performance.
And by performance, I mean ranked on overall statistics (and not a PFF ranking). I'd be more comfortable with PFF if they were transparent on how the calculate their scoring. Until they do that, I will maintain it is done with a combination of voodoo and pixie dust.
I don't claim to know what is best as far as what specific players need to be replaced. I have my own meatball ideas, but admit I'm just a fan...
... but personally, I would add that it disappoints me, how many fans seem to have this "good enough" is good enough attitude towards the offensive line unit. Then we wonder why the team is mediocre most years (worse in some years too). They fail to understand how the offensive line is what often sets the ceiling of the offense from the franchise QB to the WR's, the TE's and the run game too. And if the "good enough" offensive line is mediocre (or worse) then the offense will have a lowered ceiling. Players won't play to their full-potential. In the modern NFL a championship team needs a championship offense. Why on earth would you cripple your team with a "good enough" offensive line that is not good enough?
This makes zero sense to me. Don't settle for mediocre. Mediocre doesn't win championships.
And winning football in the modern age is all about R.O.I. - return on investment. There is no greater R.O.I. than investing in the OL. Think about it. That is the key to unlocking the full-potential of your franchise QB (especially a young rookie QB1) and the entire offense. Investing high-level resources in the OL has an R.O.I. that elevates the offense (critically important in the modern NFL) and can elevate the team from mediocrity to championship level. Mediocrity is NOT okay if you want to win in this league. It starts by building the best rock-solid foundation piece as a strength of the team - the offensive line. Meatball fans scratch their heads and wonder "why" the Bears can't win in the modern era. The team has had over 40 different starting quarterbacks who have not gotten it done here. Ever wonder "why" the team is mediocre or worse? A large reason why they don't win is that they put together a weak foundation - a "good enough" offensive line that is NOT good enough. SMH. JMO.
First, we need to define “good enough.” Good enough to do what? — win a division or win a Super Bowl? If it’s “win Super Bowl”, then the next question is “Good enough to win Super Bowl in what timeframe?” If your Super Bowl ready timeframe is mine (2025), do you want a rookie draft pick playing LT, or do you leave Brax at LT and use first two draft picks on C and G? I think you and I both want to see how Brax performs the next 12 games. If he finishes the season with fewer sacks allowed than Wright and continues to have better PFF grade, I know how I’m voting and will continue the Ric debate on draft night.
Historically, the Bears seem to believe "good enough" is ~ a 7 to 9 win season. That's "good enough" for the McCaskey's to keep banking the money. Obviously for fans that is not good enough.
Just my $0.02 on what is good enough for the OL. Rather than get all granular as to what position in the draft is required, I am more interested in the level of performance of the OL as a unit. I want the franchise to be a consistent SB contender (meaning get into the playoffs > 75% of the time and into the divisional championship game around 50% of time time).
IMO that requires a top 10 OL. I don't care if they are all UDFAs. Obviously, that would be extremely unlikely. But I am not fixated on the specific rounds that an individual player is take, just their level of performance.
And by performance, I mean ranked on overall statistics (and not a PFF ranking). I'd be more comfortable with PFF if they were transparent on how the calculate their scoring. Until they do that, I will maintain it is done with a combination of voodoo and pixie dust.
I agree with that. It's not our jobs as fans to know how to best get offensive linemen that perform at a top-10 in the NFL level as a unit. I agree that draft position doesn't always equate to a great player. It's the old "Tom Brady was a 6th round pick" thing. But we know you have a better chance of getting a better player in the top few rounds of the draft. I figure the Bears need all the help they can get building that top-10 OL, so they'd best be aggressive going after the players needed. That includes both the draft resources and FA money. I have to believe that Poles will do this in 2025 and beyond... because there is zero reason to NOT get the OL fixed (truly fixed) for this team. They have the resources next year to put this problem to rest.
Just my $0.02 on what is good enough for the OL. Rather than get all granular as to what position in the draft is required, I am more interested in the level of performance of the OL as a unit. I want the franchise to be a consistent SB contender (meaning get into the playoffs > 75% of the time and into the divisional championship game around 50% of time time).
IMO that requires a top 10 OL. I don't care if they are all UDFAs. Obviously, that would be extremely unlikely. But I am not fixated on the specific rounds that an individual player is take, just their level of performance.
And by performance, I mean ranked on overall statistics (and not a PFF ranking). I'd be more comfortable with PFF if they were transparent on how the calculate their scoring. Until they do that, I will maintain it is done with a combination of voodoo and pixie dust.
Until they bring a rubber chicken into the mix, they will not have success